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The Biggest Story Of Our Time: Self Extinction (Mark Steyn: Its The Demography, Stupid Alert)
Chicago Sun Times ^ | 12/24/2006 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 12/24/2006 4:11:13 AM PST by goldstategop

Suppose for a moment that the birth in Bethlehem that Christians celebrate this week never happened --that it is, as the secularists would have it, mere mumbo jumbo, superstition, a myth. In other words, consider it not as an event but as a narrative. You want to launch a big new global movement from scratch. So what do you use? The birth of a child.

If Christianity is just a myth, then it is, so to speak, an immaculately conceived one. On the one hand, what could be more powerless than a newborn babe? On the other, without a newborn babe, man is ultimately powerless. For, without new life, there can be no civilization, no society, no nothing.

"The world has collapsed," announces a BBC newsman in a new movie. "Only Britain soldiers on." Europe in 1940? No, 2027. Adapted from P.D. James' dystopian novel, Children Of Men is set on a planet in which humanity is barren. That's to say, it can no longer reproduce. And you'd be amazed at how much else collapses with the fertility rate.

You might have a hard time finding ''Children Of Men'' at your local multiplex. It's a more pertinent Christmas movie this holiday season than ''Bad Santa 3'' or ''The Santa Clause 8,'' but Universal seems to have got cold feet and all but killed the picture. In an enthusiastic review in Seattle Weekly, J. Hoberman observed: "Universal may have deemed 'Children' too grim for Christmas, but it is premised on a reverence for life that some might term religious." Granted, he's in the godless precincts of Seattle, that last bit of the sentence -- "some might" -- seems a tad qualified. Obviously, Christianity has a "reverence for life." So too does Judaism: all that begetting the eyes glaze over at in the Old Testament, going right back to God's injunction to be fruitful and multiply.

Christmas is a good time not just for Christians to ponder the central proposition of their faith -- the baby in the manger -- but for post-Christian secularists to ponder the central proposition of theirs: that religion is a lot of goofy voodoo nonsense and that any truly rational person will give it the bum's rush. The problem with this view is that "rationalism" is looking less and less rational with each passing year. Here are three headlines from the last couple of weeks:

• • "Mohammed Overtakes George In List Of Most Popular Names" (Daily Telegraph, London)

• • "Japan's Population 'Set To Plummet' " (BBC News)

• • "Islam Thrives As Russia's Population Falls" (Toronto Star)

By comparison with America, those three societies are very secular. Indeed, Russia spent three-quarters of a century under the most militantly secularist regime of all: Under Communism, the state was itself a religion, but, alas, only an ersatz one, a present-tense chimera. As a result, Russians more or less gave up begetting: Slavs are in steep population decline, and, on present trends, Russia will be majority Muslim by 2050. And the Russian army will be majority Muslim by 2015. In western Europe, societal suicide isn't quite so advanced, but the symbolism is still poignant: "George" isn't just the name of America's reviled cowboy president, but of England's patron saint; the national flag is the Cross of St. George, under which Englishmen sallied forth to smite the Mohammedans in those long-ago Crusades. Now the Mohammedans have managed to smite the Georgians big time, not by conquest but simply by outbreeding. Mohammed is also the most popular boy's name in Brussels, Amsterdam and other Continental cities.

But forget Islam: In Europe, they're inheriting by default. There are no Muslims or any other significant group of immigrants in Japan and yet the Japanese are engaging in a remorseless auto-genocide. Already in net population decline and the most geriatric society on earth, their descent down the death spiral is only going to accelerate. As the BBC reported, "The imbalance is threatening future economic growth and raising fears over whether the government will be able to fund pensions. But Chief Cabinet Secretary Yasuhisa Shiozaki said: 'It's impossible for the pension system to collapse due to the declining birth rate because we will adjust the amount of money put into it.' "

Oh, OK then. But, just as a matter of interest, when you "adjust" the amount of money you put into the pension system, whose pockets are you going to "adjust" it out of? Japanese and European societies are trying to secure the future on upside-down family trees in which four grandparents have one grandchild. No matter how frantically you "adjust," that's unsustainable.

