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A Tragedy: How Toll Roads Are "Dividing" Texas (A Solution Inside)
South Texas Republicans ^ | October 30th, 2006 | Joe Solis

Posted on 10/31/2006 3:47:48 PM PST by SwinneySwitch

Commentary - I continue to be astonished by the strength of the Toll party movement. Over a year ago, we were privately admonished by local leaders in San Antonio for publishing the work of Terri Hall and the San Antonio Toll Party. We felt they had something to say.

The Toll Party “Tipping Point” occurred when State Representative Carter Casteel was defeated at the hands of anti-toll candidate Nathan Macias. That is when everything changed. Think about that: An established state representative is taken out by anti-toll activists who knocked on thousands of doors spreading their message.

The Trans Texas Corridor issue has evolved. It is really about power in politics. I believe Texans are troubled about how these major decisions are made in Austin. Both conservatives in the cities and rural Texans are beyond livid about this issue. That is important.

I get the impression conservatives have come to the stark realization that ordinary Texans are essentially powerless when they are against massive corporations including Zachry, based in San Antonio, and Cintra located in Spain.

It is the classic story of the powerful versus the people.

They have lobbyists that you will never have. That’s the reality.

It is about globalization and the wealthy interests behind them. Based on what I have seen and heard, people are also furious about our own government taking the land of our Texan children and grandchildren and shipping the quasi deeds back to the old Spanish Empire.

Yes, it is personal and it is real.

Billions of dollars are at stake. I am talking about your money.

It is sad that Texans are fighting Texans over this issue.

Our leaders in Austin have put us in that position.

I have a solution.

Hold a referendum election on the T.T.C. in January 2007.

Trust the people.

Let Texans vote on this specific issue.

I know this is wishful thinking. Why?

Your voice means nothing to many of our elites in Austin.

That my friends is the real tragedy of this issue.

Vote your values this year.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: elections; kookmagnetthread; tollroads; totalbs; transtinfoilcorridor; ttc
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“No one could make a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could only do a little.” ~ Edmund Burke (1729-1797)
1 posted on 10/31/2006 3:47:49 PM PST by SwinneySwitch
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To: 2dogjoe; radar101; RamingtonStall; engrpat; HamiltonFan; Draco; TexasCajun; razorback-bert; ...

Texas Toll Party Ping!


2 posted on 10/31/2006 4:01:11 PM PST by SwinneySwitch (Taxes-beyond your expectations!)
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To: SwinneySwitch

If Solis doesn't like the TTC, he needs to come up with an alternative. Let the Texas voter decide between the TTC and Solis'(or Grandma's) alternative.


3 posted on 10/31/2006 4:09:08 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: SwinneySwitch
"I have a solution. Hold a referendum election on the T.T.C. in January 2007."

Great idea, but I can't see that happening, as it would set a precedent of moving power away from the elites.

It's not just the taking of land, it's the essential lockdown of our freeway system that will wind up being Governor Perry's final legacy here. Decades from now there will be millions of Texas wondering, as they're paying huge amounts of money to basically travel anywhere "why the hell did he EVER agree to those terms". (those terms being monopoly-type protections, with virtually unlimited tolling ability for the companies involved)

No different than today's politicians in San Diego trying to understand why their predecessors agreed to such expensive pension plans - except that San Diego can get out of those obligations by simply going bankrupt. Texas doesn't have that option.
4 posted on 10/31/2006 4:09:29 PM PST by BobL (http://www.brusselsjournal.com/blog/4556 (here is where the real Europe is going))
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Decades from now there will be millions of Texas wondering, as they're paying huge amounts of money to basically travel anywhere "why the hell did he EVER agree to those terms". (those terms being monopoly-type protections, with virtually unlimited tolling ability for the companies involved)

Fifty years after completion the roads will revert to state ownership.

Pro TTC

This is a pro Trans-Texas Corridor ping list.

Please let me know by Freepmail if you want on or off the list.


5 posted on 10/31/2006 4:14:45 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: Ben Ficklin
If Solis doesn't like the TTC, he needs to come up with an alternative.

Easy. Build freeways like there's no tomorrow. If Arizona can do it, Texas can. I've been here in AZ for 10 years, and they've added miles and miles and miles of freeways, and doing it sometimes through existing neighborhoods when necessary by tearing down houses that were only a few years old.

How'd we pay for it? Easy. From the new taxes on people who move in here. And we're not illegal aliens either. An article in the local rag the other day said that the hottest housing market in Phx is in the $3 million and up range. And the rest of the housing market is "normal", despite a downturn in other places.

