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Shocker: New York Times Confirms Iraqi Nuclear Weapons Program
NRO ^ | Jim Geraghty

Posted on 11/02/2006 8:09:04 PM PST by hipaatwo

When I saw the headline on Drudge earlier tonight, that the New York Times had a big story coming out tomorrow that had something to do with Iraq and WMDs, I was ready for an October November Surprise.

Well, Drudge is giving us the scoop. And if it's meant to be a slam-Bush story, I think the Times team may have overthunk this:

U.S. POSTING OF IRAQ NUKE DOCS ON WEB COULD HAVE HELPED IRAN...

NYT REPORTING FRIDAY, SOURCES SAY: Federal government set up Web site —
Operation Iraqi Freedom Document Portal — to make public a vast archive of Iraqi documents captured during the war; detailed accounts of Iraq's secret nuclear research; a 'basic guide to building an atom bomb'... Officials of the International Atomic Energy Agency fear the information could help Iran develop nuclear arms... contain charts, diagrams, equations and lengthy narratives about bomb building that the nuclear experts say go beyond what is available elsewhere on the Internet and in other public forums...

Website now shut... Developing...

I'm sorry, did the New York Times just put on the front page that IRAQ HAD A NUCLEAR WEAPONS PROGRAM AND WAS PLOTTING TO BUILD AN ATOMIC BOMB?

What? Wait a minute. The entire mantra of the war critics has been  "no WMDs, no WMDs, no threat, no threat", for the past three years solid. Now we're being told that the Bush administration erred by making public information that could help any nation build an atomic bomb.

Let's go back and clarify: IRAQ HAD NUCLEAR WEAPONS PLANS SO ADVANCED AND DETAILED THAT ANY COUNTRY COULD HAVE USED THEM.

I think the Times editors are counting on this being spun as a "Boy, did Bush screw up" meme; the problem is, to do it, they have to knock down the "there was no threat in Iraq" meme, once and for all. Because obviously, Saddam could have sold this information to anybody, any other state, or any well-funded terrorist group that had publicly pledged to kill millions of Americans and had expressed interest in nuclear arms. You know, like, oh... al-Qaeda.

The New York Times just tore the heart out of the antiwar argument, and they are apparently completely oblivous to it.

The antiwar crowd is going to have to argue that the information somehow wasn't dangerous in the hands of Saddam Hussein, but was dangerous posted on the Internet. It doesn't work. It can't be both no threat to America and yet also somehow a threat to America once it's in the hands of Iran. Game, set, and match.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2001bushvindicated; 2001documents; bushlied; bushsfault; bushwasright; fmsodocuments; iraq; jveritas; magnificentbastard; nuclearweapons; nyt; oops; owngoal; postwardocs; prewardocs; pullgrenadethrowpin; rymb; saddamatomicbomb; saddamdocs; saddamnuke; waronterror; wmd; wot
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1 posted on 11/02/2006 8:09:07 PM PST by hipaatwo
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To: jveritas

Ping!


2 posted on 11/02/2006 8:10:07 PM PST by lesser_satan (EKTHELTHIOR!!!)
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To: hipaatwo

November *YAWN*


3 posted on 11/02/2006 8:10:14 PM PST by SteveMcKing
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To: Mo1; Howlin; Peach; Txsleuth; SE Mom

LALALALALA!


4 posted on 11/02/2006 8:10:52 PM PST by hipaatwo (Vote for your life. Every vote for a Democrat is a vote against victory.)
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To: hipaatwo

BUSH LIED PEOPLE DIED!

Oh wait...Hussein was building a nuke???

...

...

nevermind.


5 posted on 11/02/2006 8:11:02 PM PST by PowerPro (OBSESSION: THE NEW DOCUMENTARY ABOUT RADICAL ISLAM VS. THE WEST ... http://www.obsessionthemovie.com)
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To: hipaatwo
I see...so they will try and find a way to bash-Bush over the Iraqi weapons program that didn't exist yet is aiding the Iranians?
6 posted on 11/02/2006 8:11:29 PM PST by God luvs America (When the silent majority speaks the earth trembles!)
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To: SteveMcKing

"Kerry, Keller and Rather in Love Tryst!"


