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Finding an answer to Darwin’s Dilemma
Press Relief Queen's University ^ | 7 December 2006 | Staff

Posted on 12/10/2006 5:29:49 PM PST by shrinkermd

Oxygen may be the clue to first appearance of large animals, says Queen’s prof

The sudden appearance of large animal fossils more than 500 million years ago – a problem that perplexed even Charles Darwin and is commonly known as “Darwin’s Dilemma” – may be due to a huge increase of oxygen in the world’s oceans, says Queen’s paleontologist Guy Narbonne, an expert in the early evolution of animals and their ecosystems.

In 2002, Dr. Narbonne and his research team found the world’s oldest complex life forms between layers of sandstone on the southeastern coast of Newfoundland. This pushed back the age of Earth’s earliest known complex life to more than 575 million years ago, soon after the melting of the massive “snowball” glaciers. New findings reported today shed light on why, after three billion years of mostly single-celled evolution, these large animals suddenly appeared in the fossil record.

In a paper published on-line in Science Express, Dr. Narbonne’s team argues that a huge increase in oxygen following the Gaskiers Glaciation 580 million years ago corresponds with the first appearance of large animal fossils on the Avalon Peninsula in Newfoundland.

Now for the first time, geochemical studies have determined the oxygen levels in the world’s oceans at the time these sediments accumulated in Avalon. “Our studies show that the oldest sediments on the Avalon Peninsula, which completely lack animal fossils, were deposited during a time when there was little or no free oxygen in the world’s oceans,” says Dr. Narbonne. “Immediately after this ice age there is evidence for a huge increase in atmospheric oxygento at least 15 per cent of modern levels, and these sediments also contain evidence of the oldest large animal fossils.”

Also on the research team are Don Canfield (University of Southern Denmark) and Simon Poulton (Newcastle University, U.K.). Geochemical studies by Drs. Canfield and Poulton included measurements of iron speciation and sulphur isotopes to determine the oxygen levels in the world’s oceans at the time these sediments accumulated in Avalon.

The close connection between the first appearance of oxygenated conditions in the world’s oceans and the first appearance of large animal fossils confirms the importance of oxygen as a trigger for the early evolution of animals, the researchers say. They hypothesize that melting glaciers increased the amount of nutrients in the ocean and led to a proliferation of single-celled organisms that liberated oxygen through photosynthesis. This began an evolutionary radiation that led to complex communities of filter-feeding animals, then mobile bilateral animals, and ultimately to the Cambrian “explosion” of skeletal animals 542 million years ago.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: crevolist; darwins; dilema; evolution; goddoodit; junk; speculation; tiresome
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To: webheart; betty boop
I also don't believe that God is going to lie to us all by creating fossils that look like they are older than 10,000 years old, and stars that are over 10,000 light years distant, just to fool us.

It wouldn't fit in with His character to do that but He can't help it if humans misinterpret the data they find.

Adam was created as a grown man, with the appearance of age. The day he was created, how old would you say he was, just by looking at him? You could say (estimate here for the sake of argument) *30 years old* and you would be right, in a way. If you said *one day*, you would also be right but according to all appearnces, you would be wrong. So which one is right? Both are. But God didn't do it with the intend to deceive, He did it out of practicality. He couldn't have started with a sperm and egg and left it lying on the ground.

41 posted on 12/11/2006 5:48:45 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: jwalsh07

Still waiting for a scientific answer to your question....


42 posted on 12/11/2006 5:55:11 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: jwalsh07; metmom
Darwinian evolution, RM/NS/heritability, posits small changes over long periods of time. So, I'll need somebody to help me out with how increases in O2 and nutrient levels explains "the sudden appearance of large animal fossils".

The Cambrian "explosion" took place over millions of years; it was not "sudden" (a fact well-known to anyone who cares to do a few minutes of research).

43 posted on 12/11/2006 6:01:16 AM PST by Quark2005 (Incredulity doesn't make facts go away)
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To: Tarnsman
 

I just don't understand how the theory of evolution calls into question the existence of God. One can believe in both.

 
Ok; just not the Chiristian GOD...
 

 

Most Christians 'believe' Evolution because they do NOT know what their Bible says.

If, as they say, they 'believe' the words of Jesus and the New Testament writers,

they have to decide what the following verses mean:

Acts 17:26-27
26. From one man he made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live.
27. God did this so that men would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us.

