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Full-Size Christmas Trees to Return to Seattle Airport [all trees going back up!]
Fox News Online ^ | 12/12/06 | AP

Posted on 12/11/2006 10:13:29 PM PST by TheBigB

SEATAC, Wash. — The Christmas trees are going back up at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport.

Port of Seattle officials had ordered the trees taken down over the weekend after a local rabbi threatened a lawsuit if a menorah wasn't also displayed at the airport.

Airport officials say they took that action out of concern that if they allowed the addition of a menorah, they would also have to display symbols of other religions and cultures, which was not something airport workers had time for during the busiest travel season of the year.

Rabbi Elazar Bogomilsky says he never asked that the trees be taken down, and the threat of a lawsuit was withdrawn.

With the threat of the lawsuit gone, airport spokesman Bob Parker says all 14 trees will go back up -- hopefully by tomorrow morning.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: airport; antichristian; bahumbug; bigotry; christmas; culturewar; freep; freeping; hannukah; menorah; merrychristmas; onepercent; portofseattle; rabid; scrooge; seatac; seattle; suecrazy; suescenareo; waronchristmas; xmas
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To: MotleyGirl70
It reads:

Have a nice day.

No Sorry, can't have that!

Use of the word "Day" implies sun worshippers, ie followers of Ra, Apollo or Amaterasu, and would exclude those that worship the Night of Shiva, amongst others....

This is clearly a devisive and imflammatory statement..

281 posted on 12/12/2006 11:46:24 AM PST by Wil H
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To: brad031OIF2

Welcome aboard! And thanks for the first hand account...and more importantly, thank you for serving in the Military!!

Merry Christmas!


282 posted on 12/12/2006 11:47:26 AM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Get right with God....eternity is a long time.....)
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To: SJackson
No, I quoted Balckmum's words directly from the majority opinion:
...The Christmas tree, unlike the menorah, is not itself a religious symbol. "

I don't do any "suggesting", I'm not presuming anything or reaching any conclusions. His words are clear and misunderstandable.

A creche, menorah, or crucifix's display has to be done in a way that makes it clear it is not done to endorse a religion, by law.
Not a decorated tree.

I don't know what they'll do next year, they say they're going to discuss it with the rabbi and others- so I guess he had success.
If the court reviews Lemon- even with the current members- they'll be able to display about whatever they want.

283 posted on 12/12/2006 11:52:25 AM PST by mrsmith
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To: TheBigB

Might this be the birth of the death of Political Correctness?


284 posted on 12/12/2006 11:52:33 AM PST by BerryessaJim (An offer not to be refused)
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To: brad031OIF2
We do live in a country where you have to "Press 1 for English".

So far.

285 posted on 12/12/2006 11:53:54 AM PST by thulldud ("Para inglés, oprima el dos.")
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To: GovernmentIsTheProblem
So you're enumerating the penumbra of what National Holiday means? So much for conservative strict constructionism eh?

No; I was drawing a comparison to the empty, legalistic definition of National Holiday with regard to Christmas as only connoting a day off from work.

286 posted on 12/12/2006 11:56:48 AM PST by Albion Wilde (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. -2 Cor 3:17)
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To: TheBigB

Ho Ho Ho! Merry Christmas and Happy Birthday once again- to the world's greatest Jew!


287 posted on 12/12/2006 12:17:15 PM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: mrsmith
No, I quoted Balckmum's words directly from the majority opinion: ...The Christmas tree, unlike the menorah, is not itself a religious symbol. "
I don't do any "suggesting", I'm not presuming anything or reaching any conclusions. His words are clear and misunderstandable.

It's a long decision. You left out the preceding paragraph, which sets the stage for your quote

Accordingly, the relevant question for Establishment Clause purposes is whether the combined display of the tree, the sign, and the menorah has the effect of endorsing both Christian and Jewish faiths, or rather simply recognizes that both Christmas and Chanukah are part of the same winter-holiday season, which has attained a secular status in our society. Of the two interpretations of this particular display, the latter seems far more plausible and is also in line with Lynch

While the tree on it's own is not a religious symbol, in the context of it's display with a Menorah, it serves the purpose of recognizing Christianity. If it didn't the court would have ordered the Menorahs removal, as it did with the Creche, not because it was a religious symbol, because it stood alone with no symbols of other religions, thus constituted an endorsement.