7 posted on 11/02/2006 8:12:14 PM PST by samadams2000 (Somebody important make....THE CALL!)
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To: hipaatwo
BUSH WAS RIGHT!!
8 posted on 11/02/2006 8:12:17 PM PST by Mo1 (Senator Kerry's response to the military ~ Let me make this is crystal clear, I apologize to no one)
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To: hipaatwo
Aluminum Tubes!!!!!
9 posted on 11/02/2006 8:12:38 PM PST by msnimje (You simply cannot be Christian and Pro-Abortion.)
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To: hipaatwo

The way I read this is, "the incompetent Bush Administration" put documents on the internet telling people how to make a nuclear bomb. I think that's the point the slimes is trying to make. I don't think this is a good thing.


10 posted on 11/02/2006 8:13:11 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (This just in! Islamofascists say they will not "change direction" after U.S. elections.)
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To: hipaatwo

NYTimes = insurgents blowing themselves up with their own IED.


11 posted on 11/02/2006 8:13:11 PM PST by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: hipaatwo

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ...

He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ...

So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ..."

Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003


12 posted on 11/02/2006 8:13:37 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: SteveMcKing
November *YAWN*

You can say that again...

13 posted on 11/02/2006 8:13:42 PM PST by Doofer
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To: hipaatwo

Just like the mustard and nerve gas he had, the Left will say this was okay; they'll say we all knew this; they'll say it's just old news that Saddam had these things. They'll ignore the fact that he wasn't to have them anymore.


14 posted on 11/02/2006 8:13:54 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Global Warming Fears will do for the world what over population fears did for Europe.)
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To: hipaatwo

Depends on whether it was documents that dated from the pre-GWI program or not, really.


15 posted on 11/02/2006 8:14:00 PM PST by Strategerist (Those who know what's best for us must rise and save us from ourselves)
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To: hipaatwo
not the dreaded WMD?

Say it ain't so !

16 posted on 11/02/2006 8:14:07 PM PST by llevrok (How can you plant the seed of freedom by pulling out early?)
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To: Mo1

Tony's press conference is going to be good tomorrow.


17 posted on 11/02/2006 8:14:23 PM PST by hipaatwo (Vote for your life. Every vote for a Democrat is a vote against victory.)
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To: PowerPro

I'm wondering about NYT's secret agenda in admitting some facts in their "news."


18 posted on 11/02/2006 8:14:58 PM PST by bannie
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To: Mo1

BUSH WAS RIGHT!!


19 posted on 11/02/2006 8:15:27 PM PST by penelopesire
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To: hipaatwo

Connecting the dots is never a strong suit for the libs. They're salivating so heavily over a possible gotcha that the drool obscured the underlying facts - facts that undermine the entire "Bush lied" nonsense.


20 posted on 11/02/2006 8:16:05 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Prayers for our patriot brother, 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub. Brian, we're all pulling for you!)
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To: Strategerist

And of course the article is out, and it is indeed documents from the pre-1991 Iraqi program.


21 posted on 11/02/2006 8:16:31 PM PST by Strategerist (Those who know what's best for us must rise and save us from ourselves)
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To: hipaatwo

Their heads are going to spin clear off tomorrow.


22 posted on 11/02/2006 8:16:52 PM PST by A Citizen Reporter (Sign at World Series in St. Louis, October 27, 2006 "The Experts are Idiots")
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To: hipaatwo

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." - Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed." -- Madeline Albright, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten time since 1983." - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb 18, 1998


23 posted on 11/02/2006 8:17:09 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Of course NYTimes wants to make it a bad thing, but in fact it proves that Saddam was a threat.

If he had detailed plans which could build a bomb in a year, he could sell them or give them to terrorists, or build his own bomb as soon as sanctions are lifted.

The administration probably shouldn't have been so open, although the democrats are on record calling for everything to be declassified.

But in order for the NYTimes to claim the Bush administration put us at risk, they have to acknowledge that Saddam had knowledge that put us at risk.

If we don't let them, we can win the spin on this story.


