Posted on 10/23/2006 7:58:27 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
.., I interviewed Abu Bakar Bashir, the alleged spiritual leader of Jemaah Islamiyah (JI), al-Qa'eda's main ally in the region, and the group on which western attention is focused in the hunt for culprits.
... Scott Atran: "What are the conditions for Islam to be strong?"
Abu Bakar Bashir: "The infidel country must be visited and spied upon. If we don't come to them, they will persecute Islam. They will prevent non-Muslims converting."
Atran: "What can the West, especially the US, do to make the world more peaceful?"
Bashir: "They have to stop fighting Islam. That's impossible because it is sunnatullah [destiny, a law of nature], as Allah has said in the Koran. If they want to have peace, they have to accept to be governed by Islam."
Atran: "What if they persist?"
Bashir: "We'll keep fighting them and they'll lose. The batil [falsehood] will lose sooner or later. I sent a letter to Bush. I said that you'll lose and there is no point for you [to fight us]. This [concept] is found in the Koran." ...
Atran: "So this fight will never end?"
Bashir: "Never. This fight is compulsory. Muslims who don't hate America sin. What I mean by America is George Bush's regime. There is no iman [belief] if one doesn't hate America."
Atran: "How can the American regime and its policies change?"
Bashir: "We'll see. As long as there is no intention to fight us and Islam continues to grow there can be peace. This is the doctrine of Islam. Islam can't be ruled by others. Allah's law must stand above human law. There is no [example] of Islam and infidels, the right and the wrong, living together in peace."...
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I would note that after the 9/11 attack, one statement by UBL said that one the reason for the attack was that western culture interfered with the ability of Islam to propagate. In the context and tone of the statement, I took this for a dual complaint: 1) that western commerce, business, medicine and science was overwhelming Islamic nations and putting them to shame (After all, besides dried figs and oil what Islamic product does anyone buy?); and 2) that western media culture was attracting too many youth.
How many Arab men need Viagra, a drug invented in the US? How many youth want to watch MTV rather than listening to some imam drone on and on?
Yet, the west only can do so much to counter an opponent who is motivated by religious values by responding with things based on material values. Secular governments, especially ones that have embraced mulitculturalism, have given up their ability and power to make decisions based on religious values. They can only counter aggressive Islamists when they violate civil laws. Otherwise, they must welcome them and allow the Islamic Womb to conquer them.
If Europe does not wake up very soon, the European culture as has existed for 1000 years will be absorbed by a people who live in Europe but who are not European, who demand their European rights, but who snear at those rights in their private lives, and who enjoy European culture, but who will advance their own culture the instant they have sufficient control and power.
Time for the quarantine. Send them all home, do not let them leave their own countries. Treat them like the deadly disease they are.
Islam, The Alleged Religion of Peace®? Click this picture:
It is my opinion that we are already in WWIV ( WWIII being the Cold War )...and the barbarians are already inside our gates...Better look up your local mosque ...and at our neighbour's gates, as well:
Terror Strike Toronto ( Aborted! )-- Click the picture:
Oooohh -- sounds like it is time to cut-and-run for me. I will be right behind John Kerry, Nazi Pelosi, Kennedy, Clinton, Murtha, Durbin and the other brave American patriots who stink up what was once the Congress of the United States...
That's all anybody really needs to know to understand what has to be done.
When is the world going to wake up to these animals? Everybody and their dog is turning a blind eye to them, and not much is being done.
It seems quite clear. There is no possibility of co-existing with these people. There is no moderate throat-slitter.
The only answer is complete and total expulsion.
Islamofascists forget that we infidels have a fourth option: We kill them first.
This asswipe has just become target number 1 on many lists I reckon. What weird ass clowns do you think went to his birthday parties when he was a young jihadist? This cult of death must meet its own end. These people must die in massive numbers. We must slaughter them as efficiently as they kill each other.
Very true. My feelings are in my tagline.
"UBL said that one the reason for the attack was that western culture interfered with the ability of Islam to propagate."
More specifically, he has repeatedly complained about the West interfering with "the practice of jihad".
If these scum had the capability we do they would not hesitate to kill us. We have the capability to wipe out most of islam in 24 hours. We havent destroyed them because we do not see ourselves as inhumane. However, at some point we will realize that no matter what we do islam will not be apeased until the kill everyone opposed. Will that realization come soon enough to actually do something about it?
YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE.
I have known only 3 Muslims in my life. I worked with them about 20 years ago. The one thing that I remember the most was their unwillingness to be part of the workplace culture. They were hard workers, but kept totally to themselves to the point of not even liking to have a friendly conversation ocassionally.
Nope. 911 was our wake up call, and most have fallen back asleep.
True, and there is also no example of Muslims living together in peace.
These people are fu$#ing nuts.
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