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US troops again in Vietnam
Strategy page ^ | Nov 5, 2006 | Strategy page

Posted on 11/05/2006 5:00:49 PM PST by Dawnsblood

After over 30 years, U.S. Army troops are returning to Vietnam. These training specialists will help to upgrade the combat capabilities of the Vietnamese forces. Because American troops are now the most combat experienced in the world, they are much in demand as trainers.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: communists; deathbyhanging; hanoikerry; military; traitor; troops; vietnam; wto
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1 posted on 11/05/2006 5:00:51 PM PST by Dawnsblood
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To: Dawnsblood

Good. Influence in the area is needed.


2 posted on 11/05/2006 5:02:22 PM PST by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: Dawnsblood

This for real?


3 posted on 11/05/2006 5:02:58 PM PST by Dog
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To: Dog

It appears to be, I have no other sources though.


4 posted on 11/05/2006 5:03:48 PM PST by Dawnsblood
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To: Dawnsblood; Miss Marple; Cap Huff

Talk about a stunning thing....wow.


5 posted on 11/05/2006 5:05:25 PM PST by Dog
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To: Dawnsblood

As one of the 2nd place participants, I hope we are there to plant a nuke somewhere.

Meadow Muffin


6 posted on 11/05/2006 5:06:58 PM PST by rwgal
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To: ALOHA RONNIE; Dawnsblood


Have you heard about this?


7 posted on 11/05/2006 5:07:06 PM PST by onyx (We have two political parties: the American Party and the Anti-American Party.)
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To: rwgal

This is a good move......think very long term. China will rise and we will need all the "friends" we can muster when that showdown takes place.


8 posted on 11/05/2006 5:08:40 PM PST by Dog
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To: Dawnsblood

Bookmark


9 posted on 11/05/2006 5:09:37 PM PST by Argus (John French Kerry is Lt. Keefer (Fred McMurray) in THE CAINE MUTINY - somebody get Jose Ferrer.)
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To: Dog

I left way to many frineds DEAD and wounded over there to care one iota avout the rice burners. My preference is make it a large glass parking lot.and then put Willie der Slickmeister on top s a decoration...I hate everything about Vietnam...long term for me is just how far my rifle could nail one of these clowns. (Yes I am bitter)

Meadow Muffin


10 posted on 11/05/2006 5:11:36 PM PST by rwgal
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To: Dawnsblood

Wow, not only stuck in Iraq but stuck back in Vietnam too. /s/


11 posted on 11/05/2006 5:12:20 PM PST by TADSLOS (Mohammed was the L. Ron Hubbard of his time.)
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To: Dawnsblood

U.S. military specialists headed to Vietnam
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
June 23, 2005
http://www.washingtontimes.com/world/20050623-120117-9105r.htm

U.S. military specialists will return to Vietnam to train its soldiers 30 years after the end of the Vietnam War, this time offering medical, technical and language support under an agreement struck with the Pentagon during Prime Minister Phan Van Khai's visit to Washington.

Deputy Prime Minister Vu Khoan told editors and reporters at a breakfast interview yesterday at The Washington Times that under the International Military Education and Training (IMET) agreement, U.S. soldiers would be welcome to learn from the Vietnamese.

Mr. Khoan emphatically denied that any live American prisoners of war remain in Vietnam. Several U.S. POW/MIA groups disagree. The lobby group Rolling Thunder Inc. said the last sighting of a live American POW in Vietnam occurred in the late 1990s.

There are "absolutely no" POWs living in Vietnam, the deputy prime minister said.

Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld stopped briefly at the Willard Hotel on Tuesday evening to meet with Mr. Khai, a Pentagon official said.

The visit ended with an agreement on military-to-military training, capping a series of contacts between the two countries' military establishments, said Mr. Khoan, speaking through a translator.

"We have agreed that Vietnam will take part in the IMET military training program," said Mr. Khoan, using the acronym for a program that promotes military-to-military relations to increase cooperation and understanding between the United States and foreign countries.

"At the initial stage, we will receive support in training our military in terms of English, and some of the medical staff and technical staff," he said.

Defense spokesman Lt. Cmdr. Greg Hicks said that details of the IMET working-level proposal still had to be worked out.

"Both sides see this as another step in the development of normal bilateral military relations," he said, adding that the agreement "will open the door to more exchanges and opportunities of mutual value."

