Posted on 11/11/2006 6:54:31 AM PST by Mount Athos
"What "rest of the world" will be left...the West run by spineless and neutered males who only want to pacify the enemy in the name of peace? Good grief, we can't even name the enemy now (Islam, not "terror"). We had better wake up long before then."
At the point where people's comfortable, decadent western lifestyle starts to be impacted, then there will be a backlash. When one's whole reason for existence is to consume and be entertained, it's easy to ignore the wolf crouching at one's door. But when the ongoing party starts to suffer, people will sit up and take notice. Then it will get interesting...
Right, and my point is that, if left to their own devices, the northern African peoples, who will perform most of the "enslaving" of Europe*, are utterly incapable of managing a society, much less doing the kind of technical work required to design, build, and maintain nuclear weapons systems.
For that, Islam needs either high IQ caucasian converts, or high IQ caucasian dhimmis.
*Spengler, over at the Asia Times, has a different theory about the question of conquest & enslavement:
Why nations dieI.e. it could very well be that the native caucasian Europeans will do such an effective job of murdering their children in the wombs of their mothers [via chemical or surgical means], or after their children are born, or will practice sodomy so efficiently that the children are never born in the first place**, that eventually there will be no Europeans remaining for the Muslims to conquer - the Muslims will have simply entered into a ghost continent and claimed it as their own....Nonetheless, it seems clear that the Romans did not so much conquer Greece as to occupy its shell; that the Germanic tribes did not so much conquer Rome so much as to move into what remained of it; and that the Arabs did not so much conquer the Byzantine hinterland as migrate into it...
**I also believe that internet pornography has [and will have] a profound effect in the un-making of babies, to the extent that masturbation in the privacy of his home deprives a man [and to maybe a lesser extent, a woman] of the urge to procreate that he [or she] would retain otherwise.
"Past performance is no guarantee of future results."
We've never had cars, Kalashnikovs, instant global communication, air travel or nuclear weapons before the last few generations, either.
The world has become a LOT smaller in the past 150 years. And even with the technologies of long ago, Genghis Khan ruled the biggest empire in history.
Meant to say: or will practice sodomy so efficiently that the children are never created in the first place
I also believe that internet pornography has [and will have] a profound effect in the un-making of babies
Again, I probably should have said: I also believe that internet pornography has [and will have] a profound effect in the un-creating of babies
The point being that because of things like sodomy & internet pornography, the semen will never get deposited in the birth canal, hence the babies will never be created, hence even the abortionists won't been needed because there won't be any babies to murder in the first place.
Steyn fails to state the logical conclusion, which is that Muslim immigration must be stopped. Period.
But he is quite clear that the reason Europe can't stop the influx is BECAUSE of the Demographics. They litterally have not created enough kids to keep the wheels on the trains.
He also points out, at length, that this is made worse by the cradle to grave socialism that voters there expect. Stopping immigration would mean a huge cut in benefits to the coddled French and German citizens.
They have built a trap from which they can no longer escape.
I don't see where he calls Steyn a liar, per se. I just read it last weekend. He just says that Steyn doesn't carry the argument all the way to any exact conclusion.
All true, inasmuch as Stein stops short of writing a full prescription for his diagnosis. Which he does, mostly. He only gives a glimpse there at the end of what sorts of things the prescription may need to do. But yes, it stops there.
I think it was intentional. I think the book was intended to get people to more honestly think about the diagnosis first, before getting lost in the decidedlly un-PC talk like "Steyn declares war on all of Islam"-- which is exactly what all the fuss would have been about had he done so. The strength of the diagnosis would have gotten lost in the hysteria over the conclusions.
That the conclusions are obvious serves the point without having to go around on the book tour getting distracted by them. You got it, and I got it, and this reviewer got it. Steyn hits on it here and there. I was struck by a quote that really hung with me... something like: "There may indeed be moderate Muslims, but there is no moderate Islam". Slam. Dunk. Undeniable.
It also lets Mark write a second follow-up book on the topic and go on another book tour, so... there's that.
Quite so. They're in a trap. It may be that there is no fix for them. It's too late for Europe.
Hence the title: "America Alone".
We've never had cars, Kalashnikovs, instant global communication, air travel or nuclear weapons before the last few generations, either.
