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1 posted on 11/11/2006 6:54:32 AM PST by Mount Athos
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No one ideology, religious or political has ever dominated the worldwide population.
2 posted on 11/11/2006 6:57:34 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax , you earn it , you keep it!)
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Retaining 'mainsream' credibility also explains why Steyn refuses to make the logical conclusion with regards to Muslim immigration to Europe; i.e. that it must be stopped, or at least severely curtailed. Few things will turn the elite conservative establishment against a person like being an immigration restrictionist, and while the immigration problems of Europe and the United States are not identical, pro-mass immigration conservatives here don't want to see restrictionist/reductionist policies succeed in Europe because they fear they may spread across the pond to America.


7 posted on 11/11/2006 7:15:52 AM PST by Aetius
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In general I agree with pretty much every word in this piece [particularly Mr. Warshawsky's assertion that ultimately it is Islam itself which is our opponent in this war].

However, in the long term, Islam only poses a strategic threat if it is able to conquer & retain peoples with higher IQs than the peoples who now submit to its will.

The IQs of the arab & persian races are too low for regimes run by them [in and of themselves] to pose a strategic threat to the United States. [They can pose a threat when they purchase technology from higher-IQ races, such as the Chinese or the North Koreans, but they cannot develop the technology natively.]

Similarly, when the Muslims take control of Europe, the nuclear stockpiles of Britain, France, and Russia will quickly degenerate into worthless garbage, absent a human infrastructure of sufficiently well-educated, well-trained, high-IQ caucasians to maintain and service them.

So the challenge for Islam is to retain the high-IQ caucasians of Europe and to force them into some sort of dhimmitude wherein they design, build, and maintain these weapons systems in the service of Islam.

But if you want to see what happens when low-IQ third worlders take over a once vibrant, beautiful, thriving first world city, then I highly recommend you spend an hour or so following all the links at this fascinating website:

The Fabulous Ruins of Detroit
TFRoD gives you a real good idea of what London, Paris, Moscow, Rome, et al will look like in 50 to 100 years, if present trends continue unabated.
11 posted on 11/11/2006 7:21:24 AM PST by BubbaHeel
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But Islam also is a totalitarian political ideology,...

IMHO, Islam is just a Bushido Code that happened to develop in
a desert (instead of on an island).

And it's with us still because, like greed, it works.
12 posted on 11/11/2006 7:21:36 AM PST by VOA
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Good critique of Mark Steyn's book. We are engaged in a war with Islam that will last for centuries. The question is whether America is better prepared to survive than civilizations that preceded her. If not, we will go the way of the Eastern Romans when they fell to the Ottomans in 1453.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

14 posted on 11/11/2006 7:29:11 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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I've come to the conclusion that if true Islamics were smart they would let Iraq succeed.

The world is watching to see if Islam is compatible with any other type of government other than an Islamic state.

If Iraq fails and the Islamics in Western societies fail to assimilate, the only recourse left will be to declare Islam, as taught by the Koran, to be a political party intent on overthrowing sovereign governments.

If this incompatibility is found to be true, there will be push to create laws to ban the doctrines of the Koran and those who follow it. With no infiltration of Muslims in non-Islamic countries, the plan for the soft take over of the West will then be cut off at it's knees and the only recourse left to Islam will be to let the Islamofascists spread the caliphate with an all out militarily front.

Terrorism will be defeated one way or another.

21 posted on 11/11/2006 7:43:24 AM PST by Earthdweller
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Thanks for posting. Interesting.

We are witnessing the greatest anti-truth, anti-freedom, anti-individual, anti-life collective in the history of civilization.


22 posted on 11/11/2006 7:46:48 AM PST by PGalt
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It's all in Daniel 8. The Ram and the He-Goat. The Ram conquers at first, but then the He-Goat takes back what was lost and smashes the Ram.


23 posted on 11/11/2006 7:46:56 AM PST by rjp2005 (Lord have mercy on us)
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I'm about half way through the book. It is a must read. The demographic numbers clearly show where the end will come. A possible solution is the immediate outlaw of the practice of Islam in the western countries and then begin deporting, jailing and execution of those who resist. There is no other solution.

I also think we should begin the transfer of all European historical, cultural and archaeological artifacts to the US for protection. This sounds harsh...but, just look at the birth/death numbers, it's all over for Europe.

24 posted on 11/11/2006 7:51:37 AM PST by blam
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A real issue for "debate" being which will be the better master, the Mexican or the Muslim? After the plunder and rapine settles down the Muslim will give a purer life i.e. suppression of the sodomite etc. However, both govern by bribery and corruption. It is a hard choice.


35 posted on 11/11/2006 8:32:42 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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Well, let's allow that both Mark & Steve are correct, because they are NOT mutually exclusive.

It would require between 3 and 10 books to fully address Mark's 10 points, to start outlining an energy policiy is easy:
Focus on nuclear power with common, primary designs and erase the 7 years of upfront paperwork.
Drill in ANWR and offshore.
It is ridiculous to preclude U.S. companied from drilling while foreign companies drill within 50 miles and steal our oil.
ANWR can be done cleanly and is NOT the green pastures portrayed in the ads. Further, the claims about the limits of the reserves there are fatuous, because the clowns have prohibited any measuring.
DO NOT waste money on low ROI alternatives like wind and solar, at least until they're proven more efficient on a smaller scale.
Through the envrio's a bone by raising CAFE standards.
Toyota & Honda have proven it's possible.


39 posted on 11/11/2006 8:59:35 AM PST by G Larry (Only strict constructionists on the Supreme Court!)
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Since Western Europe wanted to avoid all the problems that involved Islam and the Middle East, North and South America were discovered and the rest of the world was explored. There's going to be a reckoning.


92 posted on 11/11/2006 10:14:37 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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With any significant resurgence of nationalism, however, will come, inevitably, ethnic and religious chauvinism. While such chauvinism does not have to devolve into murderous fascism, it will result in a less tolerant and accommodating attitude towards foreigners.

And it will be about bloody time!

106 posted on 11/12/2006 4:49:09 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Mashed potatoes, gravy, and cranberry sauce! Wooooooo-oooooooo!)
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