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Europe is Finished, Predicts Mark Steyn
New York Sun ^ | Nov.14 | Daniel Pipes

Posted on 11/14/2006 4:30:34 PM PST by T.L.Sink

Steyn contends that for demographic, political, and cultural reasons "pre-modern Islam beats post-modern Christianity". A process aided and abetted by the welfare nanny state and a clear warning to Americans!


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: europe; nannystate; spreadofislam; steyn
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1 posted on 11/14/2006 4:30:35 PM PST by T.L.Sink
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To: T.L.Sink

Christians in Europe? I think a convention of every Christian in Western and Central Europe could be held in a phone booth.


2 posted on 11/14/2006 4:37:24 PM PST by Gay State Conservative ("An empty limousine pulled up and Hillary Clinton got out")
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To: T.L.Sink

I would change it slightly to "Old Europe" is finished.


3 posted on 11/14/2006 4:38:07 PM PST by Parley Baer
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To: T.L.Sink

It's over in old Europe, all that is left is for the fat lady to sing.


4 posted on 11/14/2006 4:40:08 PM PST by John Lenin (The most dangerous place for a child in America is indeed in its mother's womb)
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To: T.L.Sink

We could easily go the same way if we don't wake up-soon.


5 posted on 11/14/2006 4:46:25 PM PST by Ikemeister
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To: John Lenin
It's over in old Europe, all that is left is for the fat lady to sing.

It's over in old America, too.

6 posted on 11/14/2006 4:47:09 PM PST by LasVegasMac (Islam........not fit for human consumption.)
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To: LasVegasMac

I agree and socialism is the cause and death of the West.


7 posted on 11/14/2006 4:49:54 PM PST by John Lenin (The most dangerous place for a child in America is indeed in its mother's womb)
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To: T.L.Sink

Eh? Post-modern Christianity is an oxymoron. "Secular" is what Europe's all about.


8 posted on 11/14/2006 4:57:31 PM PST by tdewey10 (Can we please take out iran's nuclear capability before they start using it?)
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To: John Lenin

When people get "too smart for God", they are heading for the ash heap of history. We've been blessed "to the third and fourth generation" (Ex.20:6) because of our God-fearing forebearers. Our children and grandchildren won't be so blessed because we've let post-modernism rot the core values of our nation and destroyed our families in the process.


9 posted on 11/14/2006 5:00:12 PM PST by kittymyrib
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To: All

Steyn's book is remarkable. It has made it onto the NY Times best seller list.


10 posted on 11/14/2006 5:01:24 PM PST by sandbox
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To: T.L.Sink

Europe has always been finished. Maybe he means the EEC.


11 posted on 11/14/2006 5:02:26 PM PST by RightWhale (RTRA DLQS GSCW)
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To: T.L.Sink

boy I think he's being the master of the obvious here. It's over for europe-the fat lady is warming up.


12 posted on 11/14/2006 5:03:43 PM PST by mrmargaritaville
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To: Gay State Conservative
Odd timing for this thread, for me anyway.

Believing Christians are bailing out of Europe. I just finished a telephone call with a Dutch woman I know who lives in Groningen. A devout Christian, she is trying to get all the paperwork together so that she and her husband can emigrate to the US or Canada.

13 posted on 11/14/2006 5:04:05 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: T.L.Sink
"Pared to its essentials, he counsels two things: First, avoid the 'bloated European welfare systems...' Second, avoid 'imperial understretch'"
Election of the Democrat Congress was a Giant Step toward rejecting Mark's counsels.
14 posted on 11/14/2006 5:04:10 PM PST by Savage Beast
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To: T.L.Sink
If Islam is patient, and doesn't get stupid they will have Europe while the universal religion of the left known as "non-judgementalism" allows it to happen.

If they use a WMD somewhere though, all bets are off.

15 posted on 11/14/2006 5:05:13 PM PST by lawnguy (Give me some of your tots!!!)
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To: T.L.Sink
Before demographics can fully take hold, economics will have its impact

The Muslim immigrants in Europe seem to mostly be on welfare. Sometime in the next 5 years, the ability of the white European taxpayers to keep the Welfare State afloat will reach its limit

See how fast they breed when they have to buy their own baby food and diapers

16 posted on 11/14/2006 5:08:02 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the arrogance to think they will be the planners)
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To: SauronOfMordor
See how fast they breed when they have to buy their own baby food and diapers.

