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Why Isn't the Whole Left Neoconservative?
American Thinker ^ | December 21, 2006 | James Lewis

Posted on 12/21/2006 8:28:01 PM PST by neverdem

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To: Blind Eye Jones

Well stated. While we are in the business of trashing the Left, let me add that embracing some flavor of marxism (multi-culturism, femininism, eco-nonsense) is a way for affluent kids to expiate their fellings of guilt for being affluent witout having to change their lifestyle in any important way. Note that marxists always embrace it in their youth (hardly anyone converts to it in middle age), the most prominent marxists are nearly always scions of wealthy families (example: remember Phil Ochs?), yet NONE of them ever gives away their wealth to the poor, as Jesus taught. They call for the reconstruction of other people, not themselves, for the dismantling of enterprises they are NOT involved in (thus Hollywood is NOT 'big business', no matter how much money is made, and how overpaid the stars are). It boils down to a fanatical religious conviction, re-inforced by peer presure, most of the media, and sometimes even the companies they work for.


21 posted on 12/21/2006 10:22:33 PM PST by ARepublicanForAllReasons (I hereby pledge to endeavor to eliminate most sarcasm from my posts... (NOT!))
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To: Rembrandt
Avaricious?

How about that Green Party city councilman from MN, who was recently sentenced to 2 1/2 years for accepting bribes from real estate developers? Or Ted Kennedy for that matter?

22 posted on 12/21/2006 10:29:30 PM PST by ARepublicanForAllReasons (I hereby pledge to endeavor to eliminate most sarcasm from my posts... (NOT!))
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To: neverdem

btt


23 posted on 12/21/2006 10:48:39 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: cpdiii
I find it easier to see a trichotomy:
  1. Those who want to be taken care of.
  2. Those who want to take care of themselves.
  3. Those who want to rule others.
Groups #1 and #3 are leftists.
24 posted on 12/21/2006 11:02:45 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: neverdem
[ Such mental fixedness is utterly irrational. A psychiatrist would have to ask whether the people who keep peddling the same toxins over and over again are themselves deeply malevolent and destructive: Whether unconsciously they really want to murder their societies. Why else would they keep pushing toward chaos? So I ask again: Why isn't everybody on the Left a neocon? Why isn't Hillary? Chomsky? John Kerry? All those Sixties leftovers who never learned --- why are they so intellectually stuck? Have they no decency? ]

Absolutely not.. Duuugh..

25 posted on 12/21/2006 11:05:26 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole)
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To: cpdiii

And leftists are also delusional or outright deceitful when they call everyone they disagree with a fascist. Fascism / nazism is just another form of socialism ("right"), just like communism is a form of socialism ("left"), difference being that fascism allows some sort of private ownership of property and means of production, however tenuous. Both are totalitarian dictatorship forms of government where elite controls and/or owns most of the capital and industrial production and rely heavily on propaganda apparatus to maintain control over hoi polloi, with middle class [almost] non-existent. They're also the most corrupt forms of overnment as to get any goods or services otherwise not available to masses the few who have control over these goods and services can benefit greatly while at the same time maintaining the illusion of "equality" (egalite - Fr.)

Socialist governments also deny or have no need for God, as either race or party is "uber alles" (above all - Germ.)

Neocons are the ones who figured that out. Probably original neocon was Ronald Reagan when he said "I didn't leave the Democrat party, the party left me".

Of course, for many leftists, "neocon" is just a synonym for "Jew" who is not on left-wing reservation, just like black "Uncle Toms".

If "progressives" will look in the mirror, here's what they will see if only they have enough brains to process it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi
http://nazi.org (for educational purposes only)

http://ray-dox.blogspot.com/2006/08/this-article-is-published-on-internet.html


26 posted on 12/21/2006 11:23:44 PM PST by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: cpdiii

And leftists are also delusional or outright deceitful when they call everyone they disagree with a fascist. Fascism / nazism is just another form of socialism ("right"), just like communism is a form of socialism ("left"), difference being that fascism allows some sort of private ownership of property and means of production, however tenuous. Both are totalitarian dictatorship forms of government where elite controls and/or owns most of the capital and industrial production and rely heavily on propaganda apparatus to maintain control over hoi polloi, with middle class [almost] non-existent. They're also the most corrupt forms of government as to get any goods or services otherwise not available to masses the few who have control over these goods and services can benefit greatly while at the same time maintaining the illusion of "equality" (egalite - Fr.)

