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Losing Libertarians
Washington Times ^ | 11/6/06 | David Boaz

Posted on 11/07/2006 7:01:57 AM PST by libertylovinactivist

Take a look at independent voters. There are more of them than before, especially in the West. More than 25 percent of Arizona voters now register as independent or third-party voters. And according to a Washington Post-ABC News poll, they've shifted sharply toward the Democrats in this fall's elections.

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 3rdpartylosers; elections; gop; greenpartyrejects; liberaltardation; liberaltarians; libertarians; republicans
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To: eleni121

Our local Libertarian here who had been that party's "standard-bearer" for Congress (he got maybe 3% of the vote). He knocks both major parties, but saves his most vehement invective for the Republican Party.


101 posted on 11/07/2006 9:17:24 AM PST by attiladhun2 (Islam is a despotism so vile that it would warm the heart of Orwell's Big Brother)
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To: tacticalogic

Who's "they?" Big, bad "they" haven't managed to content filter books, magazines, movies, etc., and they've been around a lot longer.

Believe what you wish, but if you're a fiscal conservative, social conservatives are not your enemy. It's the Democrats who want to tax you to spend more on social programs for people whose behavioral choices make them a drain on society. It's Democrats who are against privatizing Social Security. It's Democrats who want to take away your 2nd Amendment rights. It's Democrats who want socialized medicine. It's Democrats who make you pay for schools that are little more than liberal indoctrination camps. It's Democrats who undermine your private property rights. Not social conservatives, Democrats.


102 posted on 11/07/2006 9:19:05 AM PST by LadyNavyVet
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To: tpaine
How can the poor be helped, justice be restored or the future guaranteed by someone with no fashion sense? "No way!!!" say the Founding Fathers.
103 posted on 11/07/2006 9:21:56 AM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: CWOJackson

And when you consider Rino positions on big brother government, - it's very plain they too have very much in common with the Democrats.

Politics make strange bedfellows, and small 'l' libertarians side with liberty.


104 posted on 11/07/2006 9:22:13 AM PST by tpaine
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To: Dead Corpse; jazzo
Hi All-

My vote is traditionally a straight-Republican ticket right down the column.

My incumbent Republican congressman is a hardcore gungrabber...as is his liberal Democratic challenger. This is such an important issue to me I'm inclined to vote for the Libertarian candidate which the NRA & GOA gave an "A" rating. How long can I continue to reward a candidate who stands against my principles (even though I've voted for him before...) with my support?

~ Blue Jays ~

105 posted on 11/07/2006 9:25:56 AM PST by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: tpaine
LOL! I love that term "small l Libertarian"...just another term for someone perpetually pi$$ed off about something and want a better term to call them self then "sourpuss".
106 posted on 11/07/2006 9:25:59 AM PST by CWOJackson
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To: Dead Corpse

Bla bla baloney..give it a rest bub


107 posted on 11/07/2006 9:27:08 AM PST by eleni121 ("Show me just what Mohammed brought:: evil and inhumanity")
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To: You Dirty Rats
You don't have any family in the military, do you?

No I don't.

In terms of the misnamed War on Terror...in my opinion, the Republicans have barely been any better than the Democrats. First, why won't the leaders of either party call this what it is?...a War on a Worldwide Islamic Insurgency

Second, why do both parties pretend that the Islamists' war against the US has nothing to do with US policies and is only the result of their "hatred for our freedoms"...what a load of BS...and not helpful if we are really want to win this war

We need to reform US policies (i.e. unconditional support for Israel, support for Chinese, Russian and Indian wars against Muslims, financial and military support of corrupt dictators throughout the Middle East, the presence of US military bases in the Gulf which have been there since we were there in '91, etc.) Bin Laden's continues to get invaluable mileage out of US policies (which are almost universally reviled through the Muslim world) as he recruits new terrorists. Where are the leaders in either party that will force Americans to evaluate our own government's policies?

Likewise, what are we doing against Al Qaeda now? Trying to win this by arresting and trying terrorists in a courtroom one by one? Where were the leaders of either party in the late 90's when we should have crushed Al Qaeda before 9-11 ever happened? Where were the leaders when we should have annihilated Al Qaeda in the hours and days immediately after 9-11? Why did we wait 3 weeks to begin a half-hearted effort in Afghanistan while Al Qaeda dispersed only to begin resurfacing again in the last year? Where are the leaders now who recognize that we need to fight the Islamic insurgency like we mean it and remorselessly crush them? We seem to want to make sure we don't kill too many people or damage too much property...we will never prevail like this

I may not be an expert on this but it seems to me that we need a combination of post-Cold War policy reforms that will ensure Bin Laden's arguments don't have the same appeal they do now across the Muslim world...and a dramatic escalation of our application of military power wherever the enemy is...and I don't see either party up to the leadership challenge

108 posted on 11/07/2006 9:30:37 AM PST by Irontank (Let them revere nothing but religion, morality and liberty -- John Adams)
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To: eleni121
I agree completely. I never met a libertarian who did not come off as angry and completely self centered.

