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"A CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER" (Not the Tom Clancy novel)
Free Republic ^ | 11/12/2006 | gonzo

Posted on 11/12/2006 7:35:46 PM PST by gonzo

The following are copys of e-mails that I've sent to my employees up North (I live in Florida now), and Jim Robinson...

"Re: What's goin' on...

To Jim Robinson | 10/19/2006 4:43:47 AM EDT sent

Howdy Jim. Barry/gonzo here. What follows is an e-mail that I sent to my troops up North at my Company in South Bend, Indiana. They're a bunch of rabid VRWC buffs, and they wanted my take on world events, after I had warned them to 'keep their powder dry'.

A few days later, I sent this to Jim:

BTW, Jim, those TU-142's are actually TU-95's, an upgraded version of the 142. A little stronger, but still a 'Bear'. My bad. I flagged you on a thread about them.

............Barry/gonzo I didn't want to post it as a thread on FR because, well, I think I'm close to being right, and 'loose lips and all...'."
Here goes, with some other observations afterwards:

To my employees and JimRob:
Baryshery@aol.com wrote:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1719198/posts

This link is part of a good look at the Enemies of the USA. There are active links on the thread that are also excellent, especially # 20.
READ THIS BEFORE YOU CLICK THE LINK, PLEASE:

I don't often write messages like this - in fact, not for 28 years as I remember, so here goes:

North Korea claims to have recently tested a nuclear bomb. This is highly unlikely, given all the intel that has been obtained, but they did explode something, on the order of about 800,000 pounds of TNT (tri-nitro-toluene), which is possible. Whether or not the little maniac running that Country has or can make a working A-Bomb in the future is irrelevant. North Korea is now under a virtual blockade of any shipments of any nuclear materials out of Korea, courtesy of the UN (the UN is a joke, but the votes are in, and Korean goods can and will be siezed on the high seas as necessary).
What is important is that they have already shipped a number of their possibly operational Big-Dong missles to Iran! Those missles in Iran can reach Israel, all of Europe, and much of Russia and Asia.

Now, I'm the only one here(at BAMAR) that can remember the Korean War as current events. China entered the Korean War on the side of the North (unofficially) when it appeared that the UN-Allied powers were about to defeat North Korea. China is now stuck with NK as their very-own bastard stepchild. I love the irony of it, because China doesn't want a nuke-enabled NK either, so they voted for blockade! So, for all intensive purposes, NK is no further problem.

Now, Iran: Iran is now making fissile material (stuff-that-goes-big-bang) for nuclear weapons, and will have enough material for their first A-Bomb before April, 2007, and possibly by December, 2006.
The guy in charge in Iran, who I call 'Amanutjob', is insane, and has often said, amongst other things, that he intends to destroy Israel, the United States, and anyone else that doesn't convert to Islam, and I believe he is sincere. He's crazy, but he's not kidding!
He also welcomes Armageddon, even and especially a nuclear one, and I believe him!
I think that he must be stopped, and that he will be stopped!

I hoped that our President Bush would be strong enough to give the order to destroy Irans' nuclear capability with conventional arms (and we have them in quantity), even if the USA had to go it alone. Logistically, Israel doesn't have the means, and is too far away to do it without using nukes, so it's up to the USA.
Middle-last week it was reported that Russia was activating quite a number of their old TU-142 Bear intercontinental bombers. These are relics of the Cold War, and wouldn't stand a chance going up against any defenses of the US, Britain, or even France (if France didn't surrender first). They can, however, carry and drop a huge bomb load over distance, and they were reliable. Therefore, I think Russia's in the coming fight on the side of 'the Good Guys'.

