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Bush works to keep pressure on N. Korea
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Posted on 11/17/2006 7:13:02 PM PST by Lunatic Fringe

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To: hedgetrimmer
You are amazing. It's a land grab to build a needed road in Texas, but it's not a land grab to build a fence on someone's property who doesn't want it.

You can scream "globalist" all you want, but I'll just whisper "hypocrite."
81 posted on 11/18/2006 10:09:57 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: buck61
To think the money as a nation we would save by freeing ourselves from these syphoning countries

President Hillary will need that money and the coming tax increases to fund her health care plan.

82 posted on 11/18/2006 10:30:06 AM PST by ASA Vet (The WOT should have been over on 9/12/01.)
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To: Dog Gone; hedgetrimmer
a fence on someone's property who doesn't want it.

There's a simple solution which will protect the US and insure the rights of property owners that don't want a fence on the international border at their south property line.

We acknowledge his property rights and don't build it there.

We approach the next property owner to the north and ask to put it just North of his property line. Bet we won't have to go north many properties to find a willing owner who wants his property and his Nation protected.

83 posted on 11/18/2006 10:53:37 AM PST by ASA Vet (The WOT should have been over on 9/12/01.)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet
SK doesn't fear an invasion. In that terrain, the NKPA's ancient tanks and APC's would only advance a short distance before even a handful of the ROK's modern tanks and weaponry would smash them and bottle them up. The ROK Air Force would quickly gain air superiority -- the technological advantage is just too much. That would leave the NKPA with massed infantry attacks for their offensive. Massed troops trying to sneak along the ridges, ala the Chinese PLA in 1951, would be shredded with modern artillery, tanks and air attacks.


But the SK does fear the NK's massed amounts of dug-in artillery that could fire tens of thousands of rounds into the civilians of the South in the opening minute of a war. The ROKA would have to go north to silence many of them, or at least wait until they ran through their ammo stocks. The SK probably also fears the chaos caused by NK Special Forces and southern traitors who look upon Kim as the new Emperor Wang Guhn.


They probably don't fear the missiles so much -- NK can't afford to make to many of them and they would be vulnerable to air attack once a war started. They don't fear an NK nuke because why would Kim want to destroy what he considers his rightful due?


Finally, as said above, what the SK fears the most is the cost of unification. All that cheap labor terrifies the SK's unions. All that primitive lifestyle requiring massive tax dollars to bring up to a modern level terrifies SK's businesses. All those new voters without an established SK party affiliation scares the SK's politicians. And all those believers raised to worship Kim and his dad as God Kings scares the Christians and other believers in the South.


So the SK prefers to do nothing in the hopes of maintaining the status quo.

84 posted on 11/18/2006 11:06:03 AM PST by LenS
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To: ASA Vet

Don't forget, the suggestion was to build the fence all around the US. That's a lot of coastal property owners to involve.


85 posted on 11/18/2006 11:08:56 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
If you ask the poster for clarification they'll probably agree that the Oceans are pretty good borders already and don't need a fence in the surf.
The coast guard can handle those off shore areas if funded properly.
86 posted on 11/18/2006 11:14:24 AM PST by ASA Vet (The WOT should have been over on 9/12/01.)
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To: finnigan2

hell baseing time from "last" huh.


87 posted on 11/18/2006 11:55:16 AM PST by advertising guy (If computer skills named us, I'd be back-space delete.)
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To: Brimack34

I second that emotion ... we need to redeploy to Okinawa. What is the exit strategy from Korea? Or from Germany for that matter?


88 posted on 11/18/2006 12:26:21 PM PST by sono ("Improvise, Adapt, Overcome" - Gunnery Sgt Thomas "Gunny" Highway)
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To: Brimack34

N. Korea will play the same games they were playing at Pyong Yang in the 1950's, and they will continue the pandering in hopes to stall for time. Any form or attempt at appeasement will never be looked upon with any regard by the N. Koreans. We would be remiss if we did not take a very hard line against the communists in this area.


89 posted on 11/18/2006 2:24:34 PM PST by Sword_Svalbardt (Sword Svalbardt)
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To: Lunatic Fringe

This has to be posturing to make S. K look like the good guys.


