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Ruby Ridge revisited: Deval let sniper off the the hook
Boston Herald ^ | November 2, 2006 | Kimberly Atkins

Posted on 11/04/2006 12:16:33 PM PST by happinesswithoutpeace

As the Justice Department’s chief civil rights prosecutor, Deval Patrick made the controversial decision not to criminally prosecute an FBI sniper who shot and killed an unarmed woman as she held her infant daughter in her arms during a 1992 standoff in Ruby Ridge, Idaho.

The incident, in which U.S. Marshall William F. Degan of Quincy and the wife and son of white separatist Randy Weaver were killed during an 11-day standoff, is cited by experts as the spark that started the anti-government militia movement that exploded after the standoff in Waco, Texas, less than a year later. 1994, Patrick, the Democratic candidate for governor who was then assistant attorney general, concluded there was insufficient basis to prosecute FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi for shooting and killing 43-year-old Vicki Weaver. Horiuchi had testified that he opened fire on the woman’s husband and his friend, Kevin Harris, when he thought they were about to fire on an FBI helicopter.

Patrick made the recommendation despite a report by a task force assembled by Patrick’s boss, Attorney General Janet Reno, that found numerous problems with the FBI’s handling of the standoff, and called the protocol used by the FBI’s Hostage Rescue unconstitutional under the circumstances. The report referred the case to Patrick’s department to decide whether to charge Horiuchi. Aides to Patrick said he was unavailable for comment because he was preparing for last night’s debate. Former Justice Department spokesman Myron Marlin called the incident “a tragic one that occurred during the final months of the first Bush administration.”

“The Justice Department believed the critical element of willfulness necessary for a criminal civil rights prosecution could not be established beyond a reasonable doubt,” Marlin said in a statement to the Herald yesterday. “Such willfulness, or knowing, intentional use of unreasonable force could not be made out against the FBI agent.”

Patrick’s assessment, he noted, was“reaffirmed by a separate criminal investigative team.”

In 1995, however, a Senate subcommittee headed by Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) found “simply no justification” for the shot Horiuchi took that killed Vicki Weaver and “missed the 10-month-old baby in her arms by less than two feet.”

“Horiuchi should have known that as he fired blind through the cabin door, he was shooting into an area which could well have contained Vicki Weaver and her two younger daughters,” states the report, which took no position on whether Horiuchi should have been prosecuted.

The decision not to prosecute was ripped by both conservative and liberal groups. “It was obscene,” said author James Bovard, an outspoken critic of federal officials’ handling of the case. “There was no need for the excessive force the FBI used in gunning down a mother holding her baby. ACLU Legislative Counsel Timothy Edgar said the incident was “the result of overzealous - and unchecked - federal power.”


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To: rwgal

Yeah, Halp Us Jon Cary has been condemening the wrong governmental agency. It's not our soldiers who kill women and children in the dead of night, it's the BATF and the FBI!


61 posted on 11/04/2006 1:52:04 PM PST by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: CowPalace1964

Please see link for complete story and details.

http://land.netonecom.net/tlp/ref/weaver.shtml

Seeing his dog, Striker, shot to death by masked intruders clad in camouflage, Sammy Weaver, 14, fired back in fear for his life. The 4 ft., 11" tall youngster was hit in the arm, then shot in the back as he turned to run for home. He died instantly, killed by an agent of the federal government.

Cradling her 10-month-old daughter in her arms, Vicki Weaver stood in the doorway of her home, mourning her slain son, unaware that she herself had only seconds to live. In an instant a bullet tore into Vicki Weaver's face, blew through her jaw and severed her carotid artery. The bullet was fired from 200 yds. away by an agent of the federal government.

What had the Weaver family done to bring FBI snipers and submachine- gun-toting U.S. marshals to the woods around their cabin on Ruby Ridge in northern Idaho? Why did the government act as though the Weavers had forfeited the protections guaranteed all Americans by the United States Constitution? Who made the decisions that led to their unjustified deaths and also to the death of deputy U.S. Marshall William Degan?

Cont'd


62 posted on 11/04/2006 1:52:25 PM PST by Prost1 (Fair and Unbiased as always!)
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To: durasell

"Yet you still love your country? How do you love your country and not the machinery of govt that, at least in part, defines it?"

