Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

California, there I went
SF Gate ^ | December 14, 2006 | editorial

Posted on 12/14/2006 4:17:40 PM PST by Lorianne

FOR THE first time, the number of people moving out of California outnumbered those moving in -- during a supposed economic expansion. It isn't over yet, either -- demographers expect this trend to continue, probably for several years.

The loss isn't a large one. The California Department of Finance recorded a net loss of about 29,000 people from 2004-05, and it expects that the numbers for 2005-06 will be comparable. But it does cut across most ethnic groups -- whites, Latinos and African Americans, with only Asians showing a net gain -- and has hit families particularly hard, if faster-than-predicted school enrollment declines are to be believed.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; californicated
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-58 next last
To: Vn_survivor_67-68

let's spread some more of those illegal aliens around the other 49 states then.


21 posted on 12/14/2006 5:01:03 PM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Lorianne

This trend is verified by the U-Haul index, the difference in the price paid for a rental truck leaving California versus what you pay to drive a U-Haul to California. It's a barometer of supply and demand as well as incentives and penalties necessary to keep a supply of trucks available at all locations.

San Francisco to Las Vegas $757
Las Vegas to San Francisco $313

San Francisco to Portland $1483
Portland to San Francisco $199

San Francisco to Seattle $1648
Seattle to San Francisco $353

San Francisco to Phoenix $1669
Phoenix to San Francisco $131

San Francisco to Albuquerque $2277
Albuquerque to San Francisco $716

San Francisco to Boise $2557
Boise to San Francisco $199


22 posted on 12/14/2006 5:03:29 PM PST by concentric circles
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Lorianne

You reap what you sow. You folks elected the socialists---live with it!!


23 posted on 12/14/2006 5:14:22 PM PST by taillightchaser (!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Lorianne
"It's not a sign of this state becoming the next Detroit, but if it is, in fact, a sign of the difficulty of buying a house in California, or congestion -- as we've heard -- then we should be concerned," said Hans Johnson, a demographer with the nonprofit Public Policy Institute of California.

The little educator from Berkeley just HAD to take a cheap shot at Detroit. Hey, we're in bad shape but we're not as bad as Detroit! What a jerk.

24 posted on 12/14/2006 5:15:30 PM PST by Azzurri
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Lorianne
Both my husband and I were born in California (we are 41 and 43) and lived there until last year. Our 3 children were born in CA (20, 15 and 6).

However, I was ready to be a stay at home mom and there was no way - even with 2 salaries - that we could buy a house.

So, we packed up the family and moved to Nevada. We are in a small town just outside Carson City and we have not once regretted the move.

Friends said that we really needed to think because once we left we wouldn't be able to come back. No problem with that - we have no plan EVER to return to Kalifornia.
25 posted on 12/14/2006 5:17:24 PM PST by ninergold3 (Jesus Loves Me This I Know - For The Bible Tells Me So)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Vn_survivor_67-68

yes, it IS dreadful .. they're moving to and changing the demographics in OR/WA/AZ/NV, etc. Let them all stay in one place and enjoy Barbara Boxer and Diane Feinstein, instead of spreading the wealth to other states.


26 posted on 12/14/2006 5:19:46 PM PST by EDINVA
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: taillightchaser
You folks elected the socialists---live with it

I beg to differ. I NEVER, EVER, EVER, voted for anyone other than a Republican - even when I wasn't thrilled with his/her agenda. We "good guys" were just way outnumbered.
27 posted on 12/14/2006 5:21:05 PM PST by ninergold3 (Jesus Loves Me This I Know - For The Bible Tells Me So)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: Lorianne

There's still a few conservative strongholds here in California. I moved from Long Beach to a little town half way up the state, nestled up against the Sierra Nevada Mountains. I DREAD it every time I find some reason why I have to go back, even if it's for a day. When my wife goes down there to visit family I invariably get "the call", where she's sitting on the San Diego Parking Lot (405 Fwy) and crying out her frustrations over how HHOORRIIBBLLEE the traffic is.

I only go back if I have a really important client who absolutely requires my personal help..... or my wife makes me go! :)


28 posted on 12/14/2006 5:40:19 PM PST by MarineBrat (My wife and I took an AIDS vaccination that the Church offers.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Azzurri

I had a friend with an MA in urban planning from University of Illinois (I think). He said that Detroit was pretty much used as the example for what not to do in most of his classes. To be fair, planning for explosive growth is always difficult.


29 posted on 12/14/2006 6:03:40 PM PST by amchugh
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: Lorianne

Taxpayers movin out......... tax users movin in.


30 posted on 12/14/2006 6:04:00 PM PST by umgud (I love NASCAR as much as the Democrats hate Bush)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: org.whodat

Cary, North Carolina. Containment Area for Relocated Yankees.


31 posted on 12/14/2006 6:05:51 PM PST by Hardastarboard (Hey! What happened to my tagline?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: EDINVA

This is a big problem with people "voting with their feet." And it applies both the migrants between states and immigrants coming into the U.S.