So, I said all that, to say this:
I think that sometime after the elections on November 7, (vote, dammit!) and before April, 2007, Irans' nuclear capabilities are going to be seriously attrited (we're gonna bomb the very-living-shit outa their facilities) using conventional weapons. We're also going to secure Irans' Southern oil facilities to protect them (Google - Maps of Iran), and also protect the Straits of Hormuz (see Maps...) by invading Iran from Iraq. (Gee, who would have thought that we'd already be in Iraq?)
When this starts (shit-hitting-the-fan), every so-called Mosque in the USA and in other Countries becomes a potential den of murderous zealots. Christians and Jews don't store weapons and explosives in their Churches and Synagogues, but Moslems do it all the time!!

It may be prudent to take steps to be able to protect ourselves before anything bad happens.
I could be wrong, but I don't think so.
Neville Chamberlain (Google) was wrong, and about 90,000,000 souls subsequently perished.
I've read the Bible, both Testaments.
I've read the Koran (Quran), and it sucks!
Islam is not a religion - it is a cult of death.
I'm reading up on The Crusades now.(I think we're in one again, and this time, it's for keeps!)

I'll be happy to answer any questions. This is the longest letter I've ever written, and I can't even type!

Stay well, y'all, and hope to see you soon......................Barry

PS: And I thought the only nutbars I'd have to think about were these wierd Scientologists around
here..............B
End of e-mail.

To JimRob:
Additional info (and I don't want to dig too deep):

The USAF is presently working out of an Air Base in far Eastern Russia (Base name unknown), WITH the Russians. There was a ground collision accident there with a plane subsequently burning up. A USAF Tanker (KC-135 or KC-10) was involved. The story made page 99, and then went down the memory hole. I think we're arming the Russians with Smart Bombs, and possibly helping with mid-air re-fueling.

My personal opinion is that a three-pronged attack plan is being hatched:

#1)-The USA and Great Britain (and others) are in Iraq, and will commence Air and Ground ops against Iran as noted above. There may well be an amphibious incursion in the East (Google Maps of Iran).All conventional weaponry.

#2)-Israel will move North into Lebanon and finish-off Hizbolla (it made NO sense for them to stop last time), and will probably continue into Syria. The USA and Brits will probably lend Air cover as needed. All conventional weaponry.

#3)-Russia will probably be tasked with bombing the North Korean nuclear-bomb facilities, and maybe not the nuclear power plants - anybodys guess, but L'il Kim gets dead.
The Russians may help in Iran in the second wave of bombings as necessary, because those TU-142's are just too damned noisy. All conventional weaponry.

#4)-China will cooperate with all sides, but will stay out of the fight. Instead, I think they'll provide safe air passage and any intel they can. Theirs has become a peculiar form of Communism, and is actually transitioning into the biggest Capitalist Country in the World. They're not going to attack their largest market - the USA - and so, will become our new best friend.

#5)-After the initial destruction is completed, we'll probably call a time-out on the field, and ask the muzzies if they want to quit their evil ways, or would they like us to get serious with Nuclear Weapons?

#6)-It depends on their answer to #5!

Jim, when 9/11 happened, I knew in my gut that the muzzies (wogs) were going to NEED an object lesson in order to change their minds, just as the Germans and Japanese needed Dresden, Hamburg, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki to change theirs.
It is no accident that the USA is presently in Iraq, effectively splitting Syria and Iran, and positioned to take and hold the important parts of Iran.
I think that we know where all the Iraqi WMD's are buried in Syria, and that they're Chem and Bio weapons, that we'll burn later.

In my conversations with my troops (employees) up North, I've just cautioned them to be prepared for the possibility of some internal civil unrest here in the USA, started by Islamaniacs that are already here, in their mosques. It'll take some time for local Police to regain control.

Well, that's it so far, Jim! After the elections and before April, 2007! As I pick up more data, I'll add to this.


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The single thing that happenned that stuck in my mind for days, was the re-appearance of the Russian TU-95 Bear bombers.
The Soviet Union used to fly them over the North Pole (as TU-142's) almost daily, just to probe our Air Defence Systems, and, of course, our Air Force would always respond. We did the same with our B-52's for quite a while, too. After years of this, it became a game for both sides, but it still went on.