The same theory about technological advancement up to WWII could have been applied but we won that war. Technological advancements are used by both sides thus that in itself is negated.
The world has become a LOT smaller in the past 150 years. And even with the technologies of long ago, Genghis Khan ruled the biggest empire in history.
He still didn't rule the worldwide population.
People of higher IQ's have never, been enslaved by people of a higher IQ's.
Also, in terms of actual pragmatic and military accomplishments, the Romans accomplished far more than the Greeks.
Abortion will probably have the same effect on Islam that it has on America.
The fact is, terrorism is effective only at destablilizing states. There is no example of a state that has been stabilized by any type of terrorism without already having infrastructure in place. Simply because terrorists are so decentralized, it will be impossible for them to maintain nuclear weapons, IQ has little to do with it.
I would like to find a study indicating pornography's effect on birth rates, until then, your post is mere speculation.
And the first step is assert man's right to a moral existence consisting of rationality, egoism, independence, and individualism.
Assuming that you meant Muslims are 1.2 billion and this was a typo. :)
The idea for the first phase of the spread of the caliphate is to take Europe first. The US has been "warned" not to interfere with this. The Islamics know the can't "take over the world" all at once.
Here are the demos for Europe and Asia and Africa:
Asia 3,875
Africa 885
Europe 727
Total 5,487
Subtract China, Japan and India and the number is even lower at 2,973. You then have a ratio of almost 1:1 Muslim to European/western type democracies on the three geographically connecting continents in a decade assuming that Muslims procreate at the rate they are now.
I think you meant to say that "People of higher IQ's have never, been enslaved by people of a lower IQ".
There I might disagree with you - certainly you would want to consider e.g. the history of very high IQ Christians and Jews living as Dhimmis under the rule of rather low IQ arab muslims.
Consider e.g. the genealogy of Michael Atiyah, who was one of the greatest mathematicians of the 20th century - Scots mother but Lebanese Christian father.
Abortion will probably have the same effect on Islam that it has on America.
Spengler, over at the Asia Times, has written a number of columns in the last year or so about the question of declining Muslim birth rates - the upshot being that a fellow like Ahmadinejad has only a few short decades within which to act, after which time his population will have aged so much that it will be incapable of embarking on an agenda of conquest.
Which is why Spengler believes that Iran is rattling the sabres at precisely this point in time.
The fact is, terrorism is effective only at destablilizing states. There is no example of a state that has been stabilized by any type of terrorism without already having infrastructure in place. Simply because terrorists are so decentralized
Again, I'm not sure what you mean here. The whole purpose of Warshawsky's piece is to point out the tautology: ISLAM IS TERRORISM.
And Islam, while not physically "centralized", in, say, the way that Roman Catholicism is centralized in Vatican City, is, nevertheless, metaphorically centralized by the Koran & the Hadith.
As for infrastructure, the infrastructure for nuclear weaponry is already in place in Britain, France, and Russia. When the Muslims, through the strength of higher birthrates, inherit [what used to be] Britain, France, and Russia, in the 2050-2100 timeframe, then, barring an advance in genetic engineering [an advance which is very likely, by the way], the Muslims will lack the IQ necessary to maintain those weapons systems, and, without maintenance, those systems will quickly degenerate into little more than toxic nuclear waste.
Again, barring an advance in genetic engineering, the Muslims will have to either recruit high IQ caucasian converts, or retain [and enslave] high IQ caucasian dhimmis, in order to design, build, and maintain those systems.
And as above, I would urge everyone to pay a visit to a most fascinating website, which chronicles in great detail the effect of abandoning a once vibrant, flourishing, hi-tech economy, and leaving it in the hands of a race of low-IQ thugs, crooks, criminals, and con-men:
The Fabulous Ruins of Detroit
"People of higher IQ's have never, been enslaved by people of a higher IQ's." - JohnFianna
Gee, where are these Stanford-Benet results posted?
And, presuming you do have the scores, does the Egyptian Captivity fit your thesis?
I think it's most definitely possible that in the right circumstances, high IQ people could be enslaved by peoples of a much lower IQ.
Consider, for instance, what has happened in Robert Mugabe's Zimbabwe.
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