Makes perfect sense! Thanks! I wonder how that will work here with the Mexicans...

17 posted on 11/14/2006 5:24:00 PM PST by America_Right (People should not be afraid of their government. The government should be afraid of the people.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

You might be surprised. I've handfulls of Christian friends in Romania, Poland, Ireland, and the Czech Republic. Same can be said for Italy.Granted, yes, they are mostly in pockets.

I question whether Western Europe has the societal stability and commonaltiy to survive the onslaught, particularly Northern Europe. All but Ireland seem very much devoid of fight, faith, or spirit.


18 posted on 11/14/2006 5:28:21 PM PST by CheyennePress
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To: T.L.Sink

Just finished the book. Its excellent.


19 posted on 11/14/2006 5:29:57 PM PST by marron
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To: T.L.Sink

Unfortunately, this time there will be no Catholic Church to run the Muzzies out of Europe. The Crusades are looking better by the day.


20 posted on 11/14/2006 5:30:07 PM PST by ducdriver ("Impartiality is a pompous name for indifference, which is an elegant name for ignorance." GKC)
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To: T.L.Sink

Your One-Man Global Content Provider!

21 posted on 11/14/2006 5:34:51 PM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: Give therapeutic violence a chance!)
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To: CheyennePress
Yes,I have no trouble believing that there are still Christians to be found in Eastern Europe.However,I've read that in recent years church attendance has dropped dramatically in Ireland and Italy.

I personally believe that there's a strong correlation between church attendance and *genuine* belief.

22 posted on 11/14/2006 5:42:14 PM PST by Gay State Conservative ("An empty limousine pulled up and Hillary Clinton got out")
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To: SauronOfMordor
See how fast they breed when they have to buy their own baby food and diapers

Hah! They'll just riot and claim their "human rights" have been violated.

23 posted on 11/14/2006 5:47:19 PM PST by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: T.L.Sink

I finished that book last week. STRONGLY recommended.


24 posted on 11/14/2006 5:54:05 PM PST by Beauceron
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To: T.L.Sink

Europa is gonzo, kaput, finit...etc...The place is eroding into a cultural wasteland.


25 posted on 11/14/2006 5:57:37 PM PST by TADSLOS (Mohammed was the L. Ron Hubbard of his time.)
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To: Beauceron

Yes, it's a MUST READ.


26 posted on 11/14/2006 5:58:21 PM PST by TADSLOS (Mohammed was the L. Ron Hubbard of his time.)
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To: sandbox

Someone please send a copy to Nancy Pelsoi. She can read, can't she?


28 posted on 11/14/2006 6:13:05 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Rummyfan

who is this ?


29 posted on 11/14/2006 6:17:07 PM PST by BurtSB (the price of freedom is eternal vigilance)
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To: SauronOfMordor

See how fast they breed when they have to buy their own baby food and diapers

I dunno. They seem to breed pretty fast in Gaza with no $$.


30 posted on 11/14/2006 6:23:11 PM PST by rbg81 (1)
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One of Steyn's many points is that the decline of EU countries cold accelerate if citizens start to think there is no future for them in their home country. That younger people may start to emigrate-to USA, Australia, Canada.


31 posted on 11/14/2006 6:26:18 PM PST by sandbox
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To: Beauceron

Thanks to you guys who recommend it. I'll put it on my required reading list.


32 posted on 11/14/2006 6:26:51 PM PST by T.L.Sink
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To: T.L.Sink
Steyn contends that for demographic, political, and cultural reasons "pre-modern Islam beats post-modern Christianity".

The European "Culture of Nothing" beats nothing.

33 posted on 11/14/2006 6:29:12 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Democrat Happens!)
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To: Victoria Delsoul

Some insights into STEYNAHOL!