After the Fall of the Soviet Union, Russia quit flying those sorties, and mothballed their fleet sometime around 1990. It was expensive and pointless.

The TU-95, a variant-upgrade of the TU-142, is their most durable heavy-lifter for bombs, and compares favourably with our B-52. I'll post some links later here.

I'll also post what links I still have to some of stories mentioned here (I lost some while trying to save my bookmarks - wish I was better at this 'puter stuff).

Well, that's my opinion, and I'm stickin' to it! I hope President Bush is working on something like this.

The UN is a joke, and, like the 'League-of-Nations', should cease-to-exist! Flame away...

1 posted on 11/12/2006 7:35:50 PM PST by gonzo
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To: gonzo

very interesting theory!!


2 posted on 11/12/2006 7:42:08 PM PST by Jewels1091
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To: Jim Robinson; M Kehoe; Matchett-PI; oldglory; mcmuffin; Tommyjo; DoctorZIn; Thunder90; ...
Well, here it goes, Jim.

There's more: A Chinese sub apparently was able to sneak-up on the USS Kittyhawk today, within torpedo range, then surfaced and waved! Just heard on DRUDGE!

Any ping lists welcome - I don't have one..........FRegards

3 posted on 11/12/2006 7:43:35 PM PST by gonzo (I'm not confused anymore. Now I'm sure we have to completely destroy Islam, and FAST!!)
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To: gonzo

Do we actually KNOW a Chinese sub sneaked up on the KH, or is it possible that they did not, but we wanted them to think they did?


4 posted on 11/12/2006 7:47:42 PM PST by arjay (I would rather be right than consistent.)
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To: Bob Ireland; Pan_Yans Wife; fat city; freedom44; Tamsey; Grampa Dave; PhiKapMom; Hinoki Cypress

FYI, and comments............FRegards


5 posted on 11/12/2006 7:48:20 PM PST by gonzo (I'm not confused anymore. Now I'm sure we have to completely destroy Islam, and FAST!!)
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To: gonzo

Hmmm. I seem to remember something about some sonar technology that the Chinese got from Clinton. Very unsettling story about the sub, if true.


6 posted on 11/12/2006 7:49:24 PM PST by Miss Marple (Lord, thank you for Mozart Lover's son's safe return, and look after Jemian's son, please!)
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To: gonzo
I'm not buying the "sneaked up on" part of the China sub story.
7 posted on 11/12/2006 7:53:04 PM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: arjay

It's up on DRUDGE now - a newspaper, but no story yet. Stay well...........FRegards


8 posted on 11/12/2006 7:53:07 PM PST by gonzo (I'm not confused anymore. Now I'm sure we have to completely destroy Islam, and FAST!!)
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To: gonzo

bttt

What about this idea?:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1736972/posts?page=14#14


9 posted on 11/12/2006 7:54:17 PM PST by Matchett-PI (To have no voice in the Party that always sides with America's enemies is a badge of honor.)
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To: Miss Marple; Izzy Dunne

Guess we'll have to read it later. Matt's doing his show now.........FRegards


10 posted on 11/12/2006 7:55:43 PM PST by gonzo (I'm not confused anymore. Now I'm sure we have to completely destroy Islam, and FAST!!)
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To: FrogHawk

ping


11 posted on 11/12/2006 7:57:50 PM PST by toomanygrasshoppers ("In technical terminology, he's a loon")
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To: gonzo

Boy, gonz, you've spent some serious midnight oil on this. Good observations, and certainly a credible theory. I'm not sure what to make of it ...


12 posted on 11/12/2006 7:59:06 PM PST by IronJack
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To: Matchett-PI
Good catch, Jan. I forgot to add the ops in and around the Persian Gulf. That's why we're there!

