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Vietnam-Like Defeat in Iraq Will Have Far Worse Consequences
RealClearPolitics ^ | October 26, 2006 | Mort Kondracke

Posted on 10/26/2006 10:09:33 AM PDT by neverdem

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To: BuffaloJack

This whole thing comes down to the general opinion of the American people and who controls their collective opinion.
Wu Cheng'en said in the mid 1500s, "If you think you can or can't, you are right."
If we think we will lose in Iraq then we will.
If we think it is winnable, it is.
I personally think it is winnable, but it may take as long or longer than the cold war did.


41 posted on 10/27/2006 4:13:34 AM PDT by BuffaloJack
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To: neverdem

"I think history shows that the United States and South Vietnam might have prevailed against the North but for the flagging will of the American people and opposition from the media and Congress."

Of course. April 1975 was a conventional big iron battle and one in which we (and the South Vietnamese) would have kicked General Giap's butt.... once again.


42 posted on 10/27/2006 4:21:10 AM PDT by angkor
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To: BuffaloJack

Win or lose... I get tired of hearing about winning the war...FYI..we won the war in Iraq in a couple of weeks...the war we are now involved in is worldwide... In terms of numbers of our soldiers...far more are killed in our inner cities by gang bangers each day than in Iraq.

Also....if we want to preserve our way of life here in America....we better win this war.


43 posted on 10/27/2006 4:27:04 AM PDT by RVN Airplane Driver ("To be born into freedom is an accident; to die in freedom is an obligation..POW input)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
And our future descendants are watching for its outcome....

My children are 5 and 12, if we should cut and run from Iraq they will pay a very high price....

I was thinking about what I would say to them when they asked about why we allowed it to happen, why they now are forced to return to face the enemy we ran from....

If the Dems should take November and than give Iraq to the Islamofacists......I will conclude that our generation has failed in its obligation to the next.

Make no mistake about it, we will not be able to avoid this conflict....we can only determine where it will be fought and to what degree the carnage will be....

We have limited choices now....if our generation fails to stand and fight...our children will have no choice...

It is becoming more apparent that our generation does not truly understand the magnitude of what is happening across the globe....From the Middle East, across Northern Africa, Asia, and Southern Europe Islamofacism is on the march.....and most do not even recognize this fact or care to understand.

Unfortunately, while our generation can be ignorant today, our children will not be so fortunate......for them the war will be upon our shores....for them it really will be a matter of survival...

The men and women, and their families, of our armed forces are carrying the burden for us today, so our children might a semblance of peace and prosperity tomorrow.....and I fear we as a nation are about to throw that all away.

No, I don't believe it is the Dem's or the MSM fault, they are only part of reason we have lost the will to stand....it is us as a nation, the citizenry, who will decide the direction we take....we will only have ourselves to blame.....and the obligation to explain to our children why we deferred to them the calling of our time....
44 posted on 10/27/2006 4:45:25 AM PDT by PigRigger (Donate to http://www.AdoptAPlatoon.org - The Troops have our front covered, let's guard their backs!)
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To: Welike ike
Terrorists around the World will celebrate in their Caves if the Democrats win on 11/7

But Democrats will lose on 11/7, and terrorists and their backers will be tearing their hair and rending their garments, because they'll know the giant is awake and their asses are in the crosshairs.

The U.S. conceding to the communist-slime war and and propaganda machine in the '70, with Democrats firmly in control of everything, was sadly conceivable and even predictable.

But concession to a bunch of poorly equipped, suicidal, dark-ages maniac thugs without elementary school educations, who barely know how to bathe, because we somehow "fear" them, is inconceivable.

Take heart; it's darkest before the dawn.

45 posted on 10/27/2006 5:03:26 AM PDT by hemogoblin
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To: PigRigger

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Thank you for your CLARITY, PigRigger.

And for your CARING Heart.

Congresman DANA ROHRBACHER, new father to tripletts, is now afraid that we may not have to wait so long for the consequences of our leaving a Free Iraq to Islamic chaos to reach our shores. He tearingly states that if we abandon Iraq, like we did Vietnam long ago,

...NO Moderate Islamists will side with US across the world in our War against Terror.

My Friend, the End may be near, of which I'm certain.


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46 posted on 10/27/2006 5:11:12 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com.)
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To: neverdem
What would we do if the demoncrats did their Vietnam sequence? Can the people of each state recall their representatives from the house and senate? Our only choice right now is to VOTE REPUBLICAN!
47 posted on 10/27/2006 6:19:04 AM PDT by Edgerunner (Democrats break...Republicans fix))
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To: Alberta's Child; Welike ike

>>I don't care what his rationale is. He hosted a freakin' fundraiser for her.

