"A CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER" (Not the Tom Clancy novel)

Free Republic ^ | 11/12/2006 | gonzo

[SuziQ]

I suspect that the Kittyhawk had known they were there for a while, probably already knew the serial numbers of the boat. Chinese subs aren't exactly stealthy.

[LachlanMinnesota]

There will also be a period when the Malaysian area will erupt in support of the Mid-eastern Islamofacists. Australia and New Zealand and Japan, will be the main counterpoise in the Western Pacific for the near term, but Japan has to spool up and fast.

South Korea will remain in place to defend itself against Korea.

When this happens, the south American anti-American crowd will begin serious agitation against US interests.

Western Africa will also be another safe haven for the terrorists, as they are now, and we will put few responses into stopping that because we will be so busy elsewhere.

IMHO we need to begin a draft as a complement to the existing forces, and we need to bring up to speed our ability to supply ourselves and our allies on multiple fronts.

However, these plans will not take place because there will be no support for this in Congress. Without support there, no action will be taken and a great deal will happen in the world while we watch.

We can stop it now by a strong policy of intervention. It will cost the fewest lives to do it now, before they have nukes, rather than wait for the very public displays of horror that the common masses will see as the proof that we are under attack in the West.

[woodbutcher]

My understanding of the recent news is that the Russions will not take part in any embargo, cessation of weapons sales, etc., with Iran.

Why then would expect them to suddenly send aircraft to bomb them?

No one is going to do anything but talk, talk, talk.

Europe 1930-1938 all over.

[Thunder90]

the entire Former Soviet Union and China are expected to have massive military exercises early next year.

[photodawg]

Bush made a very bad mistake in trying to sell the Iraq war as a wonderful Christian thing to do; make Iraq a democracy. The man on the street does not give a flip whether the Iraqis have democracy.

Bush should have sold it for what it is: Europe 1930-39 .

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Interesting scenario, except I think Russia will overtly side with islam and China will take no side.

As far as Bush and this war, I believe Don't start something you can't finish. In the Paranoia following 9-11 and the urge to resolve the crisis. The Iraq policy was formulated too hastily. Bush and neocons knew the American public would support limited response to 9-11 threats and hence portrayed Iraq and Hussein as bogeyman, thinking they could do an updated desert storm. They greatly misunderestimated (smile) the strength of islamic jihad, and were now caught in a battle that became the major front in the war on islam, with Iran pulling the strings. America is not at the consciousness level politically to ruthlessly fight the third world war and would not stand for escalation of this preemptive strike that produced no WMD's. We need to be on a war footing and only the conservative one third of our people are ready to make the sacrifices necessary to ruthlessly destroy this enemy, i.e. to nuke iran, and deport muslims in US. consequently Bush had to settle for the possible, which was this democratic mission to save islam from itself. The libs will attack any war we fight and have the media to spin things out of control. This is why I think we will make a deal with Iran to give them their nuke program, Iraq and Palestine state, in return for allowing Israel to exist, and US withdrawal. It will buy us time but little else, and nuclear war will be outcome to about 70% probability regardless. We might, further along in the scenario, be willing to relocate Israel to prevent nuke war. and hope muslims will be satisfied with entire middle east and Europe.

[Thunder90]

Didn't Russia also cut off all supplies to North Korea, including severing oil contracts???

[Thunder90]

Russia has but one carrier. Carriers are needed for our type of warfare (Theatre based), but is not needed for Russia's or China's type of warfare (Strategic based). Also, Russia has hypersonic torpedoes that can take out our carriers from tens of miles away by a sub.

[Thunder90]

Russia and China will stay to themselves and attack America later, after Islam and the US fight it out.

[Thunder90]

The SCO exercises were designed to subdue a renegade country. That exercise may point to North Korea. China and Russia may attack that country jointly if it doesn't comply and stop building nukes.

[dgallo51]

Yeah…Our 'Stragic Partnership' has MORPHED…I'm shocked, shocked I tell you!

You might want to surf around this site…

http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/surface/default.asp

[dgallo51]

A very interesting site to surf

http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/surface/default.asp

[gonzo]

Your # 39: Yup! It was the 'Bears' (not Da Bears) that didn't make sense. 'Why is Russia re-outfitting Air-Arms of Bears?' Then I found the article about the USAF airplane accident in Russia!

Then I looked at the map. Russia also borders North Korea along with China. Then it was time to play connect-the-dots.

Stay well armed and safe.............FRegards

[woodbutcher]

I agree.

Your scenario is actually very similar to mine except you go into greater detail, which I believe to be correct.

The only difference is the part Russia will play and I suspect you are closer to the truth on that than I am.

Putin is a very dangerous man.

We have all said things that make our face turn red when we think of them. "I looked into his eyes....." surely makes Bush's face red.

[gonzo]

"...We can stop it now by a strong policy of intervention. It will cost the fewest lives to do it now, before they have nukes, rather than wait for the very public displays of horror that the common masses will see as the proof that we are under attack in the West..."

I hope so! Stay well and safe............FRegards

[unspun]

Re: George Noory reference: wild, arcane speculations.

[unspun]

Shucks, this link should work.

[unspun]

Shucks, this link should work.

[jamaly]

BTTT

[tcrlaf]

This was the SECOND US Aircraft Carrier "threatened" in recent days. The other was un the Gulf, photo'd by an Iranian drone...

[gonzo]

"...Didn't Russia also cut off all supplies to North Korea, including severing oil contracts???..."

It was China, Thunder90. I forgot to put it in the original post, but added it in #22. There's more data, so I'll add it as I can, as I find my links again. Thanks for your input!

Stay well armed and safe............FRegards