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Europe is Finished, Predicts Mark Steyn
New York Sun ^ | Nov.14 | Daniel Pipes

Posted on 11/14/2006 4:30:34 PM PST by T.L.Sink

Steyn contends that for demographic, political, and cultural reasons "pre-modern Islam beats post-modern Christianity". A process aided and abetted by the welfare nanny state and a clear warning to Americans!


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: europe; nannystate; spreadofislam; steyn
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1 posted on 11/14/2006 4:30:35 PM PST by T.L.Sink
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To: T.L.Sink

Christians in Europe? I think a convention of every Christian in Western and Central Europe could be held in a phone booth.


2 posted on 11/14/2006 4:37:24 PM PST by Gay State Conservative ("An empty limousine pulled up and Hillary Clinton got out")
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To: T.L.Sink

I would change it slightly to "Old Europe" is finished.


3 posted on 11/14/2006 4:38:07 PM PST by Parley Baer
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To: T.L.Sink

It's over in old Europe, all that is left is for the fat lady to sing.


4 posted on 11/14/2006 4:40:08 PM PST by John Lenin (The most dangerous place for a child in America is indeed in its mother's womb)
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To: T.L.Sink

We could easily go the same way if we don't wake up-soon.


5 posted on 11/14/2006 4:46:25 PM PST by Ikemeister
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It's over in old Europe, all that is left is for the fat lady to sing.

It's over in old America, too.

6 posted on 11/14/2006 4:47:09 PM PST by LasVegasMac (Islam........not fit for human consumption.)
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I agree and socialism is the cause and death of the West.


7 posted on 11/14/2006 4:49:54 PM PST by John Lenin (The most dangerous place for a child in America is indeed in its mother's womb)
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To: T.L.Sink

Eh? Post-modern Christianity is an oxymoron. "Secular" is what Europe's all about.


8 posted on 11/14/2006 4:57:31 PM PST by tdewey10 (Can we please take out iran's nuclear capability before they start using it?)
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To: John Lenin

When people get "too smart for God", they are heading for the ash heap of history. We've been blessed "to the third and fourth generation" (Ex.20:6) because of our God-fearing forebearers. Our children and grandchildren won't be so blessed because we've let post-modernism rot the core values of our nation and destroyed our families in the process.


9 posted on 11/14/2006 5:00:12 PM PST by kittymyrib
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Steyn's book is remarkable. It has made it onto the NY Times best seller list.


10 posted on 11/14/2006 5:01:24 PM PST by sandbox
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To: T.L.Sink

Europe has always been finished. Maybe he means the EEC.


11 posted on 11/14/2006 5:02:26 PM PST by RightWhale (RTRA DLQS GSCW)
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To: T.L.Sink

boy I think he's being the master of the obvious here. It's over for europe-the fat lady is warming up.


12 posted on 11/14/2006 5:03:43 PM PST by mrmargaritaville
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To: Gay State Conservative
Odd timing for this thread, for me anyway.

Believing Christians are bailing out of Europe. I just finished a telephone call with a Dutch woman I know who lives in Groningen. A devout Christian, she is trying to get all the paperwork together so that she and her husband can emigrate to the US or Canada.

13 posted on 11/14/2006 5:04:05 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: T.L.Sink
"Pared to its essentials, he counsels two things: First, avoid the 'bloated European welfare systems...' Second, avoid 'imperial understretch'"
Election of the Democrat Congress was a Giant Step toward rejecting Mark's counsels.
14 posted on 11/14/2006 5:04:10 PM PST by Savage Beast
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If Islam is patient, and doesn't get stupid they will have Europe while the universal religion of the left known as "non-judgementalism" allows it to happen.

If they use a WMD somewhere though, all bets are off.

15 posted on 11/14/2006 5:05:13 PM PST by lawnguy (Give me some of your tots!!!)
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Before demographics can fully take hold, economics will have its impact

The Muslim immigrants in Europe seem to mostly be on welfare. Sometime in the next 5 years, the ability of the white European taxpayers to keep the Welfare State afloat will reach its limit

See how fast they breed when they have to buy their own baby food and diapers

16 posted on 11/14/2006 5:08:02 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the arrogance to think they will be the planners)
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See how fast they breed when they have to buy their own baby food and diapers.

Makes perfect sense! Thanks! I wonder how that will work here with the Mexicans...

17 posted on 11/14/2006 5:24:00 PM PST by America_Right (People should not be afraid of their government. The government should be afraid of the people.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

You might be surprised. I've handfulls of Christian friends in Romania, Poland, Ireland, and the Czech Republic. Same can be said for Italy.Granted, yes, they are mostly in pockets.

I question whether Western Europe has the societal stability and commonaltiy to survive the onslaught, particularly Northern Europe. All but Ireland seem very much devoid of fight, faith, or spirit.


18 posted on 11/14/2006 5:28:21 PM PST by CheyennePress
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To: T.L.Sink

Just finished the book. Its excellent.


19 posted on 11/14/2006 5:29:57 PM PST by marron
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To: T.L.Sink

Unfortunately, this time there will be no Catholic Church to run the Muzzies out of Europe. The Crusades are looking better by the day.


20 posted on 11/14/2006 5:30:07 PM PST by ducdriver ("Impartiality is a pompous name for indifference, which is an elegant name for ignorance." GKC)
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