Will Islam Dominate the Future? (a Critique of Steyn's book)

The American Thinker ^ | November 11th, 2006 | Steven M. Warshawsky

[Man50D]

No one ideology, religious or political has ever dominated the worldwide population.

[Maneesh]

True, but the multicultural West is enabling its own suicide. Have you been to Canada or Europe recently ? Where there is a moral vacuum, Islam comes in and fills the gap which is why the last religious nation in the West, the USA is the last obstacle between freedom and tyranny.

[frankenMonkey]

I'm just finishing the last chapter, and I'm mostly depressed over the outlook. Granted, not everything in the book will come to pass, as unknown events always alter the course of history, but this book paints a rather difficult future, particularly in light of this week's elections.

Definitely a must read however...

[Thommas]

Not yet, but coming, nonetheless.

[Lion Den Dan]

No one ideology, religious or political has ever dominated the worldwide population.

Yet.

[Aetius]

Retaining 'mainsream' credibility also explains why Steyn refuses to make the logical conclusion with regards to Muslim immigration to Europe; i.e. that it must be stopped, or at least severely curtailed. Few things will turn the elite conservative establishment against a person like being an immigration restrictionist, and while the immigration problems of Europe and the United States are not identical, pro-mass immigration conservatives here don't want to see restrictionist/reductionist policies succeed in Europe because they fear they may spread across the pond to America.

[Man50D]

Not yet, but coming, nonetheless.

Only if we let it happen.

[Aetius]

Should have read;

"Few things will turn the elite conservative establishment against a person like being an immigration restrictionist (or in other words, holding conservative views on immigration)...

[mtbopfuyn]

Only if we let it happen.

We're already on the fast track of letting it happen.

[BubbaHeel]

In general I agree with pretty much every word in this piece [particularly Mr. Warshawsky's assertion that ultimately it is Islam itself which is our opponent in this war].

However, in the long term, Islam only poses a strategic threat if it is able to conquer & retain peoples with higher IQs than the peoples who now submit to its will.

The IQs of the arab & persian races are too low for regimes run by them [in and of themselves] to pose a strategic threat to the United States. [They can pose a threat when they purchase technology from higher-IQ races, such as the Chinese or the North Koreans, but they cannot develop the technology natively.]

Similarly, when the Muslims take control of Europe, the nuclear stockpiles of Britain, France, and Russia will quickly degenerate into worthless garbage, absent a human infrastructure of sufficiently well-educated, well-trained, high-IQ caucasians to maintain and service them.

So the challenge for Islam is to retain the high-IQ caucasians of Europe and to force them into some sort of dhimmitude wherein they design, build, and maintain these weapons systems in the service of Islam.

But if you want to see what happens when low-IQ third worlders take over a once vibrant, beautiful, thriving first world city, then I highly recommend you spend an hour or so following all the links at this fascinating website:

The Fabulous Ruins of Detroit

TFRoD gives you a real good idea of what London, Paris, Moscow, Rome, et al will look like in 50 to 100 years, if present trends continue unabated.

[VOA]

But Islam also is a totalitarian political ideology,...

IMHO, Islam is just a Bushido Code that happened to develop in
a desert (instead of on an island).

And it's with us still because, like greed, it works.

[Man50D]

We're already on the fast track of letting it happen.

The alternative is do nothing and let Islam rule the world. The question becomes are you willing to be subjugated or forced convert to Islamic or are you determined enough keep what you have?

[goldstategop]

Good critique of Mark Steyn's book. We are engaged in a war with Islam that will last for centuries. The question is whether America is better prepared to survive than civilizations that preceded her. If not, we will go the way of the Eastern Romans when they fell to the Ottomans in 1453.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

[SoCal Pubbie]

"No one ideology, religious or political has ever dominated the worldwide population."

Until the last fifty years or so, no one has been able to travel across half the globe in less than one day. Until the last forty years or so, no one has been able to broadcast around the world in a few minutes. Until the last fifteen years or so, no message has ever been able to be sent instantaneously all over the globe, with the push of a button.

The world, and the technology to spread ideas around it, has changed.

[Man50D]

Until the last fifty years or so, no one has been able to travel across half the globe in less than one day. Until the last forty years or so, no one has been able to broadcast around the world in a few minutes. Until the last fifteen years or so, no message has ever been able to be sent instantaneously all over the globe, with the push of a button.

That concept is true for all people, not just Muslims.

[livius]

Islam has always destroyed any society it has taken over. Spain was, at a very bleak period during the barbarian invasions from the North, the heir to Rome and had a great scholarly tradition, particularly in Southern Spain, which had been the birthplace of many Roman thinkers, writers and even emperors. Then the Muslims invaded; of course, they took credit for the all of the intellectual activity of Spain, and then bit by bit they stifled it. Because Islam was still in its very earliest phases at that point, it was not consolidated and probably more intellectual activity was allowed than would later be the norm - furthermore, the original Islamic conquerors had only themselves been recently conquered, and were from the intellectually advanced parts of the ME (such as Baghdad and Persia). However, these Muslims themselves were later conquered by more orthodox Arab Muslims, which is the constant story of Islamic countries.

Whenever Muslims are "infected" by the intellectual advances of the countries they conquer, their more orthodox brethren come along and remind them of the meaning of True Islam. Which, in short, brings death, intellectual death, and decay to any culture it subjugates.

[livius]

I don't think it would have been possible to dominate the whole world, prior to the development of modern communications and travel. This is a two-edged sword, of course, because theoretically it would also make resistance more possible. We shall see, I guess.

[SoCal Pubbie]

And the best salesmen will win. There are indications it won't be the West, thus Steyn's book.

[Albertafriend]

There are muslim groups in Canada that are "Islamizing" Inuit (Eskimo) groups in Canada's North. There is a guy on TV that has adopted an evangelical syle of preaching Islam--and he does a quite amazing imitation all the while re-interpreting the Bible from a Quranic point of view--and I have heard him give reports on them doing this. How successful they have been I don't know but they are trying.