Socialist governments also deny or have no need for God, as either race or party is "uber alles" (above all - Germ.)

Neocons are the ones who figured that out. Probably original neocon was Ronald Reagan when he said "I didn't leave the Democrat party, the party left me".

Of course, for many leftists, "neocon" is just a synonym for "Jew" who is not on left-wing reservation, just like black "Uncle Toms".

If "progressives" will look in the mirror, here's what they will see if only they have enough brains to process it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi
http://nazi.org (for educational purposes only)

And if above is not enough:
http://ray-dox.blogspot.com/2006/08/this-article-is-published-on-internet.html


27 posted on 12/21/2006 11:26:35 PM PST by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: cpdiii
The left sees capitalism as its true and central enemy. When given the choice between capitalism, and freedom verses a socialistic dictatorship they find the latter the lesser of two evils.

I think you're onto soemthing here. How else to explain the left's visceral hatred of George Bush and other "right-wing extremists" (translation: mainstream conservatives), versus its relative tolerance for Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Kim Jong-Il, Hugo Chavez, and assorted other despisers of Western values?

28 posted on 12/21/2006 11:42:26 PM PST by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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To: supercat

I agree, but would add to the end of #1 and #3 "by means of government" or "via government".

And I would replace "leftists" with "socialists", as "left" and "right" really means two different form of socialism ("big/totalitarian government"). Also, the "leftists", "liberals", "progressives" et al are always trying to intellectually escape the now tarnished analogy of "left = communist" by accusing those who they previously branded the "right" (i.e. "right not= left") of being fascist.

Calling them socialists to begin with takes the intellectually dishonest "fascist" argument out of the equation (see my previous post).


29 posted on 12/21/2006 11:44:32 PM PST by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: neverdem
This guy Lewis has good points and is an interesting read, but he gives too much credit to lefties. It's not about learning whether the philosophy works or not, that can be fixed by a never ending media lie. (Example: we all know that Bush=Hitler and Saddam never committed an unkind act in his life.) It's about gaining power and never giving it up. Conservatives never irrevocably consolidate that kind of power, only socialists/communists do. Lefties cannot become conservative, because to do so would require them to protect human rights rather than commit wholesale violation of those rights.
30 posted on 12/21/2006 11:47:30 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Zimbabwe, leftist success story.)
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To: Blind Eye Jones
[S]ocialism...has led to some of the greatest killing fields known to man.

That is so very true. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot...the list goes on and on. (One could reasonably add Hitler to the list, since Nazism--diminutive for National Socialism--is really a far left ideology, contrary to its usual portrayal.)

Your analysis is right on target.

31 posted on 12/21/2006 11:52:54 PM PST by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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To: ARepublicanForAllReasons
[T]he most prominent marxists are nearly always scions of wealthy families...They call for the reconstruction of other people, not themselves, for the dismantling of enterprises they are NOT involved in...

Exactly. The term "limousine liberals" leaps to mind--even though it it hard to think of an alliterative counterpart, substituting "Marxists" for "liberals."

32 posted on 12/22/2006 12:10:53 AM PST by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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To: hosepipe

It seems like leftists are those people Einstein gave as examples of what the insane do: keep doing the same thing and expect a different result.

They keep generating their utopias and the utopiasa tune out to Hell-on-earth for 95% of their people. But they keeping thinking they'll get a real utopia antway. They don't learn anything.


33 posted on 12/22/2006 4:28:25 AM PST by RoadTest (Keep our Marines out of Kangaroo court!)
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To: RoadTest

I wish I had spell-checked that.


34 posted on 12/22/2006 4:29:16 AM PST by RoadTest (Keep our Marines out of Kangaroo court!)
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To: supercat


Those who want to be taken care of.
Those who want to take care of themselves.
Those who want to rule others.
Groups #1 and #3 are leftists.



True but you forgot those who want to help others. Those are by definition Capitalists.


35 posted on 12/22/2006 7:00:06 AM PST by Rippin
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To: neverdem; A. Pole
The neocons deserve to be commended from dropping their communist sympathies and coming to terms with some realities. Unfortunately, they still hold to a number of leftist delusions, such as the perfectability of human nature. This leads them to advocate some disasterous policies, such as attempting to democratize cultures intrinsically hostile to democracy.

Thank goodness their ideas have been so thoroughly discredited.

36 posted on 12/24/2006 11:39:29 AM PST by curiosity
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