"It could include a more robust military-to-military relationship," said Cmdr. Hicks. He declined to give further details. But the deputy prime minister said there was no desire to talk about establishing U.S. bases in Vietnam.

Mr. Khoan laughed at the idea that there were any American POWs left alive in Vietnam.

"I would really admire you if you could find any POW alive," he said. "If we think logically, I do not understand why we should keep any POW. Because we have now sat down with [President Bush], we don't have anything else to bargain."

Mr. Khoan described Mr. Khai's visit with Mr. Bush as a "historical moment" that had brought the two countries to "significant common understandings on many issues."

The communist officials also met with a number of American business leaders, cutting deals with Microsoft and pushing Vietnam's accession to the World Trade Organization.

"President Bush expressed his strong support for that bid," Mr. Khoan said. He "recognizes differences" between Washington and Hanoi on religious freedoms and human rights, the deputy prime minister said, but he dismissed accusations that Vietnam has consistently abused those rights, and accused the Montagnards based in the United States of being secessionists.

"They want to establish another state on Vietnamese soil and that is something that is unacceptable to us," said Mr. Khoan.

He said that in trying to help the poor in the central highlands -- home to the Montagnards -- the lives of local people had been disturbed, but that the government was now trying to redress those mistakes.

The Montagnards believe they are being persecuted for their close cooperation with U.S. Special Forces during the Vietnam War and for their Christian faith. In March of this year, Human Rights Watch said Vietnamese police had raided Montagnard villages, ransacking homes, beating women and children, and arresting house church leaders.

"I think they are exaggerating, because they are sitting here or somewhere else, not in Vietnam," Mr. Khoan said.


12 posted on 11/05/2006 5:12:38 PM PST by Tai_Chung
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To: Tai_Chung

Ty Tai!


13 posted on 11/05/2006 5:13:21 PM PST by Dawnsblood
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To: rwgal

I'm sorry you are bitter. I had a brother wounded there during Tet.


14 posted on 11/05/2006 5:13:32 PM PST by Dog
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To: Dog

I agree with you on that. If the US and China ever throw down, it would be nice to have an ally that has a border with China.


15 posted on 11/05/2006 5:15:02 PM PST by Stonewall Jackson ("I see storms on the horizon.")
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To: Stonewall Jackson
Looks like a containment policy for China.
South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam, India, and Afghanistan.


16 posted on 11/05/2006 5:19:33 PM PST by Tai_Chung
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To: All; Tai_Chung


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JOHN KERRY =


Pictures of a vietnamese Re-Education Camp

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1308949/posts

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17 posted on 11/05/2006 5:24:02 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com.)
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To: Dawnsblood; zot; Interesting Times

I'm sure that Senator Kerry is going to be denouncing this or claiming that they are returning only to kill the babies the missed the first time.


18 posted on 11/05/2006 5:24:37 PM PST by GreyFriar ( (3rd Armored Division - Spearhead))
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To: Dawnsblood

Forging another link in the fence around China.


19 posted on 11/05/2006 5:26:21 PM PST by Zeroisanumber (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: rwgal
No reason to be back in Vietnam except to finish the job. We shouldn't help the piss ants or build them up even if they've unilaterally surrendered. My uncle and his best friend were worth far more than 100,000,000 of those commie bastards.

I'm with you, toss BJ in with his fellow commies.


20 posted on 11/05/2006 5:38:05 PM PST by RasterMaster (Winning Islamic hearts and minds.........one bullet at a time!)
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To: Dawnsblood

I don't like this at all


21 posted on 11/05/2006 5:43:20 PM PST by ChurtleDawg (Go Mike Steele!)
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To: TADSLOS

Quagmire?


22 posted on 11/05/2006 5:43:53 PM PST by norton
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To: Jet Jaguar

The Vietman War was useless and a waste. It makes one wonder what if we fully engaged NK and flooded them with Western influences and products....what would happen...


23 posted on 11/05/2006 5:45:27 PM PST by zarf
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To: Dawnsblood

Quick- lets send John F'n Kerry. Have him spend Christmas in Cambodia and blame George Bush.

That or drop his sorry @ss from 32,000 feet.


24 posted on 11/05/2006 5:45:58 PM PST by ARealMothersSonForever (We shall never forget the atrocities of September 11, 2001.)
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To: Tai_Chung

You forgot Mongolia: we have been training their forces for a few years and I believe they sent a small contigent to Iraq.


