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Payday Loans Blamed for Trapping Poor in 'Quicksand'
Cybercast News ^ | 1 December 2006 | David Thibault

Posted on 12/01/2006 10:30:23 AM PST by shrinkermd

Cash-starved Americans, many of them serving in the U.S. military, are watching an increasing crackdown on one of their most frequent sources of last ditch credit - payday loans.

Even Congress has clamped down on the practice, but a spokesman for the payday loan industry Thursday told Cybercast News Service that criticism of the loans is being led by "elitist" consumer groups whose members "never have to go paycheck to paycheck."

Payday loans allow individuals to stay financially afloat between paychecks. They are short-term cash loans in which the borrower often hands over electronic access of their bank account to the lender so the lender can then gain access to the borrower's deposited paycheck to get repaid.

Huge finance charges can accumulate from payday loans since the borrower has the option of renewing or "flipping" the loan in exchange for another fee. Critics of the industry also say millions of people take out multiple loans, paying one loan with the proceeds of another and end up getting caught in a financial trap.

In September, Congress passed an amendment to the Defense Department Authorization bill, creating a 36 percent cap on interest rates that members of the military can be charged on loans. A Virginia state legislative committee next week is also expected to take up legislation that would produce more restrictions on the industry.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: loans; payday; ripoff
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1 posted on 12/01/2006 10:30:27 AM PST by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd

Those places are nothing but legalized loan sharks.


3 posted on 12/01/2006 10:32:06 AM PST by inkling
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To: shrinkermd

If I should ever get into a car accident, I will be sure to blame the damn road.


4 posted on 12/01/2006 10:32:38 AM PST by Pukin Dog (I will vote for Hillary Clinton for President, before I will vote for John McCain.)
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To: shrinkermd

Good scam if you're the one-side....


5 posted on 12/01/2006 10:33:11 AM PST by dakine
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To: shrinkermd

ain't the payday loans, but abuse of them - people making their own bad decisions.


6 posted on 12/01/2006 10:34:18 AM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you)
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To: shrinkermd
They take a enormous risk in lending the money. As long as you pay the loan off the first time the fee's are not that bad considering the risk. One should only consider such a thing if all sources are tapped and it's either get the loan or be evicted/for closed or go hungry. And one should only take it out if they know they can pay it back and not be put in the same position two weeks from then.
7 posted on 12/01/2006 10:34:25 AM PST by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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To: Pukin Dog

Nah - it's the car manufacturer........


8 posted on 12/01/2006 10:35:43 AM PST by day10 (Whenever you come near the human race, there's layers and layers of nonsense.)
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To: Pukin Dog

Exactly. Nothing much said here that indicates the reason they're "the poor" is in large part because they managed their money so badly in the first place, nor is much said about the fact that although almost everyone warns against these "payday" loans, they still apply for them.

Some might actually these high interest rates "supidity tax."


9 posted on 12/01/2006 10:35:48 AM PST by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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"Some might actually these high interest rates" should have been "some might actually call these high interest rates..." Seem to have left out a word.
10 posted on 12/01/2006 10:37:13 AM PST by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: shrinkermd

Title loan places are just as bad, if not worse, plus their TV commercials are painful to watch.


11 posted on 12/01/2006 10:39:10 AM PST by Disambiguator (This tagline is brought to you by the letter "S" with a slash in front of it.)
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To: MizSterious
"...Some might actually these high interest rates..."

That wasn't the part you should have corrected. The ironic part comes a few words later....
12 posted on 12/01/2006 10:40:21 AM PST by contemplator (Capitalism gets no Rock Concerts)
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To: shrinkermd

One of the things that can help alleviate this problem is to reinstitute the practice of not allowing a servicemember to Marry before they reach a certain rank. (Usually Sgt/E-5)

There were far fewer financial issues amongst the troops when this was in effect.


13 posted on 12/01/2006 10:41:02 AM PST by Leatherneck_MT (In a world where Carpenters come back from the dead, ALL things are possible.)
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To: MizSterious

"supidity tax.""

I thought that was called "the lottery".


14 posted on 12/01/2006 10:42:55 AM PST by L98Fiero (The media as a self-licking ice-cream cone)
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To: Disambiguator
Title loan places are just as bad, if not worse, plus their TV commercials are painful to watch.

Isn't Gary Coleman one of their spokespeople?

15 posted on 12/01/2006 10:43:28 AM PST by Lizavetta
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To: shrinkermd

I've been in a position, from time to time, to help the poor- in so far as we could. The way they allocate resources leaves no doubt as to why they have nothing.


16 posted on 12/01/2006 10:43:32 AM PST by D.P.Roberts
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To: camle

This is call USERY and comdemmed in the bible and in most cultures. They need to be shut down they prey on hte young and ignorant.


17 posted on 12/01/2006 10:43:53 AM PST by FlatLandBeer
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To: jasoncann

I see the damage payday lenders do on a weekly basis. We are trying to educate our young Marines(the people most suceptible to these crooks) that they have numerous, and better options than payday lenders. It's hard when these guys set up shop right outside the gates. Get your hands on one of these payday lender contracts and read it thouroghly, it will shock you how much they gouge people. These lenders also encourage customers to roll the loan over, this is when the customer pays only the interest on the due date and continues the loan untill the next payday. Payday lenders are vermin!!


18 posted on 12/01/2006 10:45:55 AM PST by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: contemplator

What's ironic about calling the high interest rates "stupidity tax?" They are warned over and over about these kinds of loans, yet, they go out and get them. If someone ignores all the warning signs about quicksand, and still walks into it, what is that if not stupidity?

One thing that might help is learning simple math (not "fuzzy" math!) in schools, but for some, not even that would help.

We ARE responsible for our own acts, and that includes making bad decisions. When we goof up, we pay the stupidity tax.


19 posted on 12/01/2006 10:46:27 AM PST by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: shrinkermd

One of our locals wrote a letter to the editor of our daily fishwrap, last week. Here in Arkansas, payday loans are a hot topic. He says one of his daughter's payroll checks had bounced, a few weeks ago, causing her to have several checks bounce, at her local bank. As a result, several checks that she had written bounced, as well, and she incurred nearly $500 in service charges from her bank at $29.00 per check. He wondered which entity was worse; the payday loan industry or banks with "virtual loans" to cover overdrafts. I wonder, too. I suppose the banks charging these outrageous fees are the more legitimate of the two because they have larger buildings in prime locations.


20 posted on 12/01/2006 10:47:08 AM PST by thelastvirgil (Lest ye put all your faith in the government to provide for you, check their track record.)
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To: shrinkermd

So much for belief in the free market.


21 posted on 12/01/2006 10:47:36 AM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: jasoncann

I know a guy that is throwing away 70% of his disability check on these places. He owes at about 5 places.


22 posted on 12/01/2006 10:48:15 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

"reinstitute the practice of not allowing a servicemember to Marry before they reach a certain rank."

"if the Navy wanted you to have a wife they would have issued you one with your seabag"

That's what I was told when I was in. LOL

Not sure how well that would work in the all volunteer military.

Also, don't forget that many of our guys and gals are reserves that lost income from their regular jobs when they were called to active duty.

Many of them were in relatively high paying (compared to active duty pay) positions prior to being recalled.


23 posted on 12/01/2006 10:48:56 AM PST by EEDUDE
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To: shrinkermd

There has been a huge advertising effort for a company named "Cash Call". They offer loans from $2600 to $20K with interest rates from 21% to 96%. One could pay over 44K for a 10K loan. Ouch.


24 posted on 12/01/2006 10:49:27 AM PST by steveo (ADVERTISEMENT)
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To: Leatherneck_MT
Waaaall now partner, I resemble that remark.

Confirmed barracks rat for 6 years.

Had a jeep, plenty on money, three hots and a cot.

Later I got married and it's been down hill from there. :-)
25 posted on 12/01/2006 10:50:20 AM PST by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

"....to reinstitute the practice of not allowing a servicemember to Marry before they reach a certain rank. (Usually Sgt/E-5)"

hahaha...that is funny...


26 posted on 12/01/2006 10:50:38 AM PST by dakine
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To: shrinkermd
In September, Congress passed an amendment to the Defense Department Authorization bill, creating a 36 percent cap on interest rates that members of the military can be charged on loans.

36 percent is unconscionable.

Time to bring back usury laws to keep the pirates in check.

27 posted on 12/01/2006 10:51:14 AM PST by Ditto
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To: FlatLandBeer

the 'victims' are adults. are you suggesting that the government protect adults from themselves?

no one forced them to get into this.


28 posted on 12/01/2006 10:52:31 AM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you)
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To: thelastvirgil

Banks also offer overdraft protection so that will not happen.


29 posted on 12/01/2006 10:54:11 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: Leatherneck_MT

Maybe I misread the article, but I could have sworn it wasn't talking solely about the military. We don't have a lot of military in our small town (most live closer to Oklahoma City), so most of these little mini-loan sharks who've set up shop around here are for small town non-military folks.

Our neighbor's kid, for instance, has used them a lot--and his parents bail him out from time to time--but what we see is that he takes his paycheck, spends it as fast as he can on booze, the gambling casinos, and videogames, then "runs a little short." His folks aren't helping by bailing him out. They need to teach him how to add and subtract, so that he can tell the difference between how much he's spending, and how much he's earning.

I don't think this kid is that unusual.


30 posted on 12/01/2006 10:54:26 AM PST by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: EEDUDE

navy wife - seabag?

I get it!:-)


31 posted on 12/01/2006 10:55:39 AM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you)
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To: MizSterious

Sadly, I'll bet you're right.


32 posted on 12/01/2006 10:57:25 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: shrinkermd
Cash-starved Americans, many of them serving in the U.S. military they sure buried the put down of our fine military people deep into the article
33 posted on 12/01/2006 10:58:01 AM PST by SF Republican
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To: shrinkermd

The problem with these is that once the borrower pays them back, they're usually short on bills again and the cycle repeats with $100 fees every time. A more traditional loan is a better alternative honestly, even if it's at 25% interest.


34 posted on 12/01/2006 11:00:21 AM PST by RockinRight (There's nothing in the middle of the road but yellow stripes and dead armadillos.)
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To: shrinkermd

Sounds like Pawn Gone Wild.


35 posted on 12/01/2006 11:01:13 AM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Naziism was in 1937.)
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To: camle

exactly...


36 posted on 12/01/2006 11:02:06 AM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: Disambiguator

They should be illegal just on the basis of the stupidity of their commercials.

Then again, if stupidity were illegal, most Congresscritters would be in jail.

;-)


37 posted on 12/01/2006 11:02:25 AM PST by RockinRight (There's nothing in the middle of the road but yellow stripes and dead armadillos.)
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To: SF Republican

I don't see that as a criticism of those who serve, just a criticism of how much (or little) they are paid to do so.


38 posted on 12/01/2006 11:03:10 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: thelastvirgil

My wife had a payroll check bounce five years ago and her boss was an ex-banker who bounced checks from bank to bank; I called BofA, explained the situation and they voided all the service charges upon a cash deposit which my wife got the next day after telling her boss that I am an avid letter-to-the-editor contributer.


39 posted on 12/01/2006 11:03:37 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: jasoncann

There may be something else afoot here.

I know a guy that makes very good money. He has no credit cards and maybe not even a bank account. He has an agreement (a lowere rate) with a "payday loan" place next to an airport and only takes cash or checks when you do business with him. If you give him a check, he cashes it at the payday loan place.

He uses cash for EVERYTHING.

I don't think the government likes people they can't track.


40 posted on 12/01/2006 11:04:47 AM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Naziism was in 1937.)
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To: D.P.Roberts

You mean like, using food stamps to buy filet, and spending all their money on beer and cigarettes while the kids walk around hungry and naked?


41 posted on 12/01/2006 11:05:47 AM PST by RockinRight (There's nothing in the middle of the road but yellow stripes and dead armadillos.)
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To: MizSterious

>>Some might actually these high interest rates "supidity tax."<<

That's what I call lottery tickets. :)


42 posted on 12/01/2006 11:05:57 AM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Naziism was in 1937.)
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To: shrinkermd

I guess the question is, is it the goverment's job to protect the ignorant (not to say stupid) from themselves? My natural tendency would be to say no, but the predatory practices of these outfits are quite appalling.


43 posted on 12/01/2006 11:06:09 AM PST by -YYZ-
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To: shrinkermd

Loan sharks usually have more dignity than these folks.


44 posted on 12/01/2006 11:07:05 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: sean327

It is morally irresponsible to allow a fool to keep his money.


45 posted on 12/01/2006 11:07:48 AM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Naziism was in 1937.)
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To: jasoncann
Payday loans are a plague on the earth... they should be run out of town at every chance.. Ditto that. A long-time friend of mine opened a payday loan store, and I ended the friendship.
46 posted on 12/01/2006 11:08:38 AM PST by SoDak
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To: linda_22003

If you qualify credit-wise, which some people don't.


47 posted on 12/01/2006 11:09:12 AM PST by RockinRight (There's nothing in the middle of the road but yellow stripes and dead armadillos.)
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To: RockinRight

Actually, the one I remember most was grabbing a taxi to run across town because he had some coupons for a store there.


48 posted on 12/01/2006 11:09:26 AM PST by D.P.Roberts
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To: shrinkermd

This is usury, pure and simple. These folks prey on the poor and the ignorant like loansharks did a generation ago. Except it's legal now.

The fact that something is legal does not make it right. Usury runs against Scripture and is immoral.


49 posted on 12/01/2006 11:09:52 AM PST by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: RockinRight

I admit, this whole "payday loan" thing is unfamiliar to me; I don't think I've even seen the ads that some people mention. I was taught very young to handle money responsibly, by parents who always did so, and that's one of the best gifts parents can give.


50 posted on 12/01/2006 11:10:51 AM PST by linda_22003
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