Thanks for the link! That's one I wanted. Stay well, sweetie............FRegards

13 posted on 11/12/2006 7:59:06 PM PST by gonzo (I'm not confused anymore. Now I'm sure we have to completely destroy Islam, and FAST!!)
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To: gonzo
"by invading Iran from Iraq"

That would require a single area of Iraq, with massive facilities, where we could be sure there were no Iran sympathizers.

How likely is that? The troop and material requirements would be enormous just to secure an area in Iraq that large.

Hard to believe we because neither have the resources there, nor the reserves here to undertake that sort of operation. Does anyone believe that all the troops and civilian contractors involved could keep quiet about that sort of effort?

This is let alone that fact we have not been able to secure the Iraq oil facilities.. except the off shore platforms (go Navy!).
14 posted on 11/12/2006 8:02:00 PM PST by JSteff
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To: IronJack
Thanks, John. Yer right - many late nights trying to snoop around without screwing-up, and I lose my bookmarks!

Just ... Damn! Stay safe and well, pal............FRegards

15 posted on 11/12/2006 8:03:13 PM PST by gonzo (I'm not confused anymore. Now I'm sure we have to completely destroy Islam, and FAST!!)
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To: gonzo
Well, that's my opinion, and I'm stickin' to it! I hope President Bush is working on something like this.

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Wishful thinking...it would effectively prevent armegeddon, but most likely will not occur. What will occur is disengagement in Iraq combined with a deal with Iran to control Iraq in return for Israeli right to exist if they return Golan Heights and west bank to Syria and Palestinian state. Threat will be that if this is violated we will use nukes to take out Iran nukes and Syria. Ballistic missile defense might be deployed in Russia, and possibly Saudi Arabia. Us troops might even be allowed to have bases and support in Sunni areas of Iraq. This will be done behind scenes through Baker et al.Iran will accept this because they will play us for fools until the beef up their nukes to be able to wage war and wipe out Israel and Europe. That will take years of development and coordination between nuke and missile programs. This fantasy, of course, is no more likely than gonzo's. God only knows what will happen.....be prepared for anything and Pray.
16 posted on 11/12/2006 8:15:22 PM PST by photodawg
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To: JSteff
Re - #14: 'Go Navy' is absolutely right! The first ops would be by air, but the Navy will be doing some heavy-hauling thereafter.

As far as boots and their stuff on-the-ground goes, the men and materials are already there, and it's about time that the Iraqi gummint took care of their own problems.

Thanks............FRegards

17 posted on 11/12/2006 8:17:18 PM PST by gonzo (I'm not confused anymore. Now I'm sure we have to completely destroy Islam, and FAST!!)
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To: gonzo

How does Bush do these things now without getting impeached? Is Israel on it's own RE Iran now?


18 posted on 11/12/2006 8:18:54 PM PST by GOP Jedi (Democracy, Immigration, Multiculturalism -- Pick Any Two)
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To: gonzo
There's more: A Chinese sub apparently was able to sneak-up on the USS Kittyhawk today, within torpedo range, then surfaced and waved! Just heard on DRUDGE!

Umm. Are we allowed to sink Chinese subs that shadow our ships? We are not at war with China so far as I know. I thought that our navy used to play chicken every now and then with the Soviets but I don't think we sank them.

19 posted on 11/12/2006 8:19:18 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The only good Mullah is a dead Mullah. The only good Mosque is the one that used to be there.)
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To: gonzo
I think that we know where all the Iraqi WMD's are buried in Syria, and that they're Chem and Bio weapons, that we'll burn later.

There's an almost perfect storm brewing.

And you're right about those WMD; nearly everyone tasked with finding Iraq's WMD believes they are in Syria.

Moshe Yaalon, who was Israel's top general, said Iraq transported WMD to Syria six weeks before Operation Iraqi Freedom began.

John A. Shaw, a former U.S. deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security, said Russian Spetsnaz units moved WMD to Syria and Lebanon's Bekaa Valley.