34 posted on 11/14/2006 6:29:51 PM PST by HitmanLV ("Get up, come on get down with the sickness.")
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To: T.L.Sink
Europe has deported the real God and imported a/the Moonbat God..
The God of raving Moonbats.. Muslims..
35 posted on 11/14/2006 6:32:06 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperboles)
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To: T.L.Sink
And America is poised to elect the Queen of Hearts in 2008..
"And a happy UNbirthday to you all"...- Mad Hatter
36 posted on 11/14/2006 6:36:13 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperboles)
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To: BurtSB

Mark Steyn!


37 posted on 11/14/2006 6:38:15 PM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: Give therapeutic violence a chance!)
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To: LasVegasMac
It's over in old America, too.

Yes it is.

38 posted on 11/14/2006 6:38:31 PM PST by Cobra64 (Why is the War on Terror being managed by the DEFENSE Department?)
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To: America_Right
"See how fast they breed when they have to buy their own baby food and diapers.
Makes perfect sense! Thanks! I wonder how that will work here with the Mexicans..."

Not to start something here but.... Mexicans usually work and they believe in the same God we do, a God who does not advocate beheadings. I believe in controlled legal immigration. Our own people are not reproducing. Much of our culture is soft. In the past our nation was enriched by the immigration of large numbers of poor. The key is real assimilation. These people must learn English and want to be American, as in US American.
39 posted on 11/14/2006 6:42:26 PM PST by outofstyle
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To: kittymyrib

Amen! Chisel that in stone!


40 posted on 11/14/2006 6:45:16 PM PST by DonnerT ("GIG" is the only way to win the GWT. (Global Idiologic Genocide!))
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To: outofstyle

I agree. We have the potential to assimilate Latin Americans as there is no religious conflict with them.


41 posted on 11/14/2006 6:50:34 PM PST by sandbox
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To: hosepipe

I can't help but wonder if these left queens WANT their daughters and granddaughters to be reduced to sexually mutilated, burkha-clad shadows of themselves.


42 posted on 11/14/2006 6:58:02 PM PST by coydog (Cowardice does not make you safe. It makes you a safe target. - - Dale Amon)
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To: sandbox; outofstyle

Count me in.

I'm from a small town in Tennessee and when I went to visit I was shocked and pleased to see that most of the churches there had been rebuilt and added onto due to the influx of Mexicans to that part of the country. Church attendance has skyrocketed there for all denominations.

Like it or not the Latino voting block may, in the future, be powerful enough to prevent the leftists from attempting to rid our society of religion and for that alone I am grateful to them.


43 posted on 11/14/2006 7:00:29 PM PST by HelloooClareece (Support the CinC during WARTIME or get outta my way.)
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save


44 posted on 11/14/2006 7:01:34 PM PST by krunkygirl
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To: coydog
[ I can't help but wonder if these left queens WANT their daughters and granddaughters to be reduced to sexually mutilated, burkha-clad shadows of themselves. ]

Of course they Don't... matters little the URPeans are aborting themselves into Euroarabia..

45 posted on 11/14/2006 7:11:04 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperboles)
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To: mrmargaritaville
"boy I think he's being the master of the obvious here. It's over for europe-the fat lady is warming up."

I believe that unless we wise up in the next 2 years or before we are attacked again, we will suffer the same.

I would not be surprised to see, after a substantial attack under dem rule, a military takeover of the Gov't.
46 posted on 11/14/2006 7:11:40 PM PST by lawdude (The dems see Wal-Mart as a bigger threat to the US than muslim terrorists)
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wow , i assumed he was older.


47 posted on 11/14/2006 7:26:52 PM PST by BurtSB (the price of freedom is eternal vigilance)
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To: kittymyrib

It's the old saying, if you don't believe in something, you will fall for anything, like socialism.


48 posted on 11/14/2006 7:43:15 PM PST by John Lenin (The most dangerous place for a child in America is indeed in its mother's womb)
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To: John Williams

I believe you are correct. They will continue to breed unabated, it's just the Western economy that subsidizes this behavior will collapse.

When that happens you'll just see the mortality rate go back to "natural" levels to adjust the population to the level supportable by the food that can be produced without modern industrial farming methods.


49 posted on 11/14/2006 8:55:54 PM PST by jtal
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