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As promised, here is my vanity post. I rarely do this, but I have really been thinking about this over the last week.

I will only be on the computer for another hour, and any posts to me after that will have to wait until I return around 6PM.

This is an effort to move the discussion to productive areas. All sides could use some improvement, including the President, whom I think counted too much on Karl and failed to see what was happening.

1 posted on 11/17/2006 11:13:01 AM PST by Miss Marple
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I really think the results have been over-analyzed.

It's simple to me: the public gets tired of an administration after six years; hence, the "six year itch."

In this case it was magnified by GOP crossover vote and minorly suppressed turnout. With all three Houses in GOP hands and not enough results, some of the base revolted.

Moderates/Indies doing their six-year thing,
GOP base angry

Voila.
2 posted on 11/17/2006 11:16:16 AM PST by TitansAFC ("Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead.")
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To: steveegg; maryz; Common Tator; dirtboy

Ping!


3 posted on 11/17/2006 11:17:13 AM PST by Miss Marple (Lord, thank you for Mozart Lover's son's safe return, and look after Jemian's son, please!)
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To: Miss Marple

You threatened and you delivered!


5 posted on 11/17/2006 11:17:32 AM PST by rightinthemiddle (Without the Media, the Left and Islamofacists are Nothing.)
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To: Miss Marple

Excellent post. Even though I don't agree with 100% of it, it is pretty much on target and good food for thought.


6 posted on 11/17/2006 11:18:34 AM PST by Diddle E. Squat (Pence for MinL; Giuliani-Watts, Giuliani-Sanford, Giuliani-Pawlenty, or Giuliani-Perdue in '08)
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To: Torie; Howlin; PhiKapMom

ping


7 posted on 11/17/2006 11:19:20 AM PST by Diddle E. Squat (Pence for MinL; Giuliani-Watts, Giuliani-Sanford, Giuliani-Pawlenty, or Giuliani-Perdue in '08)
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To: Miss Marple
They vote on who will protect their jobs, who seems like a nice guy, who has done stuff they can identify with, who has good hair, etc. They don't give a flying hoot about "limited government" or "social justice."

I guess that's why the Contract with America was such a dismal failure. /sarcasm

The GOP needs to return to having core values. Otherwise, it's just that much easier for the charges to stick when it is clear to voters that too many pubbies don't walk the walk.

8 posted on 11/17/2006 11:20:31 AM PST by dirtboy (Objects in tagline are closer than they appear)
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To: Miss Marple

Fair enough analysis. I would have rephrased it a bit, but I think you're on the right track.

In my view, the strength that the Democrats is that they are the more populist of the two parties. Or said another way, they're willing to represent their constituencies in order to win. The traditional advantage of the GOP has been in organization and funding.

In my view, conservatives need to start learning to play practical politics. The GOP is a political party. It should be viewed as a means to achieving an end, not a wellspring of religious truth. Conservatives are free to do whatever they want, but in my view, I think too many conservatives expect far too much from the GOP.

We're fortunate in that there are some models for winning in the political sphere even when the odds are stacked against us. The most shining contemporary example in my view is the gun rights people.

And then there is also the issue of communicating a positive conservative message. It's something that conservatives really need to work on. There are so many conservative success stories out there, it's just a crying shame that we don't communicate them better. Negative messages may win an election or two, but they don't inspire people in the long run.


12 posted on 11/17/2006 11:31:10 AM PST by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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President Bush is the president for two more years. The media has done a number on him and does NOT need our help in attacking the president. Anyone who calls him too liberal, too conservative, too wishy-washy, failed, traitor, etc. is doing nothing but further depressing his approval ratings. It won't be easy for the 2008 candidate, whoever he may be, to run following a "despised" president,

You're right, it will be very hard for our candidate in 2008 if he/she follows a despised President. The problem is that if Bush continues with his amnesty plans and fails to secure the border, as he has so stubbornly resisted doind to date he will be despised and worse. If we want to see his approval rating improve we should encourage HIM to do more of the things that we approve of...not discourage folks for criticizing him when he drifts off into liberal land, as he is prone to do from time to time.

13 posted on 11/17/2006 11:32:38 AM PST by pgkdan
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Excellent post -- as I knew it would be! :)

No dissension within the party should be aired on national media.

Has to be rule No. 1! I can't even remember many details or instances, but my overall impression of the Republicans in the months leading up to the election is that of utter disarray, petty intraparty sniping, every-man-for-himself-ism, and the unedifying spectacle of spoiled prima donnas primping for the cameras.