"While in Iraq I received information from several sources naming the exact Russian units, what they took and where they took both WMD materials and conventional explosives," Mr. Shaw told NewsMax reporter Charles Smith.

Retired Marine Lt. Gen. Michael DeLong was deputy commander of Central Command during Operation Iraqi Freedom. In September 2004, he told WABC radio that "I do know for a fact that some of those weapons went into Syria, Lebanon and Iran."

In January 2004, David Kay, the first head of the Iraq Survey Group which conducted the search for Saddam's WMD, told a British newspaper there was evidence unspecified materials had been moved to Syria from Iraq shortly before the war.

"We know from some of the interrogations of former Iraqi officials that a lot of material went to Syria before the war, including some components of Saddam's WMD program," Mr. Kay told the Sunday Telegraph.

Also that month, Nizar Nayuf, a Syrian journalist who defected to an undisclosed European country, told a Dutch newspaper he knew of three sites where Iraq's WMD was being kept. They were the town of al Baida near the city of Hama in northern Syria; the Syrian air force base near the village of Tal Snan, and the city of Sjinsar on the border with Lebanon.

In an addendum to his final report last April, Charles Duelfer, who succeeded David Kay as head of the Iraq Survey Group, said he couldn't rule out a transfer of WMD from Iraq to Syria.

"There was evidence of a discussion of possible WMD collaboration initiated by a Syrian security officer, and ISG received information about movement of material out of Iraq, including the possibility that WMD was involved. In the judgment of the working group, these reports were sufficiently credible to merit further investigation," Mr. Duelfer said.

In a briefing for reporters in October 2003, retired Air Force Lt. Gen. James Clapper Jr., who was head of the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency when the Iraq war began, said satellite imagery showed a heavy flow of traffic from Iraq into Syria just before the American invasion.

"I think the people below Saddam Hussein and his sons' level saw what was coming and decided the best thing to do was to destroy and disperse," Lt. Gen. Clapper said.

20 posted on 11/12/2006 8:29:36 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: gonzo

bumping for later...


21 posted on 11/12/2006 8:39:41 PM PST by redhead (70,000 Military Veterans call Alaska "Home." It's nice to feel so protected)
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To: photodawg; Thunder90
Yer # 16: Your scenario is quite possible, also.

I tend to think that the USA, Russia, and now China have suffered enough deaths and mayhem at the hands of Islam.

China cut-off oil supplies to North Korea!

I forgot to add that one in the thread.

It doesn't matter what anyone calls it - radical islam, Al Qeda, islamofacism, etc., it's still Islam, and the Koran! Neville Chamberlain was an effete politician who thought he could make a deal with Nazis. He was wrong! History mourns the dead because of him.

We can't afford another deal-with-the-devil now that there are nukes involved. I hope our President realizes that and will act soon to save civilization. Stay well.........FRegards

22 posted on 11/12/2006 8:42:26 PM PST by gonzo (I'm not confused anymore. Now I'm sure we have to completely destroy Islam, and FAST!!)
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To: Peach

Great research as always, Peach, thanks.

Don't know what to think of all this, though... Doesn't Congress have Bush's hands tied from taking any new military action?


23 posted on 11/12/2006 8:44:33 PM PST by Tamzee (Thomas Jefferson - "Every difference of opinion is not a difference of principle.")
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To: photodawg
I think you are close, but here is my take.

Baker, Gates, Rice and Powell will talk the Iraq problem to death.

We will slowly ease out of Iraq. Iran and Syria will fill in the vacuum.

Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Egypt will then have Jordan and the Saudis in a vice so they will be forced to join up or be overrun by the crazies.

Now this axis will control so much of the world's oil the pressure on Europe will be unbearable. The huge Muslim population in Europe and England will make it even more difficult. Europe will capitulate. The English, as silly as they can be at times, are the toughest people in the world. It will be a bloodbath, but they will cure their Muslim problem one way or another when it comes to the decision time.