What's the answer? Cloning? Artificial intelligence? Well, here's another story you may have missed in recent days. Sir David King, the British government's chief scientific adviser, has turned in a bunch of reports on issues likely to arise in the next 50 years. Among them is a study on "robot rights." In a nutshell, if robots advance to some form of consciousness, they'd be entitled to welfare. The state would be obliged to provide "robo-healthcare," as the report puts it, plus no doubt robo-pensions and all the rest.

These are four stories you may not even have seen, what with all the really important stuff happening in the world, like Miss USA not being fired by Donald Trump, and Matt Damon dissing Dick Cheney. I'm a big 24/7 demographics bore, as readers of my new doomsday book will know, but even I'm a little taken aback at the way its thesis is confirmed every day by some item from some part of the map. These stories are all one story, the biggest story of our time: the self-extinction of most of the developed world.

The Virgin Mary's pregnancy is not the only one in the Gospels. There's another that prefigures it, in Luke 1:13:

"But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John."

Zacharias is surprised to discover his impending fatherhood -- "for I am an old man and my wife well stricken in years." If you read Luke, the virgin birth seems a logical extension of the earlier miracle -- the pregnancy of Mary's elderly cousin. For Matthew, Jesus' birth is the miracle. Luke, a physician, leaves you with the impression that all birth -- all life -- is to a degree miraculous and God-given, if only because without it there can be no world. The obligation to have children may be a lot of repressive theocratic hooey, but it's less irrational than the secular self-absorption of a barren Russia, Japan and Europe. And, if Christianity is a fairy tale, it's a perfectly constructed one, beginning with the decision to establish Christ's divinity in the miracle of His birth: As the song says, "And man will live forevermore because of Christmas Day."


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Mark Steyn grasp the meaning of the Judeo-Christian message better than anymore else: Man has a duty to be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth with progeny. The post-modern West by contrast, holds there is nothing worth living for and dying for and is the first civilization in history that has elected to arrange its own extinction. Call it autocide. Set against this dismal picture, is the miracle of Christianity which posits that the birth of Jesus is to underscore how human life is the ultimate miracle. And if people miss that they don't truly understand why Christianity celebrates Christmas. Sex in other words, is more than just about the pursuit of world pleasures; its a contract between past and future. Christians understand the connection far better than secularists do and that is why they are thriving. We better hope they do win for waiting in the wings is Islam. The ultimate anti-Christian ideology and one far more potent than Communism because it believes in its own destiny, divinely inspired as the West believes in nothing and has nothing to offer in terms of the future. Demography is a big word and there's plenty at stake in the world today and in the world of tomorrow.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

1 posted on 12/24/2006 4:11:17 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop
On the other, without a newborn babe, man is ultimately powerless. For, without new life, there can be no civilization, no society, no nothing...

Can someone please, explain this simple RULE to the proponents of Gay Marriage?

2 posted on 12/24/2006 4:21:52 AM PST by Van Jenerette (U.S.Army 1967-1991 Infantry OCS, Hall of Fame, Ft. Benning Ga.)
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To: goldstategop
It's about balance. Too many people is just as bad as too few. 6.5 billion is apparently too many.

It's interesting that the "number of man" (666) thing is actually written as six hundred three score and six in the King James, which if parsed out is 600 20 20 20 6, or 6,002,020,206 (6 billion plus ). We passed this number about 6 years ago. A little fun with numerology, which was a popular pastime centuries ago. Especially concerning riddles. Think somebody back then may have been a mathematician?

3 posted on 12/24/2006 4:38:24 AM PST by Gunny Gene
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To: Van Jenerette
You can't have mankind without man. The hedonist Left has succeeded in decoupling sex from procreation and has managed to ensure mankind will have nothing to celebrate. If mankind has no future, all the moaning and whining about global warming is beyond silly; if we're all extinct, whether the planet gets heated or not will be the least of our concerns. I said on another thread on Salim Mansour's review of Mark Steyn's best-seller America Alone, that West needs to make demography a policy priority. Granted, its less trendy than global warming but way more important to the future of the world - and whether that world will continue to characterize itself as civilized.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

4 posted on 12/24/2006 4:39:14 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: SunkenCiv

PING

ESP or what???