However the Sea-Tac situation differs in a significant way. In Allegheny the ACLU was suing to have the displays removed. Had there been a suit here, it would have been to require a display. At this point it's academic.

288 posted on 12/12/2006 12:22:47 PM PST by SJackson (had to move the national debate from whether to stay the course to how do we start down the path out)
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To: potlatch




289 posted on 12/12/2006 12:26:47 PM PST by devolve ( ....terminate_liberal_media_&_neocoms)
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To: TheBigB

How long until someone else makes the threat? It apparently only takes one idiot to make SEATAC wither.


290 posted on 12/12/2006 12:29:12 PM PST by Teacher317
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To: Teacher317

SEATAC? Where is the ACLU? Death to Political Correctness!!


291 posted on 12/12/2006 12:33:28 PM PST by BerryessaJim (An offer not to be refused)
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To: leilani
He made a mistake letting his lawyer go nuclear, has admitted it & apologized for...,

Could you point me to an exact quote from the Rabbi where he did what say here. All I have read is the typical democrat appology of pointing the finger at the other party and declaring yourself the victim and it was all a misunderstanding.

292 posted on 12/12/2006 12:38:23 PM PST by Diplomat
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To: PigRigger
Saved the pic. This is what it is coming to.
293 posted on 12/12/2006 12:49:15 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Airports have public places they allow to be used for all sorts of cultural exhibits, what's wrong with displaying a menorah?

The same exact thing that is wrong with placing a manger scene there.

294 posted on 12/12/2006 12:50:06 PM PST by Diplomat
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To: potlatch; devolve; ntnychik; PhilDragoo; bitt; dixiechick2000; Smartass; ...

295 posted on 12/12/2006 12:51:44 PM PST by Lady Jag (Bravery is being the only one who knows you're afraid)
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To: All
GOOD JOB!

See?... we just start ex·ert·ing our power, just like every other darn group does... we have to learn from them :)

296 posted on 12/12/2006 12:57:44 PM PST by ElPatriota (Let's not forget, we are all still friends - basically :) - despite our differences)
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To: Lady Jag
Several times actually.
297 posted on 12/12/2006 1:13:05 PM PST by Millee (Tagline free since 10/20/06)
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To: SJackson
"It's a long decision. You left out the preceding paragraph"
I left out a whole lot- which you should read. Including O'connor's concurance: "[it] is not regarded today as a religious symbol. Although Christmas is a public holiday that has both religious and secular aspects, the Christmas tree is widely viewed as a secular symbol of the holiday, in contrast to the creche which depicts the holiday's religious dimensions." ...By accompanying its display of a Christmas tree - a secular symbol of the Christmas holiday season - with a salute to liberty, and by adding a religious symbol from a Jewish holiday also celebrated at roughly the same time of year, I conclude that the city did not endorse Judaism or religion in general, but rather conveyed a message [492 U.S. 573, 640] of pluralism and freedom of belief during the holiday season." ".

(From your remarks you missed that it was the menorah that was at issue, not the tree. )

It is clear that the trees did not raise a First Amendment issue for the Rabbi, any more than a snowman or Santa would have. Whether one agrees or not that the tree is secular, it was deemed so by the Supreme Court so they could keep their Lemon Test.
Displaying a menorah OTOJ does raise a First Amendment issue. It doesn't look like it would be hard to address it, the trees are already there and just a "liberty sign" would meet "Alleghany". But It opens them up to other demands by other groups today: Wiccans and Moslems and various Christian and other sects.

Sure it's academic, but facts matter. The Rabbi did not have a case.

298 posted on 12/12/2006 1:26:45 PM PST by mrsmith
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To: Millee

You have three socks?


299 posted on 12/12/2006 1:32:11 PM PST by Lady Jag (Bravery is being the only one who knows you're afraid)
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To: mrsmith
Something else that I have not really heard commented on is, The guy's a RABBI.

It's not like he was the local Grandma Cookie Cutter Brigade, or part of a Boy Scout troop from a Jewish neighborhood.

He's a Rabbi.

If a Catholic priest were to walk in there and demand a Cross be put up, does anybody else think it kinda, sorta, maybe or even MIGHT be religious in nature?
300 posted on 12/12/2006 2:07:31 PM PST by djf (They have their place. We have our place. WAKE UP!! They want to turn our place into their place!!!)
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