The Iranian axis will use oil money to build nuke weapons. That will ensure that Europe gives up.

Not a shot will be fired, other than the usual terrorist stuff.

That will leave England, China, Japan and Australia as US allies.

At that point, something really big will happen.

I see Russia as playing all ends against the middle and siding with no one in the open, but selling nukes to Iran while selling oil and gas to Europe, probably at an inflated price.

Only when it reaches this point, will the American people wake up. And then we will have to use nukes. It will be too big for foot soldiers.

Bush made a very bad mistake in trying to sell the Iraq war as a wonderful Christian thing to do; make Iraq a democracy. The man on the street does not give a flip whether the Iraqis have democracy.

Bush should have sold it for what it is: Europe 1930-39 .
24 posted on 11/12/2006 8:53:58 PM PST by woodbutcher
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To: GOP Jedi
"...How does Bush do these things now without getting impeached? Is Israel on it's own RE Iran now?..."

If President Bush acts as I've described, the dimocRATS can pound sand in frustration!

Our President, and the leaders of Russia, China, et al, would be World Heroes where it counts for finally stopping the islamoidiocy. And it would finally be open-season on ANY person, people, or group that advocates islamoviolence. They'll have to write a new koran!

The UN would collapse and all its' inhabitants would be sent packing!

Who would be stupid enough to try impeachment then? Stay well..............FRegards

25 posted on 11/12/2006 8:57:30 PM PST by gonzo (I'm not confused anymore. Now I'm sure we have to completely destroy Islam, and FAST!!)
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To: gonzo
CAUTION: Looking into the Palantir is dangerous.


26 posted on 11/12/2006 9:05:11 PM PST by unspun (What do you think? Please think, before you answer.)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
"...Umm. Are we allowed to sink Chinese subs that shadow our ships? We are not at war with China so far as I know. I thought that our navy used to play chicken every now and then with the Soviets but I don't think we sank them..."

Nope! It's a game. Everybody tries-out their stuff just to see what works and what doesn't.

Not unlike the old Bear-games over the Arctic. I met some USAF pilots once who had done that duty in the 80's. Their stories were funny-as-hell.

Nobody shoots nuthin'................FRegards

27 posted on 11/12/2006 9:06:16 PM PST by gonzo (I'm not confused anymore. Now I'm sure we have to completely destroy Islam, and FAST!!)
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To: Peach
Your # 20: Thanks for your post, Peach. You're spot-on, friend! Stay well armed and safe..........FRegards
28 posted on 11/12/2006 9:12:17 PM PST by gonzo (I'm not confused anymore. Now I'm sure we have to completely destroy Islam, and FAST!!)
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To: Izzy Dunne

Check these out

China Tries to Keep Quiet
November 7, 2006:

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htsub/articles/20061107.aspx

If you doubt how screwed up the large aircraft-carrier-centric U.S. Navy is, here's a report:

Is the U.S. Navy Overrated?
www.knightsbridgeuniversity.com/documents/Is%20the%20US.%20Navy%20overrated.pdf.

AMERICA'S ACUPUNCTURE POINTS
PART 2: The assassin's mace
By Victor N Corpus

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/HJ20Ad01.html


29 posted on 11/12/2006 9:12:40 PM PST by dgallo51 (DEMAND IMMEDIATE, OPEN INVESTIGATIONS OF U.S. COMPLICITY IN RWANDAN GENOCIDE!)
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To: gonzo

There is some really interesting information in your work, but the conclusion is not correct.

It will go as in my post #24.

You make the assumption that Bush will do something and he will not.

The arrival of Baker, Gates and Hamilton means that we are entering a phase of deals, over and under the table, with the State Department heavily involved as well.

Bush has had is fill with war. He is now going to go the "lets make a deal" route.