People in California and Mexico know that things suck where they live and that things are better elsewhere. But they have no clue WHY things are that way.

You know why things suck in Mexico? Mexicans. You know why things suck in California? Californians.

Unfortunately people are least likely to see themselves as being the problem. They don't realize the socialist/statist policies they support cause misery and that the free market causes prosperity.

So when they arrive at their new homes they vote for the politicans who promise them the biggest government goodies. They don't realize they are importing the exactly kind of policies the wrecked where they came from.


32 posted on 12/14/2006 6:08:45 PM PST by feralcat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: feralcat

we're getting them in VA, too :(


33 posted on 12/14/2006 6:16:22 PM PST by EDINVA
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: The KG9 Kid
I forgot all about those several mile high dark-brown/red smogbanks hovering perpetually over the Riverside/San Bernardino area.

That's a pretty vile part of the trip when I'm making the drive between Pocatello and San Diego. Burning eyes and coughing from the north end of Temecula to the point where I-15/I-215 rejoin on the way up Cajon Pass.

34 posted on 12/14/2006 6:24:01 PM PST by Myrddin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: Lorianne; Cowgirl; ElkGroveDan; goldstategop; A. Pole; SF Republican; doug from upland; kellynla; ..

I expect that this is not a temporary blip, but the beginning of a trend.


35 posted on 12/14/2006 6:30:43 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (Corporatism is not conservatism)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: snoringbear; 69ConvertibleFirebird
Actually, this native Northern Californian decided last year I need to leave this state (that geographically, I love so much!) because I'm surrounded by "Hey let's be Socialists and disarm ourselves and vote for traiters and disrespect our President and our military and our vets by voting Kerry and hate America because we CAN" commrade types, not for lack of opportunity or the expensive cost of living.

I'd be glad to pay more to live in my lovely home state, but I can't stand A) the fact that all I can legally carry in my 'hood (designated "blood" turf) is my pepperspray and that I'd probably spend time in jail if I shot a convicted rapist/murderer/psychoticMethFiend breaking into my home; B) how our voters seem to nod yes then vote based on the emotional inflection the newscaster/alternative-weekly/lib-blogger liberally presented (or they just stay home); C) how Governor Schwartzenegger acts like a super-buffed RINO; D) stem-cell legislation to the tune of $3 Billion got voted in so yet another bureaucracy is funded basically out of pure spiteful hate of President Bush; and so on.

Not that I don't doubt what you're saying applies to a lot of the Californians who've moved to your states, given that it's not just conservatives fleeing, but still - the blanket statements do not describe how I plan to vote in the state I plan to move to. I would be proud to live in a community of conservative voters with some sense in their heads who pay attention and think long-term (not to mention living near WAFFLE HOUSE and being able to buy the AR-15 of my dreams!)
36 posted on 12/15/2006 12:25:17 AM PST by MonicaG (Thank you and God bless you, excellent TROOPS!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: ninergold3
So, we packed up the family and moved to Nevada. We are in a small town just outside Carson City and we have not once regretted the move.

What does one do for a living where they can simply pack up and move to a small town? This kind of thing tempts me but I'm afraid that I'd go from a very good income as a professional, able to save for retirement, etc., to a job where I barely get by. It's a pretty scary thought for someone mid-career (roughly your age). Of course no amount of money is worth it if where you live makes you miserable.

37 posted on 12/15/2006 7:50:22 AM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: snoringbear
Actually, it "is" dreadful. I much prefer that Californians stay in California. These people never learn. They leave California, the upper east coast, etc, because of high taxes and lack of opportunity. Then, they relocate to states such as Colorado and Texas and the first thing they want to do is re-make these states into the image of the state they just left.

Those are our moderately conservative types. The liberals aren't moving out. ;)

38 posted on 12/15/2006 7:52:39 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: amchugh
To be fair, planning for explosive growth is always difficult.

I'm not sure that it's so difficult. I've sat on many (volunteer) commissions, boards, etc., for State Highway, the County Executive, etc., here in Montgomery County - an ultra-liberal/socialist D.C. suburb. What I've found is that the planning was done very well in the beginning. Reasonable roads, etc., for the development. Then the moron politicians cancel the roads each time a community group shows up yelling NOT IN OUR BACKYARD. Also, the council members are always wanting more campaign money (developers have plenty), so they go and re-zone parcels of land for high-rise buildings (many cars) without making sure that the roads are adequate to get the cars to and from the buildings.

39 posted on 12/15/2006 8:04:18 AM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: Lorianne

people moving out of California outnumbered those moving in
-------
Depends on where you live in California. I love California, retired 5 years ago and moved out of San Francisco to the southern Cal desert. Once out of SF I was a happy camper again and wouldn't think of leaving the state. We have water, beaches, mountains, desert, lots to do and beauty everywhere. Just avoid the marxist areas.


40 posted on 12/15/2006 8:07:10 AM PST by Joan Kerrey
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-58 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson