Posted on 11/19/2006 7:56:32 PM PST by davy
Thanks for the information. Still, the plans for Japan attacking the US instead of Russia meant the freeing of some 20+ Russian divisions. They were rushed into battle. Still, the Germans held their ground reasonably well, considering the complete lack of planning for a winter battle.
Have we left anywhere yet? Germany? Bosnia? Korea?
True. We thought of Japan as no military threat at all, even after we entered the war.
Thanks for the extra details. I was rusty on those points.
May we pause now and remain forever and deeply respecful of all those who were lost on that Sunday morning.
For those adherents to Prange and associates, from Waldo Heinrichs' Threshold of War: Franklin D. Roosvelt and the American Entry into War World II, on page 224, "New evidence has come to light which requires modification of these conclusions. ..."
For example, one of the more recent items: "Signals Intelligence and Pearl Harbor: The State of the Question" by Professor Villa and Dr. Wilford, in Intelligence and National Security, Voulme 21, Number 4, August 2006, pages 520-556.
And, as just one of the many lead-ins to this subject, in Robert Smith Thompson's A Time for War: Franklin Roosvelt and the Path to Pearl Harbor the Epilogue on page 399 begins: "So we turn at last to questions. Did the United States enter the war just because of Pearl Harbor? No. America was in a naval war with Germany from the middle of 1941 on and in an economic war with Japan from even earlier; and America's plans to firebomb Japan no later than early 1942 were an open secret. Did Roosevelt have advance knowledge of the Pearl Harbor attack? Possibly. The following are hard facts: ... "
Also, as a simple fact, be very aware that a myriad of Pearl Harbor documents - including PURPLE messages - remain classified today.
So it goes ... The rule, or the exception to the rule - which is better?
O wonder what their excuse is for Manchuria and other locations around Asia. Perhaps we drove them into that as well. I'm now assured that dropping the bombs on them was the right thing and even the fire bombing prior to that. At what point do we elect to do the same to Iran, and the Sunni Triangle. It took a long time for the Japanese to grow balls back after our utter, and total defeat of their nation and the surrender by their god king. Perhaps its time to consider the utter and total destruction of Islamic Terrorist States. We do not have to wait to invent the bomb this time.
Thats insulting to subhumans.
This ain't new. We cut 'em off from oil and steel because of their activities in China.
If they want to launch a treacherous sneak attack and fight a war over it, well, we saw how it came out, right?
Gee. Maybe if the Japs weren't wandering through China, Korea and the Pacific, raping and pillaging, we wouldn't have wanted to harm their economy? Maybe if they weren't allies of Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy, we'd have left them alone, or even courted them for allies of our own?
FDR was awful, but I'm beginning to think you need terrible people to fight wars.
"That is "In Before the Zot" which so far does not seem to apply to you so therefore I say
Welcome to FR
I thought to myself, he isn't going to know what DU means if he isn't one of them.
The Leftist/Socialist/Communist Democrats have a web page called Democrat Underground that is the antithesis of FR.
They have minions that make forays here for their self-aggrandizement.
I'm just upset that after all the carnage of the Pacific Theater, all the dead marine, dead Japanese soldiers (don't feel as sorry for them...), the satanic torture on the POWs, cannibalism of civilians, TWO NUCLEAR BOMBS, and more than 50 years later, the Japs are still trying to tell everybody that they were the good guys and that world history is basically our hallucination??!!! WTH?? What is this, the Twilight Zone?
Well, heck, I learned that in college years ago. Our history prof told us that Japan attacked us only after we cut off their supplies of oil. If we hadn't done that, they wouldn't have attacked us.
Well, we did leave France, our on-again, off-again ally...mostly off.
davy, davy, davy, you are too transparent. Go back to DU!
What the heck?
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