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1758009/posts


5 posted on 12/24/2006 4:57:17 AM PST by sodpoodle (if you can't handle the truth, try satire.)
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To: goldstategop

Even demographics become irrelevant when minds are flipped by force or convenient opinions of the collective.

Consider it a force multiplier.


6 posted on 12/24/2006 4:59:33 AM PST by PGalt
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To: PGalt
No worry. Algore will never know if he's right. Nor will a generation that gave up breeding be around to discover the answer. So in a way, the Left's fight against global warming seems to be gradually be resolving itself.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

7 posted on 12/24/2006 5:04:16 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

:)


8 posted on 12/24/2006 5:07:58 AM PST by PGalt
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To: goldstategop

The Creator might give mankind a second bite of that apple?


9 posted on 12/24/2006 5:10:18 AM PST by sodpoodle (if you can't handle the truth, try satire.)
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To: Gunny Gene
6.5 billion is apparently too many.

Bull.

You could take every human being on the planet, give them a half an acre of land, and they wouldn't fill up the American Southwest.

L

10 posted on 12/24/2006 5:11:44 AM PST by Lurker (History's most dangerous force is government and the crime syndicates that grow with it.)
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To: goldstategop; Tijeras_Slim
Savior of Western Culture, or White Trash? YOU DECIDE!
11 posted on 12/24/2006 5:13:14 AM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Lurker

Interesting Demographic data;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_population

Estimates of the number of human beings who have ever lived on Earth constitute an extremely large range, with low estimates around 45 billion, and the highest estimates topping out around 125 billion. Many of the more robust estimates fall into the range of 90 to 110 billion humans.


12 posted on 12/24/2006 5:16:52 AM PST by sodpoodle (if you can't handle the truth, try satire.)
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To: goldstategop
The post-modern West by contrast, holds there is nothing worth living for and dying for and is the first civilization in history that has elected to arrange its own extinction. Call it autocide.

Kind'a like cop-assisted suicide on a grand scale... only replace the cop with a bloodthirsty, fanatical fazool. There are many similarities to Rome's fall... and I'm sure, many more that we just have no knowledge of... but it's the closest scenario I can come up with.

In the past, 230 years, we've had strong, courageous men appear in desperate times to pull our chestnuts from the fire. Could it be with our stylish, new criteria of politically-correct selection... we have made it impossible for these men to ever again play their role in the American story?

13 posted on 12/24/2006 5:17:10 AM PST by johnny7 ("We took a hell of a beating." -'Vinegar Joe' Stilwell)
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To: Van Jenerette

Amateurs study tactics. Professionals study logistics. And victors study demographics.


14 posted on 12/24/2006 5:38:14 AM PST by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: goldstategop

"I said on another thread on Salim Mansour's review of Mark Steyn's best-seller America Alone, that West needs to make demography a policy priority. Granted, its less trendy than global warming but way more important to the future of the world - and whether that world will continue to characterize itself as civilized."

Folks are beginning to listen. Every major idea that has eventually come to grip our attention started off with a few lonely souls crying in the wilderness.

We shouldn't confuse fads with actual trends.


15 posted on 12/24/2006 5:43:18 AM PST by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: goldstategop
What an appalling lack of "enlightened" Liberal thinking on the part of Mr Steyn! It is the duty of every truly enlightened person to adhere to ones own personal ethic of comfort, convenience and debauchery. So what if we face extinction because of our fantasist beliefs? At least we'll go extinct being what we are - Cowardly, self-indulgent sybarites with a fatuous faith in our own superiority. Merry Christmas all.
16 posted on 12/24/2006 5:44:18 AM PST by Carbonado
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To: RKBA Democrat
Amateurs study tactics. Professionals study logistics. And victors study demographics.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

And I study women, and they love it!

Get with the plan, go forth and multiply!

17 posted on 12/24/2006 5:44:24 AM PST by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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To: johnny7

"Could it be with our stylish, new criteria of politically-correct selection... we have made it impossible for these men to ever again play their role in the American story?"

You have a point. Speaking the truth is simply not considered to be politically savvy in our current culture. You know, the truth might actually (GASP!) offend someone.

