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Pentagon Evangelism Called 'National Security Threat'
www.cnsnews.com ^ | Dec 12, 2006 | Nathan Burchfiel

Posted on 12/12/2006 6:19:34 AM PST by Bulldawg Fan

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To: Idaho Whacko

"Another Jewish attack on Christianity"?

Did I read you right?

You're insane, and failing that, extremely bigoted.


21 posted on 12/12/2006 7:48:58 AM PST by squarebarb
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To: Bulldawg Fan
A message for Mikey Weinstein:

"And He shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."

Matthew 13:42

22 posted on 12/12/2006 7:54:08 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Bulldawg Fan

IMO, the only reason the trees are back is because it wasn't a Muslim who complained in the first place.


23 posted on 12/12/2006 7:54:46 AM PST by agrace (http://www.homeschoolblogger.com/agrace/)
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To: Bulldawg Fan

Could we rename this org the Silly Military Religious Unified Freedom Foundation? SMURFF. Cute little blue guys.


24 posted on 12/12/2006 7:57:10 AM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: Bulldawg Fan

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25 posted on 12/12/2006 8:01:02 AM PST by Xenophon450 (im on ur thread, replyng to ur topix)
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To: Bulldawg Fan
Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked: Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice ? And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.

It is substantially true that virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government. The rule, indeed, extends with more or less force to every species of free government. Who that is a sincere friend to it can look with indifference upon attempts to shake the foundation of the fabric? - George Washington, Farewell Address

. . . and where is morality more necessary than in the branch of government which wields the power of the sword?


26 posted on 12/12/2006 8:02:22 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY

I think there is a misconception that because someone identifies himself as Jewish or Christian, he must actually practice the faith and adhere to its standards. Among my fellow practicing Catholics, I find there to be a great kinship between Jew and Christian. Our faith emanates directly from Judaism, and follows the same path for much of history.


27 posted on 12/12/2006 8:16:56 AM PST by CASchack
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

The US "Christian military" are the only ones in the world ready to defend Israel and its people. Who else is willing to lay down their lives for them?

**crickets**


28 posted on 12/12/2006 8:21:42 AM PST by khnyny (God Bless the Republic for which it stands)
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To: Bulldawg Fan

Religious freedom is fine, but not in uniform and not during duty hours. In the military, discussing religion or politics in uniform and during duty hours is a major no-no, and when it happens the level of discomfort goes through the roof.

The highest ranking officer, a LTC Chaplain, I saw relieved was for just such an offense. He made two grave errors: he wavered from his non-sectarian function, and he confused his particular sects' beliefs with army policy. In the same speech in front of the Post Commander.

A brief mention of Jesus would not have offended, but he went on about Jesus being the only path to salvation in front of a group of officers. A Jewish officer sat to my right and seethed, and a Moslem officer sat to my left and seethed. The Chaplain also had some unkind things to say about Catholics.

He then went on a rant about "sins" forbidden by the UCMJ, many of which weren't in any way unlawful, such as abortion, fornication, and not attending church on Sunday.

Okay, so he was probably insane. But the principle still holds, that military people are creatures of rank and hierarchy, and anything that even creates the appearance of impropriety raises tension levels in a hurry.

And religion and politics are improper things to discuss.


29 posted on 12/12/2006 8:35:36 AM PST by Popocatapetl
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To: Popocatapetl

"...religion and politics are improper things to discuss."

A STUPID Victorianism! Those are the only subjects that really matter. Everything else is superficial.


30 posted on 12/12/2006 9:20:11 AM PST by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( ISLAMA DELENDA EST!)
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To: CASchack

"...a misconception that because someone identifies himself as Jewish or Christian, he must actually practice the faith..."

MISCONCEPTION? WTF?
Sorry, if you don't follow Christ, you're NOT a Christian; and an atheist cannot be a Jew or Christian!


31 posted on 12/12/2006 9:24:51 AM PST by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( ISLAMA DELENDA EST!)
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To: Kimmers

Gates, fortunately, will be a short termer. His record at A&M demonstrates that he is a social leftist - aggressive on "diversity" and the rest of the Gramscian agenda.


32 posted on 12/12/2006 9:26:44 AM PST by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: Bulldawg Fan

When the Western Christian Culture rises up against those who would try to bury it, look out.


