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Pyramids were built with concrete rather than rocks, scientists claim
UK Times Online ^ | Today | Chalres Bremner

Posted on 12/01/2006 3:55:23 PM PST by Rodney King

The Ancient Egyptians built their great Pyramids by pouring concrete into blocks high on the site rather than hauling up giant stones, according to a new Franco-American study.

The research, by materials scientists from national institutions, adds fuel to a theory that the pharaohs’ craftsmen had enough skill and materials at hand to cast the two-tonne limestone blocks that dress the Cheops and other Pyramids.

Despite mounting support from scientists, Egyptologists have rejected the concrete claim, first made in the late 1970s by Joseph Davidovits, a French chemist.

The stones, say the historians and archeologists, were all carved from nearby quarries, heaved up huge ramps and set in place by armies of workers. Some dissenters say that levers or pulleys were used, even though the wheel had not been invented at that time.

Until recently it was hard for geologists to distinguish between natural limestone and the kind that would have been made by reconstituting liquefied lime.

But according to Professor Gilles Hug, of the French National Aerospace Research Agency (Onera), and Professor Michel Barsoum, of Drexel University in Philadelphia, the covering of the great Pyramids at Giza consists of two types of stone: one from the quarries and one man-made.

“There’s no way around it. The chemistry is well and truly different,” Professor Hug told Science et Vie magazine. Their study is being published this month in the Journal of the American Ceramic Society.

The pair used X-rays, a plasma torch and electron microscopes to compare small fragments from pyramids with stone from the Toura and Maadi quarries.

They found “traces of a rapid chemical reaction which did not allow natural crystalisation . . . The reaction would be inexplicable if the stones were quarried, but perfectly comprehensible if one accepts that they were cast like concrete.”

The pair believe that the concrete method was used only for the stones on the higher levels of the Pyramids. There are some 2.5 million stone blocks on the Cheops Pyramid. The 10-tonne granite blocks at their heart were also natural, they say. The professors agree with the “Davidovits theory” that soft limestone was quarried on the damp south side of the Giza Plateau. This was then dissolved in large, Nile-fed pools until it became a watery slurry.

Lime from fireplace ash and salt were mixed in with it. The water evaporated, leaving a moist, clay-like mixture. This wet “concrete” would have been carried to the site and packed into wooden moulds where it would set hard in a few days. Mr Davidovits and his team at the Geopolymer Institute at Saint-Quentin tested the method recently, producing a large block of concrete limestone in ten days.

New support for their case came from Guy Demortier, a materials scientist at Namur University in Belgium. Originally a sceptic, he told the French magazine that a decade of study had made him a convert: “The three majestic Pyramids of Cheops, Khephren and Mykerinos are well and truly made from concrete stones.”

The concrete theorists also point out differences in density of the pyramid stones, which have a higher mass near the bottom and bubbles near the top, like old-style cement blocks.

Opponents of the theory dispute the scientific evidence. They also say that the diverse shapes of the stones show that moulds were not used. They add that a huge amount of limestone chalk and burnt wood would have been needed to make the concrete, while the Egyptians had the manpower to hoist all the natural stone they wanted.

The concrete theorists say that they will be unable to prove their theory conclusively until the Egyptian authorities give them access to substantial samples


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: davidovits; geopolymer; geopolymerization; geopolymers; giza; godsgravesglyphs; greatpyramid; josephdavidovits; michelbarsoum; michelwbarsoum; pyramids
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To: GSlob
Well, let's settle this wheel controversy once and for all, Algore invented it.
41 posted on 12/01/2006 4:27:53 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: Rodney King; PetroniusMaximus; WorkingClassFilth

... with that much concrete gettin' poured ,...

. . . those jodsites had to have been All Mobbed Up


42 posted on 12/01/2006 4:28:00 PM PST by Dad yer funny (FoxNews is morphing , and not for the better ,... internal struggle? Its hard to watch)
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To: bill1952

but that wasn't prehistoric.


43 posted on 12/01/2006 4:28:13 PM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: cripplecreek

Oh, I'd wager the ancient Egyptians were plenty smart enough to build the pyramids with either technology. The modern Egyptians, however, are certain evidence of de-evolution. Stupid and degraded are two adjectives that come to mind.


44 posted on 12/01/2006 4:28:55 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Ever learning . . .)
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To: blam; SunkenCiv

Heads up! This could get interesting...


45 posted on 12/01/2006 4:29:56 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: SunkenCiv

ggg ping


46 posted on 12/01/2006 4:31:55 PM PST by Fractal Trader
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To: All
And then I said - I will build 'em, and they will come!

47 posted on 12/01/2006 4:36:38 PM PST by gb63
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To: Indy Pendance

He was not in Europe at the time, I believe. In those days he was living it on the hog from the patent royalties on his loincloth invention. And bow and arrows prior to that.


48 posted on 12/01/2006 4:38:11 PM PST by GSlob
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To: Alter Kaker

That is an understatement. Hasn't the author ever seen the 10 Commanements?? What were those chariot thingies riding on that chased Charlton Heston?? Duh! ;-)


49 posted on 12/01/2006 4:38:58 PM PST by fremont_steve (Milpitas - a great place to be FROM!)
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To: Rodney King

"...according to a new Franco-American study."

Gee, I think I ate that spaghetti which was about the consistency of concrete.


50 posted on 12/01/2006 4:39:47 PM PST by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: GSlob

Was that before or after he invented tobacco? I don't know why he wasn't elected president, a man of his vision, his complete power.... Heck, he should have ran for God.


51 posted on 12/01/2006 4:41:16 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: L98Fiero
...wonder what Sophocles used as a ring-tone?

"It's Raining Men"?

52 posted on 12/01/2006 4:41:52 PM PST by PRND21
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To: GSlob

That was my first thought as well, either way the logistics are mind boggling.

If you tried to build any of them in California today with modern heavy equipment, good roads and a quarry next door it would take ten times longer (even after the paperwork and payoffs).

TT


53 posted on 12/01/2006 4:42:36 PM PST by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: Rodney King

Art Bell and George Noory aren't going to like this development.


54 posted on 12/01/2006 4:44:24 PM PST by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

What I don't get is why it would have been any easier to haul wet cement up the pyramid. How are they supposed to have done that?


55 posted on 12/01/2006 4:44:51 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep
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To: PRND21

BWAHAHAHA!


56 posted on 12/01/2006 4:45:25 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: doug from upland

If they can get one of the scientists on their show they will do it.


57 posted on 12/01/2006 4:47:41 PM PST by RightWhale (RTRA DLQS GSCW)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

You wouldn't have to take a huge amount of cement in one shot. A bunch of people with baskets of the stuff could use their loads to fill one mold.


58 posted on 12/01/2006 4:47:58 PM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( For the Republic.)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

The original problem was how they cut the blocks so they fit so tightly. The concrete would supposedly take care of that, but maybe too well.


59 posted on 12/01/2006 4:50:03 PM PST by RightWhale (RTRA DLQS GSCW)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

I suppose the mix and pour could have been done at the apex as they went and the sand and cement could have been transported by back via 11 million laborers.


60 posted on 12/01/2006 4:50:05 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Ever learning . . .)
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