30 posted on 11/12/2006 9:14:36 PM PST by woodbutcher
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To: woodbutcher

Don't forget the impact of our new and closer relations with the Nation of India, who are also noo friends of the Islamofacists. Their strategic position in the world, as well as their military might and skilled manpower are an invaluable asset to your scenario. I believe they are our long term allies in this conflict.


31 posted on 11/12/2006 9:16:41 PM PST by LachlanMinnesota
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To: gonzo
Flame away...

Nope.

32 posted on 11/12/2006 9:21:12 PM PST by null and void ("Jihad" just means "[My] Struggle", but then again, so does "Mein Kampf"...)
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To: gonzo

bttt


33 posted on 11/12/2006 9:22:40 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: LachlanMinnesota
I think you are right.

And you also bring up something else by mentioning India.

Pakistan. It is likely that Pak will go with the Muslim world. It is just one assassin's bullet away from that now.

When that happens, what happens in Afghanistan?

Of course there are other factors, but it is hard to think of all of them this late at night.
34 posted on 11/12/2006 9:22:44 PM PST by woodbutcher
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To: woodbutcher
Did George Noory suddenly start Web-hosting this site?
35 posted on 11/12/2006 9:23:58 PM PST by unspun (What do you think? Please think, before you answer.)
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To: gonzo

bombs away captain ...


36 posted on 11/12/2006 9:24:40 PM PST by John Lenin (The most dangerous place for a child in America is indeed in its mother's womb)
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To: unspun

I am not smart enough to get it.


37 posted on 11/12/2006 9:25:47 PM PST by woodbutcher
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To: Izzy Dunne

Sorry about the bad link…this provides the report in html, about halfway through the page…

Is the U.S. Navy Overrated (5.1)
An Updated Knightsbridge Working Paper
Copyright 2004 By Roger Thompson
Professor of Military Studies, Knightsbridge University.

http://www.combatreform.com/itsgindex.htm


38 posted on 11/12/2006 9:26:15 PM PST by dgallo51 (DEMAND IMMEDIATE, OPEN INVESTIGATIONS OF U.S. COMPLICITY IN RWANDAN GENOCIDE!)
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To: gonzo
They can, however, carry and drop a huge bomb load over distance, and they were reliable. Therefore, I think Russia's in the coming fight on the side of 'the Good Guys'.

Well, considering Mr. IwannaJihad hates the Russians, too, for spoiling the plans of the World Islamic State in the 'stans', and with the help of Dear Leader, has missles that can reach Russia in short order, I would think it prudent for the Russians to take measures to protect themselves. And if that means a pre-emptive strike against a Nuke facility in Iran, so be it. Russia knows WE certainly won't be voting to condemn them at the UN.

39 posted on 11/12/2006 9:32:08 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: woodbutcher
Your #'s 24 and 30: Thanks for your input, woodbutcher, I appreciate it! It really is Europe, 1930-1939 again, and I'm hoping President Bush acts soon to avoid a nuclear war in the future.

I don't think Amanutjob is going to build a nuclear arsenal - I think he'll throw them at Israel as soon as he's got them.

I still hope our President is up to it. Stay well armed and safe!............FRegards

40 posted on 11/12/2006 9:34:04 PM PST by gonzo (I'm not confused anymore. Now I'm sure we have to completely destroy Islam, and FAST!!)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

I suspect that the Kittyhawk had known they were there for a while, probably already knew the serial numbers of the boat. Chinese subs aren't exactly stealthy.


41 posted on 11/12/2006 9:34:14 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: woodbutcher
There will also be a period when the Malaysian area will erupt in support of the Mid-eastern Islamofacists. Australia and New Zealand and Japan, will be the main counterpoise in the Western Pacific for the near term, but Japan has to spool up and fast.

South Korea will remain in place to defend itself against Korea.

When this happens, the south American anti-American crowd will begin serious agitation against US interests.

Western Africa will also be another safe haven for the terrorists, as they are now, and we will put few responses into stopping that because we will be so busy elsewhere.

IMHO we need to begin a draft as a complement to the existing forces, and we need to bring up to speed our ability to supply ourselves and our allies on multiple fronts.

However, these plans will not take place because there will be no support for this in Congress. Without support there, no action will be taken and a great deal will happen in the world while we watch.

We can stop it now by a strong policy of intervention. It will cost the fewest lives to do it now, before they have nukes, rather than wait for the very public displays of horror that the common masses will see as the proof that we are under attack in the West.
42 posted on 11/12/2006 9:34:50 PM PST by LachlanMinnesota
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To: SuziQ

My understanding of the recent news is that the Russions will not take part in any embargo, cessation of weapons sales, etc., with Iran.

Why then would expect them to suddenly send aircraft to bomb them?

No one is going to do anything but talk, talk, talk.

Europe 1930-1938 all over.


43 posted on 11/12/2006 9:36:50 PM PST by woodbutcher
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To: dgallo51

the entire Former Soviet Union and China are expected to have massive military exercises early next year.


44 posted on 11/12/2006 9:36:52 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: woodbutcher
Bush made a very bad mistake in trying to sell the Iraq war as a wonderful Christian thing to do; make Iraq a democracy. The man on the street does not give a flip whether the Iraqis have democracy.

Bush should have sold it for what it is: Europe 1930-39 .

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Interesting scenario, except I think Russia will overtly side with islam and China will take no side.

As far as Bush and this war, I believe Don't start something you can't finish. In the Paranoia following 9-11 and the urge to resolve the crisis. The Iraq policy was formulated too hastily. Bush and neocons knew the American public would support limited response to 9-11 threats and hence portrayed Iraq and Hussein as bogeyman, thinking they could do an updated desert storm. They greatly misunderestimated (smile) the strength of islamic jihad, and were now caught in a battle that became the major front in the war on islam, with Iran pulling the strings. America is not at the consciousness level politically to ruthlessly fight the third world war and would not stand for escalation of this preemptive strike that produced no WMD's. We need to be on a war footing and only the conservative one third of our people are ready to make the sacrifices necessary to ruthlessly destroy this enemy, i.e. to nuke iran, and deport muslims in US. consequently Bush had to settle for the possible, which was this democratic mission to save islam from itself. The libs will attack any war we fight and have the media to spin things out of control. This is why I think we will make a deal with Iran to give them their nuke program, Iraq and Palestine state, in return for allowing Israel to exist, and US withdrawal. It will buy us time but little else, and nuclear war will be outcome to about 70% probability regardless. We might, further along in the scenario, be willing to relocate Israel to prevent nuke war. and hope muslims will be satisfied with entire middle east and Europe.
45 posted on 11/12/2006 9:37:34 PM PST by photodawg
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To: gonzo

Didn't Russia also cut off all supplies to North Korea, including severing oil contracts???


46 posted on 11/12/2006 9:38:31 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: dgallo51

Russia has but one carrier. Carriers are needed for our type of warfare (Theatre based), but is not needed for Russia's or China's type of warfare (Strategic based). Also, Russia has hypersonic torpedoes that can take out our carriers from tens of miles away by a sub.


47 posted on 11/12/2006 9:40:24 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: photodawg

Russia and China will stay to themselves and attack America later, after Islam and the US fight it out.


48 posted on 11/12/2006 9:42:12 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: gonzo

The SCO exercises were designed to subdue a renegade country. That exercise may point to North Korea. China and Russia may attack that country jointly if it doesn't comply and stop building nukes.


49 posted on 11/12/2006 9:44:19 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: Thunder90

Yeah…Our 'Stragic Partnership' has MORPHED…I'm shocked, shocked I tell you!

You might want to surf around this site…

http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/surface/default.asp


50 posted on 11/12/2006 9:45:21 PM PST by dgallo51 (DEMAND IMMEDIATE, OPEN INVESTIGATIONS OF U.S. COMPLICITY IN RWANDAN GENOCIDE!)
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