33 posted on 12/12/2006 9:44:30 AM PST by Colonel PK (Say what you will, I don't have to agree with you.)
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To: ecomcon
Are soldiers really that delicate, sensitive and weak willed and full of fear?

There are many brave and valiant warriors, utterly fearless in battle, who think twice before annoying their seniors.

The worst the enemy can do is kill or maim you. One's seniors can ensure that you are never promoted, and that you are eventually forced to leave the service under a cloud ("if he were worth a damn, he wouldn't have been forced out.") Hell, if one has a family to support, not annoying the boss becomes job one.

34 posted on 12/12/2006 9:50:06 AM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (Dyslexics of the world, UNTIE!)
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To: khnyny
"The US "Christian military" are the only ones in the world ready to defend Israel and its people. Who else is willing to lay down their lives for them?

**crickets**"

Perhaps the Israelis will lay down their own lives in defense of their country? I do not believe it is the obligation of our military to fight and die for Israel, and I sure don't want military leaders who believe that is their obligation. As American soldiers their loyalty is due to this country and this country alone, no others, not even Israel. If our forces are ordered to fight in defense of Israel, that's exactly what they need to do. On the other hand, allegiances change and if our soldiers are for some reason ordered to engage and defeat IDF forces, then they better do it. If their religious beliefs or some sense of obligation to Israel would preclude them from doing this, they are in the wrong line of work.
35 posted on 12/12/2006 10:48:41 AM PST by TKDietz (")
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To: Popocatapetl

"Religious freedom is fine, but not in uniform and not during duty hours. In the military, discussing religion or politics in uniform and during duty hours is a major no-no, and when it happens the level of discomfort goes through the roof."

Not sure if you're aware of this or not, but the Military is on Duty Hours 24 and 7, 365 days out of the year. In Uniform or not.

Denying them the right to their religious freedom at ANY time to pray, read the bible or even talk amongst themselves about their beliefs is a direct violation of the 1st Amendment.

Now, within reason, a superior officer should not preach to a subordinate, unless that subordinate is in his or her church. But your assertation that they should not be allowed to practice their faith in uniform and on duty is incorrect.


36 posted on 12/12/2006 11:19:35 AM PST by Leatherneck_MT (In a world where Carpenters come back from the dead, ALL things are possible.)
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To: Leatherneck_MT
Not sure if you're aware of this or not, but the Military is on Duty Hours 24 and 7, 365 days out of the year. In Uniform or not.

That cannot be correct. Among other things, getting a drink at the Enlisted Club becomes "being drunk on duty."

37 posted on 12/12/2006 12:23:28 PM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (Dyslexics of the world, UNTIE!)
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To: Bulldawg Fan

Closeting, denying or abandoning our own dominant faith is as much a practical victory for those of an opposite belief as adopting theirs; just not as satisfying in terms of long range goals.


38 posted on 12/12/2006 12:34:04 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

The military distinguishes on-duty and off-duty, and does provide many accommodations to religious practices. However, there are many restrictions that distinguish when and where religious practices are authorized.

For example, proselytizing is completely forbidden in the entire overseas CENTCOM region of operations. And any extraneous conversation may be restricted during a mission cycle, for obvious reasons.

If objections are made by someone who has been approached to discuss religion, then the advocate may be directed to not approach them again.

And if soldiers or officers are required to be in attendance, then it is inappropriate for them to be addressed on the subjects of politics or religion, except as relates to military policies concerning these two.

The military does reserve the right to recognize only major religions.

These are not unduly restrictive, and are needed for the proper functioning of the military and its mission; plus there is ample opportunity for accommodation for those who feel a policy inhibits their religious practices.


39 posted on 12/12/2006 12:40:16 PM PST by Popocatapetl
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To: Bulldawg Fan
A full Colonel, newly arrived on the job, called me (a major) into his office and counselled me that membership in the Knights of Columbus would give my career a boost and increase my visibility to Senior Officers. He finished by saying, "Can I expect you'll be joining next week?"

I responded by saying, "Sir, I thought K of C membership was only for Catholics." It took him about 30 seconds to grasp my meaning, then he said, "Oh, yeah. We're through here, Major."

40 posted on 12/12/2006 12:43:10 PM PST by CholeraJoe (Spork weasels ain't afraid of nuthin' but running out of sardines.)
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