Neanderthal man walks among us, Poland's far-right says

"Darwin's theory of evolution is all wrong, that humans lived alongside dinosaurs and that Neanderthal man is still among us."

Once again I was posting after reading only the title. Looks like a dino thing is mentioned. I'm surprised that It wasn't included in the title. After all "Neanderthal man is still among us" is nothing compared to that.

81 posted on 10/24/2006 4:07:34 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246

"Mr Giertych (the tall one) is a staunch patriot, a Catholic with strict views."

That's fantastic but what do you think about the main issue of this article ? Do you agree with papa G. that "humans lived alongside dinosaurs and that Neanderthal man is still among us" ?

83 posted on 10/24/2006 4:12:00 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246

To: ThisLittleLightofMine

It is also refreshing that more scientists are coming forward and finally being honest about the problem Darwinian evolution presents.

It's not, in any literal or figurative sense, "refreshing" to science if they do so without original research results, perspicuous and valid criticism, or a coherent and substantive alternative theory with prospect of being the basis for productive research. And unfortunately the current crop of evolution critics bring none of the above. Therefore their contributions -- being focused almost entirely on popular and political controversialism -- are the very opposite of "refreshing".

85 posted on 10/24/2006 4:43:46 PM PDT by Stultis

"Sorry, mtDNA does not match"

- the fox is guarding the henhouse again - I wouldn't trust a darwinist to give me facts about darwinism

- in Science vol. 277 July 11, 1997, pp. 176-178. The method used to extract the DNA (on Neanderthals) was the polymerase chain reaction, which on old and damaged DNA is highly error prone.

- I repeat "highly error prone" coyote, but this is no problem for you, since all proofs for darwinism are highly error prone.

86 posted on 10/24/2006 6:14:01 PM PDT by razzle

"Sorry, mtDNA does not match"

- the fox is guarding the henhouse again - I wouldn't trust a darwinist to give me facts about darwinism

- in Science vol. 277 July 11, 1997, pp. 176-178. The method used to extract the DNA (on Neanderthals) was the polymerase chain reaction, which on old and damaged DNA is highly error prone.

- I repeat "highly error prone" coyote, but this is no problem for you, since all proofs for darwinism are highly error prone.

Son, I am afraid you have missed some of the details in this process.

PCR, or polymerase chain reaction, earned its inventor a share of the Nobel Prize. Kary Mullis shared the Nobel Prize in Chemistry with Michael Smith in 1993 for this discovery. They don't give Nobel Prizes for junk science.

As Mullis has written in the Scientific American: "Beginning with a single molecule of the genetic material DNA, the PCR can generate 100 billion similar molecules in an afternoon. The reaction is easy to execute. It requires no more than a test tube, a few simple reagents, and a source of heat." Source.

You may not "trust a darwinist to give me facts about darwinism" but you are arguing against 99+% of the world's scientists. (Hint: don't bet the rent money.)

Do you really think the scientists who sequenced the Neanderthal mtDNA just took the first data that popped out? Don't you think they checked it a few dozen times?

Are you aware that DNA labs keep the sequences of their staff on file, so that they can detect contamination?

It really would make for a better argument if you knew what you were arguing about. This is pretty well established science. The details are all over the internet, just waiting for somebody to look and learn.

But I think you have decided that your religious belief supersedes scientific discovery, and you have no inclination to actually learn something. Quote mining is just as good and takes a lot less time.

Fine. But don't confuse your religious belief with scientific evidence.

By the way, you neglected to cite the source for your quote, above,

...in Science vol. 277 July 11, 1997, pp. 176-178. The method used to extract the DNA (on Neanderthals) was the polymerase chain reaction, which on old and damaged DNA is highly error prone

Its from a creationist website. As such, I would not trust it without confirming the quote against the original article. Creationists have a bad habit of quote mining, and sometimes changing the meaning of quotes by 180 degrees--if it will produce results that they can agree with.

This is dishonest, and its not science. Its apologetics.

87 posted on 10/24/2006 7:04:26 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)

The European "far-right" bears no resemblance to the American right. These people are ultra-nationalists, anti-Semites and racists, with decidedly fascist leanings. They don't believe in individual rights or small government or any of the values normally associated with the American right.

And you know that how? Oh, I see, from the ever credible MSM, that we all spit on every day here. (Or excuse me, are you a defender of the MSM?My sincere apologies, but the line you spout just concidentally mirrors the leftist propaganda lies of the American MSM.) Having a cake and eating it too?