24 posted on 11/02/2006 8:17:15 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: bannie

Well they think this will humiliate Bush. The newest bit from Drudge is "NYT: U.S. POSTING OF IRAQ NUKE DOCS ON WEB COULD HAVE HELPED IRAN..."

But see ... the problem with the NYT thinking (beyond the obvious fact that they're traitors) is that it kinda, you know, proves that Bush was RIGHT.


25 posted on 11/02/2006 8:17:40 PM PST by PowerPro (OBSESSION: THE NEW DOCUMENTARY ABOUT RADICAL ISLAM VS. THE WEST ... http://www.obsessionthemovie.com)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
The way I read this is, "the incompetent Bush Administration" put documents on the internet telling people how to make a nuclear bomb. I think that's the point the slimes is trying to make. I don't think this is a good thing.

Bush did a good thing by heading into Iraq.

Someone else did a bad thing by posting the documents.

26 posted on 11/02/2006 8:17:44 PM PST by syriacus (MJ Fox tells the US, "Show me you love ME, baby, by giving up YOUR life for ME.")
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To: hipaatwo

The NYSlimes is really calling the kettle black here. They've disclosed three or four of our national security programs, and now they're whining because of something published by the administration? That's rich. And, besides, I'm sure Iran didn't need to read those documents in order to make a nuke - not only could they look up "how to build a nuclear bomb" on the internet, but Russia and/or Germany have probably given them a hand, as well. The NYSlimes is losing it, but their last five readers will probably suck it right up and BLAME BUSH.


27 posted on 11/02/2006 8:17:52 PM PST by hsalaw
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To: hipaatwo

Oh, If the Slimes say so it must be now the truth!


28 posted on 11/02/2006 8:18:13 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Hello,


Think. Where is the NYT saying the nuke info came from? The same place that the NYT said didn't have nuke info.

Unreal. I wasn't expecting this....

Glad to be here, MOgirl
29 posted on 11/02/2006 8:18:16 PM PST by MOgirl (The Great Pumpkin did arrive....and he brought a PRESENT!!)
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To: Austin Willard Wright

30 posted on 11/02/2006 8:18:29 PM PST by Petronski (CNN is an insidiously treasonous, enemy propaganda organ.)
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To: Strategerist

when did Pakistan detonate their nuke?


31 posted on 11/02/2006 8:18:45 PM PST by oceanview
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To: bannie
I'm wondering about NYT's secret agenda in admitting some facts in their "news."

Maybe they figure they better come on over to the winning side now!!!

32 posted on 11/02/2006 8:19:06 PM PST by pollywog (Psalm 44:5 "Put your HOPE in God, for I will yet praise Him, my Savior and my God.")
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To: PowerPro

What's the problem? Bush didn't post the documents.


33 posted on 11/02/2006 8:19:13 PM PST by syriacus (MJ Fox tells the US, "Show me you love ME, baby, by giving up YOUR life for ME.")
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To: Mo1

*RUUUUUUUMMMMBBLLE*

Bush's

F A U L T !!!


34 posted on 11/02/2006 8:20:39 PM PST by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: hsalaw
I'm sure Iran didn't need to read those documents in order to make a nuke -

I agree.

35 posted on 11/02/2006 8:20:40 PM PST by syriacus (MJ Fox tells the US, "Show me you love ME, baby, by giving up YOUR life for ME.")
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To: Strategerist

Among the dozens of documents in English were Iraqi reports written in the 1990’s and in 2002 for United Nations inspectors in charge of making sure Iraq abandoned its unconventional arms programs after the Persian Gulf war. Experts say that at the time, Mr. Hussein’s scientists were on the verge of building an atom bomb, as little as a year away.

The New York Times is confirming that in 2002, Iraq was one year away from building an atomic bomb. Had the United States not eliminated this threat, today we would be facing a nuclear armed Iraq and possibly a nuclear armed Iran.

http://polipundit.com/index.php?p=15780


36 posted on 11/02/2006 8:21:08 PM PST by hipaatwo (Vote for your life. Every vote for a Democrat is a vote against victory.)
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To: hipaatwo
I just got a headsup that moveamericaforward.org will have a major announcement on their website Saturday. Wonder if it has something to do with this.

"This is to notify you that on Saturday, November 4, 2006 Move America Forward will be making a major announcement that you will want to know about - we will have complete details posted to our website at http://www.MoveAmericaForward.org

"We will be making this announcement online and to the media at 10:00 AM Eastern // 7:00 AM Pacific. The major news event we will be unveiling pertains to America's foreign policy, and because of security concerns we cannot divulge the facts involved before Saturday morning.

"We will need your help in getting this major news story told throughout the nation, so please be sure to check in Saturday morning at the Move America Forward dot org website."

37 posted on 11/02/2006 8:21:16 PM PST by Aliska
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To: syriacus
What's the problem? Bush didn't post the documents.

You're being too logical. This is politics. From their twisted perspective, the "Bush administration" is solely at fault.

But again, all it really proves is that Saddam really was a threat, with threatening material that he could give to any of our enemies.

I see this helping the Republicans no end by emphasizing that, you know, BUSH WAS RIGHT.

38 posted on 11/02/2006 8:21:18 PM PST by PowerPro (OBSESSION: THE NEW DOCUMENTARY ABOUT RADICAL ISLAM VS. THE WEST ... http://www.obsessionthemovie.com)
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To: pollywog

I'm not turning my back on 'em!


39 posted on 11/02/2006 8:21:40 PM PST by bannie
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To: Petronski
I was gonna do it..
but ya beat me to it.

Oh what the hell..

R-O-V-E..you magnificent bastard!

40 posted on 11/02/2006 8:22:03 PM PST by evad
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To: hipaatwo
But in recent weeks, the site has posted some documents that weapons experts say are a danger themselves: detailed accounts of Iraq’s secret nuclear research before the 1991 Persian Gulf war. The documents, the experts say, constitute a basic guide to building an atom bomb.

doesn't count
41 posted on 11/02/2006 8:22:17 PM PST by stylin19a ("Klaatu Barada Nikto")
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To: Aliska

perhaps given the article by the NYTimes, they might break their story before saturday morning.


42 posted on 11/02/2006 8:22:49 PM PST by mware
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To: hipaatwo
I cannot help but think the attempted purchase of yellow cake fits into the time line.
43 posted on 11/02/2006 8:23:18 PM PST by sierrahome (Kennedy-Clinton-Kerry-Pelosi The REAL Antiques Roadshow)
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To: evad

44 posted on 11/02/2006 8:23:31 PM PST by Petronski (CNN is an insidiously treasonous, enemy propaganda organ.)
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To: hipaatwo

From the Newsdesk of Unforeseen Complications to the Bureau of Unintended Consequences... MAYDAY! MAYDAY!

I believe we have us a victory in disguise, folks. Thanks, New York Times!


45 posted on 11/02/2006 8:24:06 PM PST by dandelion
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To: Aliska

Ping me when it's posted or you find out, please. Thanks.


46 posted on 11/02/2006 8:24:06 PM PST by hipaatwo (Vote for your life. Every vote for a Democrat is a vote against victory.)
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To: stylin19a

So then explain why this info was bad to have on the site?

The info was found in Iraq in 2003.

FROM NRO:

The antiwar crowd is going to have to argue that the information somehow wasn’t dangerous in the hands of Saddam Hussein, but was dangerous posted on the Internet. It doesn’t work. It can’t be both no threat to America and yet also somehow a threat to America once it’s in the hands of Iran.


47 posted on 11/02/2006 8:24:19 PM PST by CptRepublican (Relax....)
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To: bitt

48 posted on 11/02/2006 8:25:02 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: hipaatwo
Democrats lied (about Bush's motives)

people died.

49 posted on 11/02/2006 8:25:03 PM PST by technomage (NEVER underestimate the depths to which liberals will stoop for power.)
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To: A Citizen Reporter
Their heads are going to spin clear off tomorrow.

Note to self ... pick up more popcorn

50 posted on 11/02/2006 8:25:15 PM PST by Mo1 (Senator Kerry's response to the military ~ Let me make this is crystal clear, I apologize to no one)
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