Posted on 11/07/2006 7:01:57 AM PST by libertylovinactivist
Take a look at independent voters. There are more of them than before, especially in the West. More than 25 percent of Arizona voters now register as independent or third-party voters. And according to a Washington Post-ABC News poll, they've shifted sharply toward the Democrats in this fall's elections.
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Um, it's the conservative christians that are driving out the libertarian leaning Repubs and independents, causing a rift in the center-right coalition. The christian conservatives are really not conservatives, but are actually christian social engineers (aka Socialists). Libertarians disagree with social engineering, whether from the right or the left. More and more voters are identifying themselves as independents because their tired of all the moral posturing coming from both major parties.
The Libertarian Party Platform has always been a joke. Check out the RLC Platform, --
[http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-rlc/browse] -- for one that conforms to our Constitution.
Libertarianism will never work. It must all be implemented at the same time or none of it will be successful.
Our Constitution can work, and nothing in libertarianism opposes constitutional restoration, an FR goal.
You cannot have open borders with a welfare state, therefore, all forms of welfare must go away first. You cannot have a barebones military without a safe world, so the terrorists and nutjob dictators in North Korea and Iran must go away first. You cannot legalize drugs for all unless emergency rooms are free to ignore destitute people overdosing in the waiting room. And so on.
You're simply chanting the same old anti-big "L"libertarian hype we've all heard a thousand times before. -- Immigration, drugs & big government can all be fixed, - constitutionally.. And libertarians want the document to be honored in doing so.
Libertarianism won't work because our political system operates in a piecemeal fashion--a bill about this, a law about that, a ballot initiative over here, a Supreme Court decision over there, etc. Since the odds of everybody agreeing to implement the Libertarian platform all at once are exactly nil, it's a pie-in-the-sky political party, not a serious movement with a chance of gaining national power.
Paraphrased: -- Since the odds of everybody agreeing to implement the Constitution all at once are exactly nil, it's a pie-in-the-sky FR political dream to demand its restoration, - not a serious movement with a chance of gaining national power.
I didn't say you were. Others who also lay claim to the be and speak for "the religious right" do advocate federal bans on pornography, including government controlled firewalling and content filtering of the internet, and consider the Constitution irrelevant when "moral absolutes" are involved.
Maybe attributing that position and attitude to everyone who considers them the "religious right" isn't fair, or at least no more so than attributing the policies of the Libertarian Party to everyone that considers themselves libertarian.
What!?
I am speaking of large "L" Libertarianism; that's why I have capitalized it each time I've typed it.
Unlike Libertarianism, social conservatism can be implemented piecemeal quite successfully, as we are seeing with state ballot amendments on Defense of Marriage and legislation to ban partial birth abortion and the funding of embryonic stem cell research. I don't expect the whole loaf immediately, and am content to chip away at what I consider morally untenable, doing what I can and praying for what I cannot do.
Getting back to the Constitution is great. I wholeheartedly support it, as long as the Supreme Court can find the words "right to life" in the Preamble where our Founding Fathers put them, and stop finding penumbras and emanations where there are none.
How do you insult a Libertarian, call them thoughtful?
Gambling bans, more drug cops and one and a half billion for marriage counseling, are good examples.
Projection
I base my opinions on Libertarians by the Party platform. I know there are individuals who consider themselves little "l" libertarians but I have very little idea what that means.
Social conservatives are, like you said, harder to pigeonhole. I'm a deeply religious person, and I believe the world would be a better place if more people thought like me. It would certainly be cheaper for the government. However, I live in a pluralistic society where there are others who feel quite differently. Since I'm not responsible for the disposition of their souls, only mine, I believe in granting others a great deal of freedom, as long as they are not hurting anyone. I'm also by nature a pragmatist, and know that prohibition doesn't work.
Therein lies their little secret...they can wrap any political ideology or anger they wish under the banner "little l".
If you want to find out, read and consider what Ronald Reagan had to say about libertarians and libertarianism.
If you don't want to find out, then you don't have to.
I think we're probably about done, so I'll take this opportunity to thank you for your military service. I never served in the military, but my son is a Navy nuke OC. Right now he's finishing college under the STA-21 program, and will be get his commission when he graduates.
A lot of those early hits are for DailyKos' version of libertarianism, which is a bit more leftist than typical libertarianism, just as the FR version is often more to the right. Still, you're right that there are a number of libertarians who prefer the Democrats due to their greater distaste for the theocrats who hold such sway in the Republican party.
pedophilia
A Republican specialty these days.
I wouldn't mind gambling and legalizing drugs IF I wasn't expected to pony up when other people gamble their life savings away and end up destitute or when addicts decide they want rehab. How much does gambling, drug addiction, and a nation full of dysfunctional families cost the government? What's cheaper, marriage counseling or a bunch of single moms and their kids on welfare? And who pays? The responsible people who haven't screwed their lives up. We'd be a whole lot better off if more people believed they were responsible to the Almighty for their actions.
You're welcome for my military service. I wish your son the best of luck. Hubby was a nuke. Your son will work hard and learn A LOT. Smart group of guys, those nukes.
Boy...the social right did a great job tonite stiff arming libertarions and moderates. Good job.
No changes in my representation on the national level, despite my first vote for the Libertarian candidate for House of Representatives. I still have a far-left liberal 'rat Senator and a RINO congresscritter...both of whom are chomping to support extremist, gungrabbing legislation. I'm glad I voted Libertarian in a General election, it felt good for a change.
~ Blue Jays ~
| RACE | NAME | PARTY | EARLY VOTES | PERCENT | TOTAL VOTES | PERCENT | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| U. S. Representative District 28 |
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| Ron Avery | CON | 3,940 | 11.42% | 9,275 | 13.33% | ||
| Henry Cuellar - Incumbent | DEM | 23,121 | 67.04% | 45,644 | 65.61% | ||
| Frank Enriquez | DEM | 7,427 | 21.54% | 14,645 | 21.05% | ||
| --------------- | --------------- | ||||||
| Total Votes Cast | 34,488 | 69,564 | |||||
| Precincts Reported | 197 | of | 236 Precincts | 83.47% | |||
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Something both Republicans and Democrats have completely abandoned.
Now, because the GOP jettisoned so much of its conservative base, the Dems have gained more power in Congress.
Thanks for nothing you stupid Bots.
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