88 posted on 10/24/2006 7:10:47 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)

To: Revolting cat!

And you know that how?

Oh... I don't know, maybe GROWING UP under successive European dictatorships? That might have colored my perspective, just a little bit.

or excuse me, are you a defender of the MSM?

You sir are delusional.

89 posted on 10/24/2006 7:33:26 PM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)

GROWING UP under successive European dictatorships?

Ah yes, those nasty right-wing dictatorships! Franco, Salazar, whatsisname. Sorry about that. No, really. Was it Greece, Portugal, Spain? Oh, never mind, your private business. Nationalism bad, Internationalism, good.

90 posted on 10/24/2006 7:42:09 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)

Standard (American) Creationism currently suggests that Neanderthals were people who obeyed the order to spread out after the Flood, and while fully human, were somewhat distinct from the rest of humanity that lives today (and whose ancestors were pressured to spread out after Babel).

91 posted on 10/24/2006 7:59:52 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( The r/l thing is Japanese, not pan-Asian, and, in any case, making a mockery of it is rude.)

Macroevolutionists tend to overlook that fact--that Neanderthal's cranium was bigger than modern humans.

92 posted on 10/24/2006 8:01:32 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( The r/l thing is Japanese, not pan-Asian, and, in any case, making a mockery of it is rude.)

Nope. Youd added it. Even Macroevolutionists acknowledge Neanderthals to be men (though not the same way as Creationists). All the homos (for scientific nomenclature) are men, which homo is in Latin.

93 posted on 10/24/2006 8:06:31 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( The r/l thing is Japanese, not pan-Asian, and, in any case, making a mockery of it is rude.)

Neanderthal fossil skulls have bigger brains than modern humans and could be dressed up to look like a corporate executive today

94 posted on 10/24/2006 8:08:47 PM PDT by bk1000 (A clear conscience is a sure sign of a poor memory)

He is so distraught over the Geico dis, that Caveman Numero Uno tells the waiter (with a disgruntled tone) 'I'm really not hungry...'

Cinematic magic...on the small screen.

95 posted on 10/24/2006 8:11:27 PM PDT by PennsylvaniaMom (Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you...)

Here's your Neanderthal girl.

96 posted on 10/24/2006 8:16:38 PM PDT by Centurion2000 ("Be polite and courteous, but have a plan to KILL everybody you meet.")

The Texas footprints aren't faked; they are, however, thought to not be from humans. Also, the accounts of great lizards from around the world (including places without many reptiles) is not something to simply dismiss offhand.

And don't try to pin down Creationism as being racist, it is clearly stated that all mankind are descended from one man (twice, Adam and more recently Noah), and that mankind is of one blood, and that there is neither Jew nor Greek, etc. In contrast, Macroevolution states that mankind has been separated for many thousands of years (according to them, homo sapiens--used to be homo sapiens sapiens) is some 200,000 years old?) during which evolution is still occuring, including evolution of the brain. It brings the rules of natural selection from the animal, plant, protist, fungi, and bacteria kingdoms (etc.) and tries to apply it to humans, too, even today, after the explicit term Social Darwinism is shunned.

97 posted on 10/24/2006 8:17:07 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( The r/l thing is Japanese, not pan-Asian, and, in any case, making a mockery of it is rude.)

To: Jedi Master Pikachu

98 posted on 10/24/2006 8:17:39 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( The r/l thing is Japanese, not pan-Asian, and, in any case, making a mockery of it is rude.)

To: js1138; DaveLoneRanger

That could be because he has made several attempts to explain it, but if you still won't read, then it's pointless, wouldn't you agree?

And you're supposed to ping people you mention, especially when it is criticism of them.

99 posted on 10/24/2006 8:19:41 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( The r/l thing is Japanese, not pan-Asian, and, in any case, making a mockery of it is rude.)

To: RadioAstronomer

Under ordinary circumstances, such citations should be from established scientific organizations, but--as you ALREADY KNOW--those organizations are hardly unbiased. Why would they acknowledge that support for their current religious explanation of origins is waning? Creationism is popping up all over the news, with polls of people who support Creationism in large numbers. If the average Joe is increasingly skeptical of Macroevolutionism, surely it is logical that an increasing amount of scientists would be, too?

100 posted on 10/24/2006 8:25:34 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( The r/l thing is Japanese, not pan-Asian, and, in any case, making a mockery of it is rude.)

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