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Rush Limbaugh Live Thread Thursday December 7th
RushLimbaugh.com ^ | 12-07-2006

Posted on 12/07/2006 8:49:54 AM PST by MNJohnnie

http://billroggio.com/archives/2006/12/the_military_and_the.php

The Military and The Media

The divide grows

FALLUJAH, IRAQ: I've completed the first leg of the journey to Iraq, after having moved through Dubai, Kuwait and Baghdad. I am now at Camp Fallujah. While in Fallujah, I'll embed with a Marine Police Transition Team (PTT) and also meet with the Civil Affairs Group. The next stop will be Ramadi.

The trip - from my front door to Fallujah - took 3 ½ days, accounting for the 8 hour time shift between the East Coast and Iraq. This is remarkable considering Iraq is a war zone. I spent all of 35 minutes in the Green Zone getting my ID badge and another two hours waiting for a flight to Fallujah. Most of the time was spent waiting at military airbases, trying to catch that next flight out on a plane or helicopter.

During my movement to Fallujah, I was on 3 bases and one camp: At Ali Al Salem (Kuwait), BIAP (Baghdad International Airport), Camp Stryker, and LZ Washington (inside the Green Zone).

The travel is long, and it can be boring if you let it get to you. But you're surrounded by a bunch of soldiers, Marines and contractors that are also traveling, many of them alone. They are either coming back from or going on leave, or moving into or out of the region. Most of them are quite friendly and happy to strike up a conversation. This is an interesting time to speak to them, because they are not as engrossed in the daily grind of Iraq as they are when I see them while I'm embedded. Here is a brief overview of some of the discussions I had with those I met while shuttling around Kuwait and Iraq.

Ali Al Salem:

At the transient tent (where you get to sleep and store your gear while waiting), I spoke to an Explosive Ordinance and Demolitions (EOD) contractor. These are the guys that blow up the leftover explosives and munitions from the Saddam era. He told me about how the media isn't telling the full story about the nature of the enemy, and specifically complained about the manipulation and distortion of the Kay report. He said he's run across bunkers and the equipment and chemical precursors to WMD buried in the deserts of western Iraq.

During a smoke break, an Army private discussed his time in Balad. He said mortars (which are blind-fired) are the greatest threat his unit faces. Not IEDs, I asked? Nope. While waiting to board the flight to BIAP, a Marine Major complained about how the progress in western Iraq has virtually gone unnoticed, and was furious over the characterization of the Devlin report on Anbar province. I gave him my card.

BIAP:

I had the pleasure being the only person on the shuttle bus from BIAP to Camp Stryker, and the driver, an Army specialist, struck up a conversation with me. I needed a SIM chip for my cell phone so I could call the States and in Iraq, so he took me across the base on some extremely bumpy roads looking for a place that sold them. During the drive, he explained his forays into Sadr City, how the residents were largely hostile to U.S. forces, and some engagements he's encountered. Yet he spoke admirably of the Iraqi people. He said they were hard working and willing to fight, and hoped we wouldn't abandon the Iraqi people.

We couldn't find an open store that sold the SIM chip, so he kindly offered to give me his as he knew I was desperate. I paid him for the card and a little extra to call home. He said he'll get a new card tomorrow.

Camp Stryker:

While waiting to catch the flight to the Green Zone, I spoke to two Army captains, one who works in Civil Affairs, the other with the Military Transition Teams. Both explained how the situation could look very different based on your job, but that the Iraqi police and Army were making real progress. They said the Iraqis' skills ranged from poor to excellent, but they always saw improvement.

I also overheard an Army specialist sitting behind me curse the media (and I mean curse), saying they didn't know what they were talking about when it came to Iraq. I talked to him, and explained I'm considered a reporter, and that I won't argue with his points. I made him uncomfortable. Had he known I was 'the press' I think he would have kept it to himself.

LZ Washington:

While waiting to manifest on the flight to Fallujah, CNN played a news segment of President Bush announcing there would be no “graceful exit” from Iraq, and that we'd stay until the mission was complete. Two sergeants in the room cheered. Loudly. They then scoffed at the reports from Baghdad, and jeered the balcony reporting.

In nearly every conversation, the soldiers, Marines and contractors expressed they were upset with the coverage of the war in Iraq in general, and the public perception of the daily situation on the ground. They felt the media was there to sensationalize the news, and several stated some reporters were only interested in “blood and guts.” They freely admitted the obstacles in front of them in Iraq. Most recognized that while we are winning the war on the battlefield, albeit with difficulties in some areas, we are losing the information war. They felt the media had abandoned them.

During each conversation, I was left in the awkward situation of having to explain that while, yes, I am wearing a press badge, I'm not 'one of them.' I used descriptions like 'independent journalist' or 'blogger' in an attempt to separate myself from the pack.

What a terrible situation to be in, having to defend yourself because of your profession. I've always said that the hardest thing about embedding (besides leaving my family) is wearing the badge that says 'PRESS.' That hasn't changed. I hide the badge whenever I can get away with it.

This isn't the first time I encountered this sentiment from the troops. I experienced this attitude from the Marines while I was in western Iraq last year, and the soldiers in the Canadian Army in Afghanistan also expressed frustration with the media's presentation of the war.

Perhaps this tension between the media and the military is nothing new. But it appalls me none the less.


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To: hattend

Caller makes no point ALERT!

You should hear the callers over here!


181 posted on 12/07/2006 10:31:37 AM PST by UKRaddell (I might be movin' to Montana soon)
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To: Fawn
What is the origin of that term 'surrender monkeys'?

I have no idea.

182 posted on 12/07/2006 10:32:24 AM PST by MarkLevinFan
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To: ChicagoConservative27
Iraq Study Group Members

We have met the enemy and he is us.

183 posted on 12/07/2006 10:32:45 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: rottndog

I am trying to look closely at Rush's monitor through the Dittocam. Now I could be wrong but it looks like he has a tiny FR window open somewhere there. ;)


184 posted on 12/07/2006 10:32:59 AM PST by HarmlessLovableFuzzball
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To: mewzilla

Appeasement is a sickening choice and seems to be the verdict of consensus. If the panel's recommendations aren't followed to the letter, the Democrats along with the media will continue to insure that Iraq is a reported "disaster" and a failure. They ultimately can't wait to get their Bubba & Bubbette back in the White House (where they belong) and will stop at nothing to do it. I suppose the chic, wuss media does control a large part of the population after all. - I'm just hunkering down and hoping enough people get woke up and get their empty heads out of the infernal boob tube to turn things around in this country. . where outlaws are now heroes and heroes are outlaws . . . lunatics, asylum and all that.


185 posted on 12/07/2006 10:33:06 AM PST by Twinkie (Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God . . .)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

BOR should simply shut up. He knows utterly NOTHING about Iraq. It is this sort of rabid ignorance in the Junk Media that is the root cause of all this hysteria about Iraq. There is no excuse for someone with his audience to simply go out there and mindless regurgitate the same garbage the rest of the Junk Media is pumping out. He has the staff and money to actually get the story rather then just rip and read the AP wire.

My opinion of him continually sinks. He is nothing but a pretend Conservative. No excuse of this. None.


186 posted on 12/07/2006 10:34:07 AM PST by MNJohnnie (I do not forgive Senator John McCain for helping destroy everything we built since 1980.)
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To: mewzilla

I agree.
But the people in this country LOVE to be told by government. Labour or Tory, Brits like big government and state over-reach.

In world war 2, your guys fought for freedom.
Our guys fought for the freedom to be dictated to by someone who wasn't called Adolf.


187 posted on 12/07/2006 10:34:14 AM PST by UKRaddell (I might be movin' to Montana soon)
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To: MarkLevinFan; Fawn
Surrender monkey is a reference to France


188 posted on 12/07/2006 10:34:50 AM PST by Clint N. Suhks (Jesus is the reason for the season!)
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To: mewzilla

Limbaugh mentioning the possiblility of 'Rats meeting with Hamas....


189 posted on 12/07/2006 10:34:56 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: MarkLevinFan
"What is the origin of that term 'surrender monkeys'?"

A few years ago Dennis Miller on the Tonite Show refered to the French as 'Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys". It's become a popular phrase since.

190 posted on 12/07/2006 10:35:34 AM PST by HarmlessLovableFuzzball
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To: Fawn
I think it has evolved in the same way MOONBAT has.

Found this:

191 posted on 12/07/2006 10:35:34 AM PST by rottndog (WOOF!!!)
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To: mewzilla

Heck, Kerry wrote Iran a mash note a couple of years back...


192 posted on 12/07/2006 10:35:54 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: MarkLevinFan; Fawn

193 posted on 12/07/2006 10:36:02 AM PST by Clint N. Suhks (Jesus is the reason for the season!)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Again.

Bill O'Reily should simply shut up on Iraq. He knows NOTHING at all about the topic. There is NO excuse for somebody with his sort of research resources to be this utterly ignorant on a topic.


194 posted on 12/07/2006 10:36:51 AM PST by MNJohnnie (I do not forgive Senator John McCain for helping destroy everything we built since 1980.)
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To: MNJohnnie

BOR has his finger in the wind too much.


195 posted on 12/07/2006 10:36:59 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball

He'll never admit it.

It would be nice to have a Rush FRink, though.


196 posted on 12/07/2006 10:37:14 AM PST by rottndog (WOOF!!!)
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To: MNJohnnie

Oh no..he just alluded to the Confederates as the 'enemy'.


197 posted on 12/07/2006 10:38:27 AM PST by HarmlessLovableFuzzball
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To: Clint N. Suhks; rottndog

You know why there are trees on the Champs Elysees?

The German army likes to march in the shade.


198 posted on 12/07/2006 10:38:44 AM PST by UKRaddell (I might be movin' to Montana soon)
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To: MNJohnnie

Boy are you right about BOR...

I have never heard anyone make such absolute statements like he does on a regular basis...but, then shows ignorance of the subject that he just pontificated on.

He really needs to read FR.

I did hear him say on his radio show that he seldom EVER reads any websites...(that could be his problem)


199 posted on 12/07/2006 10:39:19 AM PST by Txsleuth (Bolton/Cheney (that would be Lynne) 08)
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To: UKRaddell

Is the socialism in the uk, as bad has in France?


200 posted on 12/07/2006 10:39:44 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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