6 posted on 10/31/2006 4:19:25 PM PST by narby
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To: Paleo Conservative

"Fifty years after completion the roads will revert to state ownership."

I won't be around, but I'll be stuck having to explain to my kids and grandkids why a Republican governor sold out the state that I love(d) before then.


7 posted on 10/31/2006 4:20:48 PM PST by BobL (http://www.brusselsjournal.com/blog/4556 (here is where the real Europe is going))
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To: narby
"Easy. Build freeways like there's no tomorrow."

That's too creative for our wonder-child governor here, along with his sycophants.
8 posted on 10/31/2006 4:22:57 PM PST by BobL (http://www.brusselsjournal.com/blog/4556 (here is where the real Europe is going))
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To: SwinneySwitch
Here's the relevant section of the Texas State Constitution, as amended by popular vote in 2001 or 2002 (I believe), that created the Texas Mobility Fund--which itself authorizes the construction of toll roads.
9 posted on 10/31/2006 4:27:35 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: BobL
I won't be around, but I'll be stuck having to explain to my kids and grandkids why a Republican governor sold out the state that I love(d) before then.

People will be asking how Texas replaced California as the most dynamic and populous state in the union.

10 posted on 10/31/2006 4:32:39 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: narby

Apples and oranges.


11 posted on 10/31/2006 4:32:41 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: BobL

If that is such a good idea, why hasn't Grandma, Bell, Kooky, Solis, Texas Toll Party, and/or anyone else put together some budegetary numbers to compare the two options.


12 posted on 10/31/2006 4:36:00 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: BobL
I won't be around, but I'll be stuck having to explain to my kids and grandkids why a Republican governor sold out the state that I love(d) before then.

I can't quite figure out what the opposition is saying. No more roads in Texas?

Perhaps, no more new roads that they won't have to pay for?

Or just no new roads that go to evil Canada and Mexico?

13 posted on 10/31/2006 4:40:31 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Paleo Conservative
Fifty years after completion the roads will revert to state ownership.

Sure and after the Golden Gate Bridge is paid for the toll will be discontinued......Oh never mind.

14 posted on 10/31/2006 4:42:35 PM PST by itsahoot (If the GOP does not do something about immigration, immigration will do something about the GOP)
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To: Ben Ficklin
"If that is such a good idea, why hasn't Grandma, Bell, Kooky, Solis, Texas Toll Party, and/or anyone else put together some budegetary numbers to compare the two options."

Because they all run scared of people like you guys. You expect some Don Juan from Spain to come here and build us a highway system for FREE. The details (like monopoly protection) don't matter - you're under his spell.

I kept my kids out of public schools so that they wouldn't have to continually be experimented on (whole language, fuzzy math, etc.). It looks like this governor is going to run one hell of an experiment on Texas - and his plan is SOOO perfect that he hasn't even seen a need to adjust it (other than to stop attempting to put toll booth on existing freeways - at least through his re-election).

We'll see how this plays out...
15 posted on 10/31/2006 4:43:16 PM PST by BobL (http://www.brusselsjournal.com/blog/4556 (here is where the real Europe is going))
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To: Dog Gone

Real Clear. The opposition doesn't appreciate being experimented on. Specifically, increase the gas tax a dime or two and end the diversion of highway money to the schools. Or at least give Texans a chance to decide between the two - rather than shoving it down our throats.

That would be a start.


16 posted on 10/31/2006 4:45:23 PM PST by BobL (http://www.brusselsjournal.com/blog/4556 (here is where the real Europe is going))
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To: BobL

The fact is, no one has proposed an alternative. And you know why.


17 posted on 10/31/2006 4:45:36 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: itsahoot
Sure and after the Golden Gate Bridge is paid for the toll will be discontinued......

Hey!!! Whaddya complaining about!?!? They only make you pay a toll one way! :-)

18 posted on 10/31/2006 4:51:02 PM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: itsahoot

Is there some sort of magic road somewhere that no longer requires maintenance after 50 years?


19 posted on 10/31/2006 4:53:11 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: BobL

No, how about having the people who actually use the road pay for it? It's actually a conservative idea. It's the exact opposite of shoving it down your throat.

If I don't choose to use the TTC, I won't have to pay 20 cents a gallon more for those of you who do.

Try to think like a non-socialist.


20 posted on 10/31/2006 4:53:44 PM PST by Dog Gone
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