25 posted on 11/05/2006 5:51:15 PM PST by pierrem15 (Charles Martel: past and future of France)
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To: norton
Must elaborate:

I have very mixed emotions,
I strongly support the Vietnamese now living in the USA,
I despise our craven abandonment of the hill people, the RVN forces & their people,
I loathe Henry Kissinger,
I do NOT loathe Vietnam although many of us paid a price for its loss.
But;
I know from experience at the time all those things took place that there is more to any agreement than is announced,
and that there may be more truth in our enemies' statements than is apparent.

Maybe, just maybe, this kind of cooperation will lead to betterment for the masses and for the families of those with new lives in the USA.
(Very close to where I live in many cases)

Maybe it will provide us with a beach head in SEA if ever needed,
Maybe not.

Mixed emotions.

27 posted on 11/05/2006 5:53:57 PM PST by norton
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To: Jet Jaguar
Good. Influence in the area is needed.

Surely (or is it Shirley?) you jest?

WHY should our Military be helping one of the most oppressive. despotic, COMMUNIST regimes in the World?

Is this something Clintoon, Kerry or McPain behind?

BARF!!!!!

A Proud Vietnam Vet who may forgive, but never forgets.

28 posted on 11/05/2006 6:06:48 PM PST by seasoned traditionalist ("INFIDEL AND PROUD OF IT.")
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To: Dawnsblood
...American troops are now the most combat experienced in the world, ..

Yep!

29 posted on 11/05/2006 6:08:59 PM PST by syriacus (Make calls to help Santorum -- http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1732142/posts)
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To: Dog

China and Vietnam hate each other. They tangled in the 80's, and the combat-hardened Viets kicked some Chinese ass.


30 posted on 11/05/2006 6:11:33 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: sneakypete; Squantos

hmmmmmmm.....


31 posted on 11/05/2006 6:15:16 PM PST by sit-rep ( http://trulineint.com/latestposts.asp)
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To: All; onyx; reformjoy; Alamo-Girl; ExTexasRedhead; kristinn; Republic; Rush Limbaugh; ...

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On the day I returned home from our Annual Battle of IA DRANG-1965 Alumni Conference in Washington, D.C. in 2004,

...a Communist Vietnam Defense Ministry leader paid a visit to the Pentagon for the first time. Just weeks later a U.S. Navy warship paid a visit to the Port of Saigon, Vietnam.

This month will see President BUSH visiting Communist Vietnam.

Communist Vietnam has imprisoned 3 U.S. Citizens now visiting there for "Terrorism." A Terrorist is defined by Communist Vietnam as anyone who wants a Regime Change there. The last time Communist Vietnam recently did this it was forced to release its jailed U.S. Citizen. through hard public and political pressure from America and a Freedom-Loving Little Saigon CA.

Last August 5th, Gov. ARNOLD signed an Executive Order in Little Saigon, CA recognizing the Freedom and Heritage Flag of Vietnam, as opposed to the Communist Vietnam Flag, as representive of the over 500,000 Vietnamese Americans now living in the Golden State. Doing this, California became the 10th State to do so. Ohio quickly followed the next week, making over 100 cities, counties and states that have ..plus Sydney, Australia..!!!

http://gov.ca.gov/index.php?/photos/3165/
(See Gov. ARNOLD's website Little Saigon CA Photo Essay)


But I was not aware, onyx, of any American Troops going back to Vietnam to train or be trained.

I do know though that...

...FREEDOM is also on it way back to Vietnam,

...one way or another.

Communist Vietnam has been re-engaged by the world ...permanently.

For as President BUSH proclaimed on September 2nd, 2004 at New York's Republican Convention...

...our new 21st Century is...

...The LIBERTY Century,

..........no matter what.

Or the Anti-Freedom Jihadists win over all of us.

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32 posted on 11/05/2006 6:16:31 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com.)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Excellent post, Ronnie.
I think the professionals in the Vietnamese may be preparing for the fall of communism. In that event, they will be in the Chinese cross-hairs and very much alone unless they can cement an alliance with the west beforehand.

Our long-ago fight may yet be crowned with victory.


33 posted on 11/05/2006 6:22:25 PM PST by atomic conspiracy (Death to terrorists, death to traitors, death to (draw the obvious conclusion))
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To: rwgal

You and me both. I was a `real helicopter pilot' flying Hueys and I saw too much of the bad s&%t these people did. WTF, are we protecting the NVA from the Chinese, or what?

Doesn't make no sense no how.