Romans 5:12-21
12. Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned--
13. for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law.
14. Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come.
15. But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many!
16. Again, the gift of God is not like the result of the one man's sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification.
17. For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ.
18. Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men.
19. For just as through the disobedience of the one man, the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
20. The law was added so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more,
21. so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

If there were no one man, that means SIN did NOT enter the World thru him.

If Adam was NOT the one man, that means SPIRITUAL DEATH did not come thru him.

If SIN did NOT enter the World thru the one man, that means Jesus does not save from SIN.

Are we to believe that the one man is symbolic? Does that mean Jesus is symbolic as well?

The Theory of Evolution states that there WAS no one man, but a wide population that managed to inherit that last mutated gene that makes MEN different from APES.

Acts 17:24-26

24. "The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by hands.
25. And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything, because he himself gives all men life and breath and everything else.
26.
From one man he made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live.

Was LUKE wrong about this?

 

1 Corinthians 11:8-9
8. For
man did not come from woman, but woman from man;
9. neither was man
created for woman, but woman for man.

1 Timothy 2:13
For Adam was formed first, then Eve.


Was Paul
WRONG about these???

 

If so, is GOD so puny that He allows this 'inaccuracy' in His Word??



And THIS verse is completely against E!!!

NIV Genesis 2:18
The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him."

44 posted on 12/11/2006 6:21:26 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: jim35

Thanks for continuing to live up to the stereotypes.

How old is the universe? 10,000 years?

I want you to show me some proof, not just a bunch of yammering. Whenever a creationist is shown real data, they just ignore it, whenever a creationist is asked to explain something, they cop out and just claim its a miracle. I'd call that pretty snobbish.


45 posted on 12/11/2006 6:24:27 AM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Pro Evolution, Pro Stem Cell Research, Pro Science, Pro Free Thought, and Conservative)
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To: presently no screen name

Actually, you can be a christian and not be ignorant. But it takes one hell of a lot of ignorance in 2006 to cling to a belief that the universe is 10,000 years old because a book of faith is being used as a scientific textbook.

Yeah, I'd say you are ignorant, and pretty petty, you claim to be a Christian, but you are just itching to do the judgement that is reserved to God. I doubt that God appreciates you trying to be His surrogate.


46 posted on 12/11/2006 6:27:14 AM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Pro Evolution, Pro Stem Cell Research, Pro Science, Pro Free Thought, and Conservative)
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To: Quark2005; jwalsh07
So a few million years is enough time to go from single celled, anaerobic bacteria to fully formed land animals capable of living in an oxygenated environment in complex biosystems with plants having evloved at the same time? At what rate would the mutations that were not harmful or neutral to the creature at the exact time necessary and appropriate for the environment in which they lived, have occurred to cause this kind of rapid evolution? That would require that the creature that had the benficial mutation at the time necessary survived and was able to pass it on. Given the present day examples of animal birth rates and percentage of those that survive to adulthood to reproduce, that would mean that the same mutation occurred in many individuals of all the species at the same time and enough of those would have survived to pass it on. Long as millions of years are, *a few million* years still does seem to be sufficient to explain that much change.

Why doesn't evolution happen at that rate all the time? Or, why did it happen at that rate when it's happened so slowly the rest of the time. What speciation has occurred in the last 10,000 years or so that there have been records of human habitation?

47 posted on 12/11/2006 6:32:47 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
"It didn't say that oxygen creates life. Think when you read."

Thanks. My bad. It says oxygen creates fossils.

Seriously, this is what the article says:

" ... the first appearance of oxygenated conditions in the world’s oceans and the first appearance of large animal fossils confirms the importance of oxygen as a trigger for the early evolution of animals, the researchers say. They hypothesize that melting glaciers increased the amount of nutrients in the ocean and led to a proliferation of single-celled organisms that liberated oxygen through photosynthesis. This began an evolutionary radiation that led to complex communities of filter-feeding animals, then mobile bilateral animals, and ultimately to the Cambrian "explosion" of skeletal animals 542 million years ago.

I'm sorry, I simply don't believe a change in the mix of chemicals in the oceans or atmosphere will "trigger" evolution of animals from single-celled organisms.

Even Darwin believed it was a mutation within an existing species which triggered evolution of a new variant. If the mutation was better for survival, the mutated creature lived on, and passed on the mutation.

As an example, consider the following: Did giraffes grow long necks because the trees were tall (environmental trigger), or did mutated giraffes with long necks (genetic trigger) survive and pass on their genes because they could eat more?

This is one of my complaints about those who believe evolution explains the creation of life forms (it does not), rather than just the adaption and change of life forms.

Many evolutionists find it absurd someone can believe the following:

"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

but believe inanimate matter can become a life form. And apparently can believe an increase in oxygen can cause oxygen breathing creatures to evolve from photosynthesizing creatures.

I would put forth the notion that both of these beliefs are based in faith in certain fundamental assumptions.

There is never going to be any evidence proving dirt became life. It is a matter of faith for atheist scientists as well as religious people.

48 posted on 12/11/2006 6:34:08 AM PST by magellan
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To: Central Scrutiniser

"Thanks for continuing to live up to the stereotypes. "

Yeah, I'm just another sterotypical dufus. Proof is hardly something that you're concerned with, since it is in your face, every day. The creationists who you continually label as blind cavemen are not quite as resistant to scientific evidence as you seem to be. OK. Here's something. If a thing exists, it must have been created. You claim evolution proves the non-existence of a creator, so... what did hydrogen evolve from? If people evolved from single-celled organisms, why are there still single-cell organisms? If you claim evolution is the answer to our existence, then why are there no half and half creatures in the fossil record? If the universe is billions of years old, does that mean there can be no creator? You act as though you have all of the answers, that the proof of your assertions is in "science." Then why have so many of these "proofs" been disproven over the years, with constant changes in the story? I think you are so anti-Christian, it blinds you to reality. A single-celled organism is, in itself, so complex that it would be impossible for it to have created itself accidentally. Period. I don't pretend to have all the answers, but looking at these theories of evolution, I sure as heck have a lot of questions. You seem to be satisfied with every bit of supposition, hypothesis and theory that comes down the pike. You are an ignorant, incompetent scientist, and you question nothing. You merely yammer.


49 posted on 12/11/2006 6:55:20 AM PST by jim35 ("...when the lion and the lamb lie down together, ...we'd better damn sure be the lion")
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To: magellan

Brilliantly put, Magellan. I couldn't have said it nearly as well.


50 posted on 12/11/2006 7:01:55 AM PST by jim35 ("...when the lion and the lamb lie down together, ...we'd better damn sure be the lion")
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To: Strategerist; docbnj
It's even more confusing when you have the scientifically illiterate reading very short press releases about something that possibly took a decade of work and likely resulted in a 20 page detailed article in a scientific journal.

OK, so perhaps you would like to provide us with some credentials to demonstrate why it is you feel qualified to condemn everyone who disagrees with you as *scientifically illiterate*? What field is your scientific degree in? What scientific career field are you currently employed in? What qualifies you to pass this kind of judgment on people who you know nothing about except their views on the ToE and creation? How does this entitle you to pass judgment on them as people and as a whole? If they disagreed with you on a different scientific issue, would you also condemn them the same way?

51 posted on 12/11/2006 7:19:37 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: shrinkermd

Once upon a time...


52 posted on 12/11/2006 7:27:40 AM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Pray for our President and for our heroes in Iraq and Afghanistan, and around the world!)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
I'm not 'clinging' to a belief - that's reserved for evos. My belief is 'grounded' in truth. The Bible is the Living Word of God. He is never changing, always the same and His Word stands. 2006? LOL! His Word will be the same even in 3000!

I'm not itching to do anything - it's all in your hands. You cause your own judgment. Any man who claims to know more than The Creator is most prideful. By your decisions here on earth you create your own final outcome. Pointing that out is not judgment. Besides, I doubt you care about your final fate - finding a way for 'your beliefs' to be correct seems more important.

God's not responsible for your final outcome, you are. He will judge you just like anyone else - by HIS Word. He created us and then gave us an instruction book - a Book for all seasons - so we won't be ignorant. Men 'think', God 'knows'.

Furthermore, God does appreciate me spreading HIS WORD for He commands us to do just that.
53 posted on 12/11/2006 7:40:32 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: csense
Well this pre-cambrian ice age is a relatively new addition to the 'evo theorem'

A theorem that seemingly can account for all unknown variables as they become hypothesized and yet still return the same conclusion.

And only the stupid uneducated ignorant don't buy it /sarc>

W.
54 posted on 12/11/2006 7:46:10 AM PST by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: Elsie

But wait! It is all about the O2 argument, and the appearance of large animals!!!!!



And what did God do after he scraped that ball of mud together? He 'breathed' into the nostrils of the mud thing and man became a living soul!!!

It was, IT WAS the miracle of 02 all along!!! God doesn't breath out CO2!!!! He breathes out 02!!!!!! EUREKA!!

Whew. this article had me sweating there for a second or two...


55 posted on 12/11/2006 8:13:37 AM PST by gobucks (Blissful Marriage: A result of a worldly husband's transformation into the Word's wife.)
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To: jim35
Another glimpse at the bedrock for the 'overwhelming mountain of evidence for toe' /s>

Geologists have built up an enigmatic picture of this great Precambrian ice age
56 posted on 12/11/2006 10:54:03 AM PST by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: jwalsh07
My understanding is that "sudden" to the above mentioned fellows means appearing in the strata with insufficent precursors in the lower strata to explain them.

Explain why you wouold expect to find an extensive fossil record of things having no shells or bones.

57 posted on 12/11/2006 12:20:37 PM PST by js1138 (The absolute seriousness of someone who is terminally deluded.)
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To: presently no screen name
I will admit that I am not a trained scientist, however I do play one on TV.

To no screen name and Elsie: No screen name, the Bible, which you claim is unchanged has undergone hundreds of revisions and translations over the years, not to mention the fact that it wasn't decided exactly which books would constitute the Bible until hundreds of years after the death of Jesus.

Elsie, The bible is also unambiguous about the value of pi;
And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other:it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about. (I Kings 7:23)

Did God change the value of pi to 3, just for Solomon? If the bible can be wrong (admittedly a small error, but absolutely and completely wrong) here, doesn't that indicate that it just might not be completely and utterly infallible?

metmom: The Cambrian explosion did not include life on land. Life did not appear on land until the Devonian period, approximately one hundred million years later. As for the time scale of the Cambrian explosion itself; dating is difficult as the major fossil beds are scattered across several continents, but the Burgess Shale, (the most well known Cambrian fossil bed) dates from around 505 mya, some 35 million years after the start of the Cambrian. For comparison, 35 million years ago Australia had just separated from Antarctica, and the first primates were only just appearing.

magellan and jim 35: It's not that the presence of more Oxygen CAUSED the explosion. It's that it ALLOWED it to happen. Since there was more oxygen, it was possible for creatures to become larger and more complex. This means that those mutations which occurred causing larger creatures would survive, instead of dying due to lack of oxygen.

And Jim35, hydrogen 'evolved' from its component parts, protons, neutrons, and electrons. And there are still single celled organisms because evolution DOES NOT mean that things become more complex, only that they diversify to fill niches in their environment. Not every last single celled organism is going to evolve into the next one, etcetera. And, yes, scientists change their minds when they find new data. To date, there has been exactly zero data which shows that either a)evolution did not happen, or b)evolution is impossible.

No, acceptance of Evolution does not require you to not believe in God. Evolution makes no claims, predictions, or anything about the existence or nature of God. What it DOES show is that the book of Genesis is not factually true. It shows that it is an allegorical tale, created by an ancient people to explain their origin and to explain the source of their moral code.
58 posted on 12/11/2006 12:46:38 PM PST by 49th (Freedom is the distance between Church and State)
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To: metmom

Iron exposed to the atmosphere. That is, either on the surface or washed down into the ocean from immense basaltic deposits. The oxygen produced as waste by anaerobic microorganisms would first bind with the oceanic iron, then as it became depleted the oxygen would bubble to the surface and enter the atmosphere. It would have to combine with surface iron and any other active molecules before it could accumulate in quantity.

To this day, the vast majority of Earth's free oxygen is produced by ocean microorganisms.


59 posted on 12/11/2006 2:30:04 PM PST by Popocatapetl
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To: 49th
I've watched you make your semantic argument about 'speculations' for some time...However, this word which you cling to: 'speculation'..."

Thank you for a lengthly response, the time and attention you have afforded me, and the compliments...but I think you have me confused with someone else.

To my recollection, I don't use that term very often, and only when necessary...although, I don't disagree with those that do frame their argument around it, consistently. I like to approach argumentation slightly different than most people, and those who might know me here, can attest to that. I like to work from principles, and argue accordingly.

60 posted on 12/11/2006 3:56:23 PM PST by csense
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