Agreed, I met one once, the guy had one oar in the water for sure. His house was decorated in 1970's furnishings with stark white walls and large American flag tacked up to wall like a Led Zeppelin poster. He insisted his kids call him Sir and and every black person was a n*gger and it's the Jews and mexicans taking over the country. He was aobsessed with Ruby Ridge, WACO and the Arkansas Mafia and insisted that the entire Federal government be disbanded and that law enforcement should be left up to a local posse. He was a self professed libertarian cause Bush and Clinton were Masons and secret memebers of the CFR. Yea guys like that are going to vote for Webb, McKaskill or Clinton...the MSM wishes.

109 posted on 11/07/2006 9:30:41 AM PST by lwg8tr
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To: LadyNavyVet
Who's "they?" Big, bad "they" haven't managed to content filter books, magazines, movies, etc., and they've been around a lot longer.

"They" are the religious right, and the question at hand is not what they've done, but what they want to do and how much it's going to cost to get it.

111 posted on 11/07/2006 9:31:19 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Deb
Deb wrote:

How can the poor be helped, justice be restored or the future guaranteed by someone with no fashion sense?
"No way!!!" say the Founding Fathers.

You're defending the fashion sense of a bunch of men that wore frilly shirts, tights & wigs?

Lord help a Republic ruled by gollywoods fascist fashion police. ;-)

112 posted on 11/07/2006 9:32:45 AM PST by tpaine
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To: RockinRight

How is that different from what we actually do today (not what we say, but what we do)?


113 posted on 11/07/2006 9:35:02 AM PST by TheFrog
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To: tacticalogic

I am the religious right, and I've never heard of it. If we crazy religious zealots haven't managed to ban books, magazines and movies, what are you so worried about? Trust me, filtering your internet content is not high on the religious right's radar screen. There are already filters in place that people can add or remove as they wish. I have one, and as long as I can keep filth out of my home, I really don't care what you do in yours.

The social legislative priorities for religious conservatives are abortion, embryonic stem cell research and the preservation of marriage.


114 posted on 11/07/2006 9:41:21 AM PST by LadyNavyVet
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To: Irontank
Why did we wait 3 weeks to begin a half-hearted effort in Afghanistan while Al Qaeda dispersed only to begin resurfacing again in the last year?

You are upset because we responded twelve times zones away from Washington in three WEEKS? Are you kidding????? Do you have the slightest idea of the logistical challenges of operating in Afghanistan?

I may not be an expert on this

You got that part right.

115 posted on 11/07/2006 9:44:36 AM PST by You Dirty Rats (I Love Free Republic!!!)
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To: LadyNavyVet
The social legislative priorities for religious conservatives are abortion, embryonic stem cell research and the preservation of marriage.

Then I must have imagined the debates I've had with people over federal pornography bans, and "moral absolutes" trumping any Constitutional or fiscal issues.

116 posted on 11/07/2006 9:46:18 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: RockinRight

Yeah, but, if understand the Libertarians correctly, they'd cut 'em (and everybody else!) off from the public teat. No more taxpayer-funded freebies.
That might be almost as good as a minefield on the border...


117 posted on 11/07/2006 9:52:49 AM PST by Little Ray
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To: CWOJackson; eleni121
I remember some years ago that Professor Walter Williams addressed a Libertarian Convention in a respectful; but very insightful way. When he was asked -at the conclusion of his speech- to consider running for office on the Libertarian ticket, he gently declined with the following explanation.

Libertarians, Williams observed, have wonderful sentiments on many of the topics dear to Conservative hearts; however, it is the Libertarian "all or nothing" approach to politics that would prevent him from accepting the invitation to be on their ticket. He wryly stated that "all or nothing" people generally end up with nothing.
118 posted on 11/07/2006 9:54:08 AM PST by PerConPat (A politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground.-- Mencken)
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To: JamesP81
it looks to me like the libertarian wing of the party is a lot more likely to undo the GOP.

It's always been that way. When libertarians sit out elections, Republicans lose.
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119 posted on 11/07/2006 10:10:21 AM PST by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: You Dirty Rats
That the US government wasn't prepared to move imnmediately against Al Qaeda...that it hadn't moved against Al Qaeda before 9-11...is inexcusable knowing what we now know in terms of information that had been flowing into American intelligence since the mid-1990's. Mike Scheurer who headed the CIA's Bin Laden from 1996 on has stated that he believes the failure to move before Oct 2001 was an opportunity to destroy Al Qaeda that we may never have again

I will defer to the obvious and acknowledge your superior expertise on foreign affairs...I'd be interested to know your assessment of US efforts to date in the War on Terror

120 posted on 11/07/2006 10:15:54 AM PST by Irontank (Let them revere nothing but religion, morality and liberty -- John Adams)
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