90 posted on 11/18/2006 4:07:57 PM PST by omega4179 (Crush all Rinos 2008)
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To: Dog Gone
It's a land grab to build a needed road the Trans Texas corridor, only to benefit foreign corporations in Texas, and to EVICT property owners in Texas STRICTLY for PRIVATE GAIN. Stinks like KELO doesn't it?

Yeah, those landowners and ranchers better git outn' the way. The globalist Juggernaut is headed their way, courtesy of treasonous politicians who are paid not to defend individual rights of American citizens, but to promote the influence and guarantee profit to foreign corporations.


Look a the map, clearly the 'winners' are NOT American citizens.
91 posted on 11/18/2006 4:28:47 PM PST by hedgetrimmer (I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: LenS

I believe you have fallen into the old well-worn formulic of why something won't or can't happen. But that's okay. So has the intelligence of the U.S. Othewsie we would have anticipated Saddam's invasion of Kuwait.

The major problem if a war happens is the refugees that are starving, and the NK military that's left that would soon be starving.

And it seems that the political climate today, after iraq, allows dictators to starve and kill their own people and the UN will allow them to stay in power, un-molested. The funniest thing I've seen is europe complaining about the the possibility of saddam getting the death sentence.


92 posted on 11/18/2006 5:02:02 PM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: advertising guy

Because the South Koreans are more dedicated to their ethnic brothers and sisters in the North than to freedom and capitalism. Most of them would rather reunite under Marxism than go to war with them and risk a few of their lives.


93 posted on 11/18/2006 5:04:13 PM PST by RockinRight (The loss is temporary, hopefully we learn from our mistakes.)
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To: Mariner
Re #70

S. Korean presidential election: Dec., 2007
Legislative election:probably Apr., 2008

The general mood in S. Korea has turned against N. Korea after the nuclear test. That is, it is now fashionable to blast N. Korea, while its apologists tend to be subdued.

Many of those who used to be pro-North and anti-U.S. is no longer pro-North, and grudgingly acknowledge the need to ally with U.S.. Those who have been anti-North and pro-U.S. all along are now much vocal and their views are no longer dismissed off-hand among young generation.

Those in 20's showed the dramatic turnaround. Their support for conservative opposition is stronger than in 30's or 40's. They are finally staging public demonstration against N. Korean nuclear test.

94 posted on 11/18/2006 6:01:18 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster
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To: P-40

I agree, it's time to leave South Korea.

I work with a gentleman who was a General in South Korea, and he said the US was there to keep the South from going North almost as much as to keep the North from going South.


95 posted on 11/18/2006 6:21:51 PM PST by Perdogg (I'm Perdogg and I approved this message)
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To: pleikumud
Well, South Koreans are just a few miles from a madman dictator. They are concerned about keeping peace with Kim, to avoid war.

I agree. Isn't intercepting another nation's ships considered an act of war? I can't imagine why S.Korea would ever agree to such a thing.

96 posted on 11/18/2006 6:34:55 PM PST by Sandy
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To: EagleUSA

Excuse me, you Paleocons drive me crazy. Stop thinking about that Pat Buchanan conservative Tom Tancredo, he's not a Reagan Conservative, I bet you he's anti-Israel. He would make a terrible President.


97 posted on 11/18/2006 11:12:31 PM PST by jdlucas04
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To: Lunatic Fringe

Reading the full story it sounds like South Korea supports us but doesn't feel they should be forcefully stopping north Korean ships

I can see where they would feel like all those military confrontations between North and South Korean ships present a lot of possibilities for escalation.

Now, I can also understand that the SK government needs to continue to make it darn clear they support our efforts.


98 posted on 11/19/2006 12:25:44 AM PST by gondramB (It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.)
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To: gondramB

I think You are Correct...


99 posted on 11/19/2006 1:31:38 AM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans
why are we there again? bush is such a limp wristed nancy boy at this point that we'll probably apologize to the s koreans for even THINKING of the idea

that "limp-wristed nancy boy" has done alot more to protect you and your loved ones from the imminent threats than any of us could claim, so you'd better choose your words carefully...and show a little respect...

100 posted on 11/19/2006 3:04:13 AM PST by Zeppelin (Keep on FReepin' on...)
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