Because the goodness of our people and the wisdom and rightness of our foundation remain static while bureaucrats are fleeting and their fiefdoms are transitory.


63 posted on 11/04/2006 1:55:55 PM PST by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: Prost1

"Animal Rights groups never spoke out."

They only speak out and assault people when they know their victims won't fight back. Horiuchi would not fit that criteria.


64 posted on 11/04/2006 1:57:45 PM PST by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: happinesswithoutpeace

"...and the wife and son of white separatist Randy Weaver were killed during an 11-day standoff, is cited by experts as the spark that started..."
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Why do they call them WHITE separatists? What is the significance of their skin color? I've never understood this. Is the adjective WHITE suppose to add a more sinister meaning to the noun SEPARATIST? What gives?


66 posted on 11/04/2006 2:00:45 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Where are all the half-evolved dinosaurs?)
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To: Jezebelle

I believe that every gov't organization, by definition, is flawed, mostly because people are flawed. However, the genius of America is that we're constantly trying to improve things.


68 posted on 11/04/2006 2:05:18 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: CowPalace1964

Cow Palace 1974.....

Warriors basketball...not that significant
Roy Shire's Professional Wrestling with Ray Stevens, Pepper Gomez, Pat Patterson, Kenji Shibuya...possibly....

1964...Election Year....Republican Convention....

Senator Barry Goldwater nominated by the Republican Party at the Cow Palace!

I guess you must have been there.


69 posted on 11/04/2006 2:07:16 PM PST by Prost1 (Fair and Unbiased as always!)
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To: radar101
Executive summary: Sniper who killed murdered Vicki Weaver

Fixed it.

L

70 posted on 11/04/2006 2:07:28 PM PST by Lurker (“A liberal thinks they can sleep in, and someone will cover their lame ass.” Ted Nugent)
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To: sneakypete; Squantos; hiredhand; Larry Lucido

((((( ping )))))


71 posted on 11/04/2006 2:08:32 PM PST by sit-rep ( http://trulineint.com/latestposts.asp)
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To: BLS
I always wondered what caliber that baby was. They can be dangerous in close quarters if the wrong end is pointed at ya.

Yeah, and the diaper was loaded.

72 posted on 11/04/2006 2:09:36 PM PST by magslinger (When Law enforcement enforce idiotic Laws of Bad Politicians there are no good guys.-Phantom Patriot)
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To: CowPalace1964

That's the way I remember it. I thought there were a total of three family members shot, with Vicki and their son killed, and a friend of the Weavers who was staying with them was shot, too, and survived, as did Randy.

IIRC, the trial was held during the Waco standoff, with good ol' Lon firing merrily away at more innocents while his former victim, Randy, faced trial.

Every time I think of both events, I want to puke.


73 posted on 11/04/2006 2:10:47 PM PST by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: durasell
However, the genius of America is that we're constantly trying to improve things.

Inded we are, but "better is a rather subjective term, and seems quite variable depending on which end of the tax pipeline and which side of the beltway you're on.

74 posted on 11/04/2006 2:12:14 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Prost1

What heroes!! Shooting a retreating boy in the back.

The Islamofascist terrorist leaders probably produced a video re-enactment of the event and use it as a training film at their terrorist training camps.


75 posted on 11/04/2006 2:14:04 PM PST by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: tacticalogic

To quote Winston Churchill:

The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives.


76 posted on 11/04/2006 2:15:00 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: rwgal

And let's not forget that Randy was a green beret. Aside from what all that conveys, consider that those agencies chose a green beret and his family to set up for this kill, and then defended the killers.


77 posted on 11/04/2006 2:17:24 PM PST by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: durasell

Probably the result of having spent time working closely with FDR.


79 posted on 11/04/2006 2:19:32 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: CowPalace1964
No need to apologize. I think it's an interesting subject and worth discussion.

For the record, I think that inside most Americans is the 8th grade civics book in conflict with the keen-eyed shopkeeper. That is to say -- this is the way things are supposed to be & don't let the scoundrels get away with anything!
80 posted on 11/04/2006 2:22:20 PM PST by durasell (!)
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