34 posted on 11/05/2006 6:23:17 PM PST by elcid1970
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To: seasoned traditionalist

Thorn in the side of the Chinese.


35 posted on 11/05/2006 6:27:57 PM PST by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: elcid1970

I know the definition of a "real helicopter pilot".


36 posted on 11/05/2006 6:29:57 PM PST by satan
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

This surprised me too. Thanks for the information in your posts and for replying to me.


37 posted on 11/05/2006 6:30:40 PM PST by onyx (We have two political parties: the American Party and the Anti-American Party.)
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To: Stonewall Jackson
...it would be nice to have an ally that has a border with China.

We have India... which is a democracy.

38 posted on 11/05/2006 6:34:28 PM PST by La Enchiladita (God bless America, Land that I LOVE...)
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To: Tai_Chung
Mr. Khoan laughed at the idea that there were any American POWs left alive in Vietnam. "I would really admire you if you could find any POW alive," he said. "If we think logically, I do not understand why we should keep any POW. Because we have now sat down with [President Bush], we don't have anything else to bargain."

Laugh all you like, Mr. Khoan.

I am weeping for any American soldier sent on this lousy mission.

39 posted on 11/05/2006 6:45:23 PM PST by La Enchiladita (God bless America, Land that I LOVE...)
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To: Dawnsblood
The communist officials also met with a number of American business leaders, cutting deals with Microsoft and pushing Vietnam's accession to the World Trade Organization.

So, it's all about trade. What a surprise.

40 posted on 11/05/2006 6:47:30 PM PST by La Enchiladita (God bless America, Land that I LOVE...)
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To: All; atomic conspiracy

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Pictures of the 1st Major Battles for Freedom of the Vietnam War:

http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_set1.htm

http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_set2.htm

http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_set3.htm

http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_collection.htm

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41 posted on 11/05/2006 7:07:48 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com.)
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To: All
I dont think we have to worry about china, I believe they want us fat,happy and wealthy so we can buy their crap. Lets face it if they destroyed America, who would buy their stuff, yeah they sell to other countries but they get top dollar here.

Maybe we are helping out Vietnam against islamofascists? Anyone know if there are muzzies in the area?

42 posted on 11/05/2006 7:13:24 PM PST by Kewlhand`tek (Those that can't , Teach. Those that can't teach , Report)
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To: Dawnsblood
Waddayagonnado? Two cousins and a good friend came home in bags from Viet Nam. My Dad was permanently disabled and suffered all his life from wounds caused by the Japanese at Guadalcanal and Saipan. Now I eat fresh shrimp from Viet Nam that I bring home in my Toyota.

A former customer was a Luftwaffe double ace in WWII.

We can't function as a society if hatreds are not set aside. I don't mean forgotten or even forgiven, just set aside. It is the ultimate freedom of a society to make maximum progress because of, and (gritting-our-teeth) in spite of, the influences of the past.

43 posted on 11/05/2006 7:17:17 PM PST by gandalftb
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To: GreyFriar

I am sad to see this. Hanoi John Kerry will rejoice.


44 posted on 11/05/2006 7:43:24 PM PST by zot (GWB -- the most slandered man of this decade)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
Fellow Vietnam veteran bump!

The war goes on. I always thought we were going to win!

45 posted on 11/05/2006 8:00:14 PM PST by onedoug
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To: Jet Jaguar
These training specialists...

Ooooh, are we going to call them "advisers"?

46 posted on 11/05/2006 8:51:14 PM PST by BlazingArizona
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To: rwgal

You said: "As one of the 2nd place participants, I hope we are there to plant a nuke somewhere.

Meadow Muffin"

Well we were only 2nd place because a bunch of liberal pukes and a biased MSM made it politically expedient to remove us from the arena.


47 posted on 11/05/2006 8:54:27 PM PST by DaiHuy (I have never seen a situation so dismal that a policeman couldn't make it worse)
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To: Alas Babylon!; American_Centurion; An.American.Expatriate; ASA.Ranger; ASA Vet; Atigun; ...
MI ping

Tat ca gian diep bao cao!
48 posted on 11/05/2006 9:02:25 PM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny.)
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To: BlazingArizona

A little Deja Vu?


49 posted on 11/05/2006 9:08:52 PM PST by NY Attitude (You are responsible for your safety until the arrival of Law Enforcement Officers!)
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To: Rembrandt

As I was saying........ping


50 posted on 11/05/2006 9:10:30 PM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny.)
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