The mad rush to dissociate themselves from Bush looked like they were crashing into each other and knocking each other down as they ran for the exists. I will (charitably --/withering sarcasm) assume that they were only speaking from their principles. But the most principled disagreement doesn't have to belittle the other person. Would it have killed them to phrase it more like, "I don't totally agree with the President on (fill in the blank). I know he's a good and serious man, and his points are valid. But I would emphasize certain other aspects. I'm not sure how we can resolve this, but I am certain that resolution is possible, with reason and good will." OK, not great -- but I'm not a professional politician!

19 posted on 11/17/2006 11:49:01 AM PST by maryz
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To: Miss Marple

At last a sensible explication of the election.

I would add that the left internet was a great benefit to the Dems, especially the "scandals". There were stories on the Allen/Webb election in "moderate" papers that sourced MYDD, Salon, and Kos!

Last election the right internet made the difference (Swiftvets, Rather...)
But they "read our book" and the media teamed up with them to great effect this time.


20 posted on 11/17/2006 11:49:17 AM PST by mrsmith
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They vote on who . . . seems like a nice guy,

I swear the most popular politicians I can think of all laugh easily, even at themselves -- not that they're necessarily not serious thinkers. I sometimes think the ability to laugh good-naturedly is the single most important qualification for success in politics. You can win without it, but it's an uphill struggle!

21 posted on 11/17/2006 11:54:11 AM PST by maryz
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You mentioned the media and the obvious bias, only I would have emphasized it more as major contributor.

Unless you live in PA and saw the bias in the print and TV media aginst Santorum it would be difficult to understand. They have been against this guy since he first won 12 years ago and they were going to get "righty". I am so disappointed in the defeat of Rick by that bubble headed, empty suit Casey.

As for the Contract with America, I believe it was brilliant politics and something that should be done every election. The original Contract with America was printed in all things the TV Guide. Just how many yellow dog dems sitting on the couch watching Wheel of Fortune were exposed to the Contract and liked what they saw and voted for Newt and the gang? I think a lot. The Contract presented some easy to understand positions and policies that appealed to a broad segment of the voting public and is a campaign strategy that should be used every campaign. IMHO!

Thank you for your comments.

22 posted on 11/17/2006 12:02:24 PM PST by MoodyBlu
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They ran someone who was also strict on immigration, but supported
the President's plan somewhat. So, the democrat got the Hispanic
vote plus a bit of the anti-immigration vote.


They lied their way into office.
The Democrats could sound conservative because their base knows
they'll follow Pelosi like puppies when they get into office.
And the uneducated actually took the "conservative" Democrats at
their word and wavered over to their side.

To me it's an open question of who is to blame.
The uneducated voters that allowed themselves to be duped.
Or the Republican candidates/strategists that failed to flush the
Democratic fakers into the open.
And reveal them for what they are...America's version of France's
"Class of 1968" (i.e., Sixties radicals that became politicians)
23 posted on 11/17/2006 12:02:55 PM PST by VOA
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Yes, Emmanuel did a very good job, after all he is a student of the Clintons. But I think that Emmanuel got the media to help them all along. Reporting only on Republicans and ignoring any wrong doing of democrats. If a Republican was found innocent of wrong doing, the media, print and TV, would ignore that fact, the damage had been done.

This year the media decided to get behind the dems and help them win. The Republicans must find a way to fight this or we'll never win.
24 posted on 11/17/2006 12:07:09 PM PST by BlueAngel
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Very well done, and your thoughts about not helping destroy the President and the party even more are spot on. Thanks!


25 posted on 11/17/2006 12:10:24 PM PST by ladyinred (RIP my precious Lamb Chop)
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Interesting take by Miss Marple.

Senate 2006 Midterm ping.


28 posted on 11/17/2006 12:24:11 PM PST by RobFromGa (I'm still optimistic about our future!)
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I don't agree with much of this, but I must compliment you on a very well written piece.


29 posted on 11/17/2006 12:28:46 PM PST by jmc813
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I would add that the GOP was seriously hurt by the fact that many voters sat out the election because they refused to turn out and support a congress that was, rightly or wrongly, viewed as an inept, corrupt, self serving crowd of blatant fools whose primary interest was protecting their own jobs, image and package of perks. Their main plank was 'vote for us. sure we are are a worthless lot but the dims are even worse and their election will mean the end of the country'. Why should they get our support?


30 posted on 11/17/2006 12:45:22 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Miss Marple

Thanks,

Good read.


33 posted on 11/17/2006 12:54:13 PM PST by CPT Clay (Drill ANWR, Personal Accounts NOW.)
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To: Miss Marple

Excellent summary .

Rahm Emmanuel did an effective job picking candidates locally.

Also the Libertarians are a force to discuss for the future. If we continue to often lose to the rats by 1 percent or so and the Libertarians can often get 3 percent...we will have a mess.


34 posted on 11/17/2006 1:01:36 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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