Hedging his bets, covering both sides of the fence.

He can't afford to get creamed by unfavorable rulings/legislation, no matter which side wins in 2008. He appears to be doing what a rational CEO looking out for his shareholders should be doing. It stinks, but that's what happens when events in the Imperial City on the Potomac can make or break you.


48 posted on 10/27/2006 7:58:13 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: ClearCase_guy
From the beginning, the Left has acted like Brer Rabbit "Oh! Goodness! I sure hope this doesn't turn into another Vietnam!" Meanwhile, they have consistently sabotaged the war efforts through the media and political efforts at home and abroad.

That left sabotage is what makes it like Vietnam. That and the hearts-and-minds nonsense that we are stuck with.

49 posted on 10/27/2006 2:39:10 PM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: wardaddy; Joe Brower; Cannoneer No. 4; Criminal Number 18F; Dan from Michigan; Eaker; Jeff Head; ...
I'm surprised moderate Morton can appreciate what defeat in Iraq portends.

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50 posted on 10/27/2006 11:25:45 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping!


51 posted on 10/27/2006 11:57:08 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: neverdem

"Bush and Rumsfeld will be blamed..." Mort says this and he's right. But Bush never behaved like LBJ, adjusting tactics to the latest public opinion polls. But once again, the American Mainstream Media and weasels in Congress will have undermined the will needed to prosecute the war on terror. And the fact that "Bush and Rumsfeld will be blamed" will be justification for those Dem "leaders" and the snivelling weasels in the media.

What Mort doesn't include in this piece is that it took Ronald Reagan's 8 years in the presidency to turn-around and re-assert the defense posture to win the Cold War. And that required huge budget deficits and some tough times in the economy (at least in the early years). I really wonder if America will be saved by some future visionary leader reasserting those core American values and determination. Makes me wonder.


52 posted on 10/28/2006 5:24:13 AM PDT by ReleaseTheHounds
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Thank you for your service to our country, my friend. I'm sure you were proud to have Senator Kennedy meet with you and put his arm around you... and now I'm sure it sickens you in the memory.

You're right: never forget... never forget.


53 posted on 10/28/2006 5:28:32 AM PDT by ReleaseTheHounds
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To: neverdem

Interesting thread, thanks.


54 posted on 10/28/2006 5:35:33 AM PDT by corlorde (New Hampshire)
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To: neverdem

The only thing Iraq has in common with Vietnam is that both wars were easily winnable, but the leftist press decided to jump over to the enemy side and undermine the war effort.

They look back on the Vietnam peace marches, and on Watergate, and see the greatest victories the leftist press has ever won against their country's government. Those were the glory days, when they brought down LBJ and Nixon and forced us to abandon our allies in Vietnam.

We look back, of course, and see something very different. Treason, a war lost that could have been won, and millions of innocent victims killed and oppressed in Southeast Asia because of the delusions of hippy leftists.

The left controlled all the media back then, with very few exceptions. Now they have some competition, and we have to fight back by spreading the truth they try to cover up.

Think of that movie, "The Killing Fields." The point is that the reporter is the good guy and Nixon is the bad guy. The people who made that movie were so delusional they didn't even realize that that reporter is the man who BETRAYED his Vietnamese assistant whom he pretends to love, and that he BETRAYED all the victims of Pol Pot who were slaughtered because of HIS OWN treason and lies, the lies of the people who made that movie and tried to justify themselves.


55 posted on 10/28/2006 8:19:52 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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56 posted on 10/28/2006 9:32:27 AM PDT by bitt ("And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.")
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To: Thrownatbirth
As I recall, it took an invasion of over 20 Soviet-equipped armored/infantry divisions to defeat South Vietnam.

And the breaking of the peace treaty. Don't forget that part.

57 posted on 10/28/2006 1:24:10 PM PDT by Prime Choice (True Conservatives don't vote for Liberals just because they have an 'R' by their name.)
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To: bitt
If GWB means to win this war, then I suggest he start committing to plans and resources that will bring about a decisive victory. Right now the coddling of the violent imams like Moqtada al-Sadr and the like are only emboldening the foreigners who pour across Iraq's borders to kill our troops.

And with Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki showing no compunction about sitting on his thumb while his nation's own capital is under curfew only shows that we're trusting the wrong people to do the right thing.

58 posted on 10/28/2006 1:26:48 PM PDT by Prime Choice (True Conservatives don't vote for Liberals just because they have an 'R' by their name.)
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To: bitt

Thanks for the ping!


59 posted on 10/28/2006 10:59:21 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: bitt

That is beautiful!
Thank you for posting it.

Mort is totally wrong about the fence.
But, on this, he is absolutely correct.


60 posted on 10/28/2006 11:02:52 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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