Will Islam Dominate the Future? (a Critique of Steyn's book)

The American Thinker ^ | November 11th, 2006 | Steven M. Warshawsky

[Earthdweller]

People of high IQ tend to be inept with social skills.

Taking over the world requires networking. LOL.

[MHT]

The media stressed that Blair was unpopular in UK because of his involvement with the US in Iraq but most of the Brits I talked with say it was because he was so lax about immigration. There are already several Muslim MP's and growing. This is how they are going achieve their goal of converting Great Britain into an Islamic theocracy--through the greatest gift of our civilization--participatory democracy.

Maybe the most significant event in last week's election was the election of our first Muslim representative.

[Earthdweller]

"Maybe the most significant event in last week's election was the election of our first Muslim representative."

No shite..it's a slow take over.

The worst thing we can do is underestimate the intelligence behind the Islamic movement. It is very calculated.

The Muslims I know could out think most of my high IQ friends. This is a real battle of intelligence and deception.

[Spirochete]

Few things will turn the elite conservative establishment against a person like being an immigration restrictionist,

True. But the age of immigration is over. We just passed the 300 million mark, we don't need any more immigrants from anywhere.

[Sender]

Yes the difference in birth ratios will quite soon end up with a Muslim majority in many countries, then they can just vote to impose Sharia law.

Without a Muslim majority the takover cannot work. We cannot allow this to happen over here! While it would be unconstitutional to declare any state religion, there must be a method of declaring a particular theocracy as incompatible with America. Sharia law itself is unconstitutional, and Islam requires it.

[John Lenin]

No one ideology, religious or political has ever dominated the worldwide population.

Ever hear of the Roman Empire? duh ...

[Earthdweller]

"Yes the difference in birth ratios will quite soon end up with a Muslim majority in many countries, then they can just vote to impose Sharia law."

Democratic suicide.

[Sender]

Democratic suicide. Yes it will be the last vote they ever get to make.

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"The alternative is do nothing and let Islam rule the world."

No, the alternative is to stop importing more Muslims and stop kissing up to Islam.

[Earthdweller]

"No, the alternative is to stop importing more Muslims and stop kissing up to Islam."

Europe could do that..but will they? From where can they replenish their falling birth rates if not from Muslim countries? China..I don't think so.

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"Europe could do that..but will they?"

Probably not. Same reasons WE won't do that.

PC.

"From where can they replenish their falling birth rates if not from Muslim countries?"

The cure is worse than the disease. What does it serve them from an economic standpoint to import millions of welfare recipients?

[Earthdweller]

"What does it serve them from an economic standpoint to import millions of welfare recipients?"

Same as Us and the Mexicans..more working bodies to pay for social programs.

The difference being Islamics don't assimilate.

I'm quite confident Europeans thought Islamics would shed their fanaticism once in country. The reality is something different.

[SauronOfMordor]

However, in the long term, Islam only poses a strategic threat if it is able to conquer & retain peoples with higher IQs than the peoples who now submit to its will.

There's been a lot of talk about how Europe will be mostly Muslim in demographics in about 50 years. This is only if present trends continue

The big issue in Europe will come to a head in 5 years, not 50. It will come as a result of the fact that such a high percentage of the Muslim immigrant population is on welfare. It will come when the taxpayers of Europe can no longer maintain the Welfare State.

The crash of the European Welfare State will be spectacular in its side effects

[MHT]

I am reading The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam by Robert Spencer. Their "logic" is contortion. The most embarrassing thing is our own gutlessness. We are intellectually lazy and morally sloven. Few in the media even dared to show the cartoons that were creating such an uproar (Muslims seem to be notoriously humorless, among their many faults.); yet, there is no shortage of criticism of Judeo-Christian tradition, caricature or in print. Furthermore, when one part of a classical opera unfavorably referenced Islam, the whole program was canceled. We are cultural as well as military cowards.

The "solution" of one of my dearest friends (sadly, a liberal) is that there is nothing we can do.

Years ago, New Hampshire's car tags read "Live Free or Die". Modern Americans don't have the guts to think in those terms regarding Islam. We are the last great hope for Western Civilization and it's too politically incorrect, "insensitive", or "unsophisticated" to express that idea publicly.

Our inability to connect the dots of Islam is a shameful reflection of those who came before us.

[SauronOfMordor]

I don't think it would have been possible to dominate the whole world, prior to the development of modern communications and travel. This is a two-edged sword, of course, because theoretically it would also make resistance more possible. We shall see, I guess.

The advance of Islam started being rolled back in the 1400's and was stopped at the Siege of Vienna in 1683. What new factor was introduced that reversed the fortunes of Islam? Gunpowder, cannon, and firearms.

Conflicts started to be decided by which side had the best manufacturing capabilities, by the side that could crank out weapons of the highest quality and in high quantities. Muslim cultures had not been (and still are not) distinguished by the quality of their manufacturing and engineering expertise (except when they have enslaved infidels to do that work).

The only things holding Muslim "civilization" up these days are their oil revenues and their ability to immigrate their poorest to Western welfare states

[livius]

Usually, the guy with the best technology wins. I don't think they're likely to develop it, so I guess it depends on how much they can steal before we wipe them out. Assuming we ever decide to do so.

[SauronOfMordor]

As you note, the big issue is not whether the West has the ability to defeat Islam -- it's whether we have the will to do whatever is necessary

[Earthdweller]

:)

Your liberal friend sounds like the European defeatists I have talked to on FR.

France is "waking up". There may still be a chance...

[Sue Perkick]

When I say "it's coming" I meant global islamic domination. In a sense it is already here. But the majority won't admit it. They believe tolerance will keep everyone safe & happy. So while they celebrate diversity the muslims continue to get stronger. One day they won't know what hit them. I believe it's potentially in our lifetime.

[TomSmedley]

We are engaged in a war with Islam that will last for centuries. The question is whether America is better prepared to survive than civilizations that preceded her. If not, we will go the way of the Eastern Romans when they fell to the Ottomans in 1453.

I grew up under the shadow of "The Bomb," in an era when "the smart people" sought prophylactic accommodations with the obvious fated winners in the cold war, the Soviets. Then, in a miracle of divine intervention, the red threat suddenly imploded.

I am praying for a similar dramatic end to the Islamic threat -- but am fully aware that America's official governing ideology, secular humanism, is equally an enemy of the Lord Jesus Christ, and equally due for an appointment with destiny.

Meanwhile, I know one lady who's studying Farsi, and a guy studying Turkish, with missionary aspirations.