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ATF Arrests 2 Mexican Nationals for Purchasing 12,750 Rounds of Ammunition
The Shooting Wire ^ | Nov. 8, 2006 | Jim Shepherd

Posted on 11/08/2006 5:40:41 AM PST by girlangler

ATF Arrests 2 Mexican Nationals for Purchasing 12,750 Rounds of Ammunition

Laredo, Texas -- Special Agent in Charge J. Dewey Webb of the Houston Field Division, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), announced today that ATF special agents have arrested two Mexican men after they purchased 12,750 rounds of ammunition of assorted calibers from a federal firearms licensee in Laredo.

Carlos Alberto Osorio-Castrejon of Nuevo Leon, Mexico, and Ramon Uresti- Careaga of Mexico City were arrested yesterday after ATF special agents observed them in a Laredo federal firearms licensee taking the ammunition out of the original packaging and placing it in unmarked cardboard boxes. The ammunition included .380, .38 super, 9mm and .45 calibers.

Both were charged with being aliens in possession of ammunition, a violation of the federal firearms laws. If convicted, the two could receive up to 10 years in prison and a $250,000 fine.

"ATF will be vigorous in its enforcement of the federal firearms laws, particularly where international trafficking activity is involved," said ATF Laredo Resident Agent in Charge Elias Bazan.

ATF Laredo partners with the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement and other law enforcement agencies in Operation Gunrunner, a border interdiction initiative aimed at halting firearms trafficking between the United States and Mexico.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Miscellaneous; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; arrests; atf; banglist; crime; illegals; mexico
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1 posted on 11/08/2006 5:40:43 AM PST by girlangler
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hey... they were getting ready to celebrate a wedding.


2 posted on 11/08/2006 5:43:42 AM PST by From One - Many (Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk)
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To: girlangler

Definitely planning to smuggle it south. The .38 Super is fairly common in Mexico. Great cartridge IMO.


3 posted on 11/08/2006 5:45:54 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Dancing through life like a street mime with tourettes syndrome.)
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To: girlangler

Go to any gun range and Ill bet the guys there have that many rounds in their pick ups. The ATF sucks.


4 posted on 11/08/2006 5:46:29 AM PST by claptrap (optional tag-line under reconsideration)
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To: girlangler
What's the big deal, bill just told us how stupid we are for believing there's a terrorist on every corner and we'd be tripping over illegals trying to get away.

bill's always right, right?

5 posted on 11/08/2006 5:47:45 AM PST by pipecorp ( Al Lahsucks...Islam loves nancy pelosi.)
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To: claptrap

Go to any gun range and Ill bet the guys there have that many rounds in their pick ups. The ATF sucks.




Get real , they were buying for the drug smugglers in Neuvo Laredo , if they weren't stopped these rounds would be fired at our border agents, not that it matters now, Bush will betray us AGAIN and sign the RATS amnesty bill first thing next year.


6 posted on 11/08/2006 5:50:29 AM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: girlangler

I assume they were illegal aliens otherwise I don't see how this could possibly be illegal.


7 posted on 11/08/2006 5:58:32 AM PST by NEPA (Don't fruit the beer)
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.38 Super? I think that they were gearing up for an IPSC match...


8 posted on 11/08/2006 6:01:14 AM PST by ajwharton
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To: Neidermeyer

Yep, this ammo was to be used on our border agents, that was my first thought.


9 posted on 11/08/2006 6:04:59 AM PST by girlangler (Fish Fear Me)
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To: ajwharton

Nah, .38 Super is common and popular in Mexico where ownership of .45's is illegal (their gun laws are as weird as any) It's been that way for decades.


10 posted on 11/08/2006 6:06:36 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Dancing through life like a street mime with tourettes syndrome.)
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So I was told. .38 is legal. .357 is not.
11 posted on 11/08/2006 6:11:09 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: claptrap
Go to any gun range and Ill bet the guys there have that many rounds in their pick ups. The ATF sucks.

did you notice the charge? "Aliens in Possesion of Ammunition." sounds like the ATF actually got one right in this case.
12 posted on 11/08/2006 6:16:12 AM PST by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: girlangler

Link does not work.


13 posted on 11/08/2006 6:21:13 AM PST by Hazcat (Live to party, work to afford it.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim; girlangler
Definitely planning to smuggle it south. The .38 Super is fairly common in Mexico. Great cartridge IMO.

Right you are. The .38 Super is used widely in Mexico, and very little elsewhere.

The reason is because of Mexico's peculiar firearms laws. Civilians are not allowed to own any firearms in a caliber that has ever been used by any nation's military. This is to prevent importation of military surplus rifles and thus make it harder to mount a revolution.

Mexicans are also not allowed to own any pistol in a caliber greater than .38/9mm. So, the .38 Super is the most powerful pistol for which you can get a Mexican permit. In fact, if I recall correctly, the caliber was developed specifically to get around these two restrictions for the legitimate Mexican market.

Of course there are many illegal guns down there too, which is why they were planning to smuggle the 9mm and .45 stuff. But I would say any large purchase of .38 Super by a Mexican national is prima facie evidence of an intent to smuggle.

-ccm

14 posted on 11/08/2006 6:24:22 AM PST by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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Soon the headlines will read:

"Our brave ATF attacked and killed 4 families of Right-Wing gun nut terrorists. They are making Amerika safer!"

All the gov't terror organizations will have a field day with the dems in power. How soon will it be before the knock comes to your door for your hunting rifle, semi-auto pistol, or even black power rifle.


15 posted on 11/08/2006 7:37:12 AM PST by MaDeuce (Do it to them, before they do it to you! (MaDuce = M2HB .50 BMG))
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To: ccmay

The .38 Super was Colt's contribution in the search for a more powerful handgun during the 20's and 30's. There was a bit of an arms race between mobile gangsters like Dillinger and law enforcement, plust the addition of needing to overcome car bodies in shootouts. Smith and Wesson came up with the .357 Magnum, and Colt developed the Super to work in their 1911. Unfortunately for Colt the round was headspaced incorrectly in early guns and did not have the accuracy of the .357 out of a revolver.

The Super is really a great round, and loaded to near .357 velocities is a good stopper. Plus out of a 1911 the recoil is mild compared to a .357, except the big N frames.


16 posted on 11/08/2006 7:39:02 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Dancing through life like a street mime with tourettes syndrome.)
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Both were charged with being aliens in possession of ammunition, a violation of the federal firearms laws.

What an unspeakably bad law.

17 posted on 11/08/2006 7:39:42 AM PST by Sloth (The GOP is to DemonRats in politics as Michael Jackson is to Jeffrey Dahmer in babysitting.)
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To: Neidermeyer

I fear that you are far to optimistic about the Democrats behavior it won't just be amensty the rats will give citizenship to the illegals that way they can all vote for the Dems in the next election . Jorge Bush will gladly sign it into law cause the GOP wants to "work in a bipartisan fashion with the Democrats".


18 posted on 11/08/2006 7:42:04 AM PST by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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You're probably right on Horhay Bush ,,, BTW wouldn't .357 MAXimum be legal in Mex as it is actually .38 cal?


19 posted on 11/08/2006 8:19:09 AM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: ccmay
IIRC Australia has a 'no former military caliber' set of laws. I grew up on the border and never heard of this Mexican odity, one reason I like FR so much, always a wellspring of new info (at least for me)
20 posted on 11/08/2006 8:53:19 AM PST by ASOC (The phrase "What if" or "If only" are for children.)
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