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1 posted on 11/10/2006 11:33:51 AM PST by aculeus
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This sort of news scares the heck out of radical Islam. They know their window of opportunity to defeat the west is dependent on oil profits.


2 posted on 11/10/2006 11:36:32 AM PST by Ben Mugged
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Sharp Corporation showed off its new system for focusing sunlight with a fresnel lens

Sounds interesting.
3 posted on 11/10/2006 11:39:26 AM PST by kinoxi
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Bump for later gettin-off-the-grid reading.


4 posted on 11/10/2006 11:39:27 AM PST by Argus (Silver Lining in the Democrat Takeover Top Ten List #6: The gay weddings will be fabulous.)
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It's not that efficient if it needs a much larger sized-are of concentrator to make the small chip work. In theory, almost any solar cell would do better with large concentrator focusing more sunlight on it.


5 posted on 11/10/2006 11:40:27 AM PST by ConservativeMind
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Wow. It's only been three days since the Democrats gained control of congress and already the news is reporting that environmental problems are being solved, the economy is growing and the war on terror is looking good.

I expect that any day now Michael J. Fox will be cured of Parkinson's and Christopher Reeve will walk again.
6 posted on 11/10/2006 11:41:29 AM PST by spinestein (DOING THE JOB THE OLD MEDIA USED TO DO)
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cost has always been the problem with solar cells, and will unfortunately, continue to be for decades to come. Until these things can be stamped out cheaply, and last a reasonable length of time, they will never be a practical answer for cheap electricity.

And don't expect that if an answer is found, that it will be made available to the regular Joe for alternative energy. There's no money to be made that way.

A free energy source would cripple our economy as we know it.

9 posted on 11/10/2006 11:46:43 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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It seems to me that a system of reclined troughs which track the sun, and focus onto concentrating solar cells -- which are cooled by a liquid flowing from bottom to top, and then into a water system pre-heater, would combine enough efficiency to be of great interest to the homowner.

Especially this homeowner. Hmm, make a great camper, too.


14 posted on 11/10/2006 11:49:48 AM PST by NicknamedBob (If the Supreme Court has "Judges for Life," why is there any question about Roe vs Wade?)
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What kind of working fuild will be used to carry away the heat?

Be fun to see how these turn out for residentail use.


26 posted on 11/10/2006 12:07:03 PM PST by ASOC (The phrase "What if" or "If only" are for children.)
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"The thinking behind concentrated solar power is simple. Because energy from the sun, although abundant, is diffuse, generating one gigawatt of power (the size of a typical utility-scale plant) using traditional photovoltaics requires a four-square-mile area of silicon, says Jerry Olson, a research scientist at the National Renewable Energy Laboratory, in Golden, CO."

That is, 1 gigawatt of power at the zenith of the sun each day, and less at other times including zero power during the coldest times of the year for as much as 18 hours a day.

These people know what they are doing by giving junk calculations without the basis for their calculations. Like someone once said, there is a fool born every minute (and today, that would be every millisecond).

Oh, by the way, if you want to see the actual costs, include the battery storage necessary for 24 hours plus at least 6 times the area of cells stated above, not to mention the capacity for spurious peak loads. Having looked at this before, I think the what you pay for electricity increases between 100 and 1000 times what you are paying now!

Thinking like that stated in this article is dangerous and stupid. Your family can face extinction, mine won't. Have a hunch, bet a bunch!
29 posted on 11/10/2006 12:12:20 PM PST by Herakles (Diversity is code word for anti-white racism)
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Boeing? Cool. It would be great to have a solar house. Hopefully similar breakthroughs will come soon, for battery technology--to date the weak link.

Honda will bring Hydrogen cars out, soon. And they won't wait for the massive "infrastructure" delivery system problems.

Honda, long maker of small portable generators, will introduce household size hydrogen converters. Buy a car and converter as a system.

Apparently hydrogen can be made from natural gas.Thinking broadly on such developments, both seem to encourage property and home ownership.

A personal solar generating system is unlikely to be so portable, as to allow a renter to carry it from apartment to apartment.

And I doubt an apartment owner could easily set up for multiple converters to hook up to natural gas lines.

In both cases, property owners are favored. One more set of reasons for investing in real estate.


32 posted on 11/10/2006 12:21:57 PM PST by truth_seeker
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Just what we need.

Hire the illegals to polish the lenses everyday.

Maybe they can make a machine like a lawn mower and they can ride on it and do the four acres.


33 posted on 11/10/2006 12:22:13 PM PST by Dan(9698)
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"Now Spectrolab on their production floor does better than we do in the lab. So it basically blew that myth out of the water."

Nice job in manufacturing.

38 posted on 11/10/2006 12:41:28 PM PST by TheDon (Are you a cut and run conservative?)
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In the future, for driving, the feds are going to need a sun tax. And for taking a break, a shade tax.


39 posted on 11/10/2006 12:43:38 PM PST by samtheman
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OK, here's my idea.

Manufacture 10-ft dishes that resemble the home satellite receiver dishes of the early 80s. However, the surface would be a mirror.

These dishes would be balanced so that they are able to move and track the sun with very little power required.

At the focal ppoint of the dish, you would mount solar receptor capable of receiving/converting HIGH tempratures into voltage.

This voltage is used to crack the hydrogen out of water. They hydrogen is then used to power fuel cells.


47 posted on 11/10/2006 1:09:48 PM PST by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right....)
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What the heck ever happened to the spray on solar stuff that got some press a while back?


49 posted on 11/10/2006 1:10:41 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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This approach is distinct from concentrated thermal solar power, which concentrates the heat from the sun to power turbines or sterling engines.

I thought they were Stirling engines, but hey, I didn't go to MIT.

53 posted on 11/10/2006 1:13:47 PM PST by webheart
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Maybe I'm missing something, they say it takes 4 square miles of sunlight using traditional cells to generate 1 power plant.. with the new refractors you only need about a backyards worth of space of actual cells... which is good.. but if the cells are only twice as effective as current cells, the refractors total input area would need to be 2 square miles, even if the actual cells only took up a backyards worth of space to get the same output?

Not very practicle for replacing the power plant entirely, or maybe I'm just not understanding.

It sounds like its cheapening the expense of them, and doubling the output which isn't bad.. but you still have the diffusion issue. What sort of load can you realistically expect from a typical solar installation today? And if it were doubled would that really make them viable in most areas (Ie Areas that aren't desert or sunny most of the year)?


54 posted on 11/10/2006 1:16:47 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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read later


59 posted on 11/10/2006 1:24:31 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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Any time solar power becomes really affordable, I'll be the first to buy it. But it's nowhere near there yet.

You need an inverter, batteries, switches, wiring, and some place to stick the whole business that won't look too horrible. At the moment it's completely out of the question. But it's possible that they will work out the kinks, and at that point I'll jump in.

The sunlight isn't great in Vermont, but our power company is VERY expensive, which balances it out to some extent. One of our neighbors is installing solar power, but it's a feel-good exercise. They admit it will cost them a lot more than they'll save.


63 posted on 11/10/2006 2:09:50 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Get me off the grid reminder bump! ;-)


67 posted on 11/10/2006 5:02:56 PM PST by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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