Another reason why it's unlikely that you'll ever have to worry about seeing me in political office.


18 posted on 12/24/2006 5:50:08 AM PST by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: Lurker

With all due respect, you misunderstood what I was saying. By "too many" is meant that the fact that the growth rate slowing and actually reversing in most of the world is de-facto evidence that the current global population is at or nearing it's maximum sustainable level unless something happens to "raise the bar" so to speak. Accessible resources ( such as water, energy, food production), standard of living, technology, and a myriad of other factors all enter into the equation.


19 posted on 12/24/2006 5:55:26 AM PST by Gunny Gene
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To: goldstategop
Among them is a study on "robot rights." In a nutshell, if robots advance to some form of consciousness, they'd be entitled to welfare. The state would be obliged to provide "robo-healthcare," as the report puts it, plus no doubt robo-pensions and all the rest.

That will happen only after they get voting rights.

I can see it now: Moveon.bot

Maybe your robot will be deemed a 3/5 person, like the 3/5 Compromise our founding fathers put into our Constitution

20 posted on 12/24/2006 5:59:45 AM PST by Popman ("What I was doing wasn't living, it was dying. I really think God had better plans for me.")
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To: Carbonado

"So what if we face extinction because of our fantasist beliefs? At least we'll go extinct being what we are - Cowardly, self-indulgent sybarites with a fatuous faith in our own superiority. Merry Christmas all."

Interesting comment. Particularly the somewhat ironic Merry Christmas.

I don't think it's going to be an issue of outright extinction but more of a long term polarization. There are some very dedicated Christians who at more of an emotional and religious level have already gotten the message loud and clear. They're already having children like mad and home educating them to boot. And they're teaching their children the importance of doing the same thing. Just because you don't read about it in the lamestream media doesn't mean that these folks aren't out there.

The rest of our society who isn't interested in reproducing will not be relevant in another 50 years. They've already self-selected themselves out of the gene pool.


21 posted on 12/24/2006 6:02:13 AM PST by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: Candor7

"Get with the plan, go forth and multiply!"

I don't really need encouragement in that respect. :-)


22 posted on 12/24/2006 6:03:36 AM PST by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: RKBA Democrat
""I said on another thread on Salim Mansour's review of Mark Steyn's best-seller America Alone, that West needs to make demography a policy priority."

- Making demographic change a state priority may be more difficult than it first appears. The Province of Quebec has long been concerned that it's french speaking population has been declining in relative numbers, being surrounded by a North America awash in anglos.
About 15 to 20 years ago they introduced a government program to reward Quebec parents with a cash bonus of more than $1,000. for every child born in the Province. The incentive seems to have had no effect. Quebec's birthrate is still amongst the lowest in Canada - which is low enough as it is.
Obviously, offering cash alone won't reverse a declining birthrate. Since a government doesn't have much more than money at it's disposal to promote or discourage behavior, any factors that could reverse declining birthrates will have to come from other societal influences - such as spirituality. A very tough task indeed.
23 posted on 12/24/2006 6:10:22 AM PST by finnigan2
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To: goldstategop

I pray for my 7 children.

Our only hope is that the muslim kids will all get fat and lazy living in the west, like most westerners do, and abandon their false religion as too burdensome.


24 posted on 12/24/2006 6:17:19 AM PST by Notwithstanding (Post-9/11 Volunteer Active Duty OEF Vet Lawyer (who is too dumb to understand Kerry's apology))
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To: goldstategop

It should have been:

"One of our BEST hopes..."


25 posted on 12/24/2006 6:18:37 AM PST by Notwithstanding (Post-9/11 Volunteer Active Duty OEF Vet Lawyer (who is too dumb to understand Kerry's apology))
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To: Gunny Gene
With all due respect, you misunderstood what I was saying. By "too many" is meant that the fact that the growth rate slowing and actually reversing in most of the world is de-facto evidence that the current global population is at or nearing it's maximum sustainable level

It is not de facto evidence of any such thing. The Muslim birth rate is exploding. Gaza has a birth rate into the fours or fives. Spain has a birth rate of 1.3. Are you saying that this is de facto evidence that Spain has hit its resource ceiling whereas Gaza has not? Ridiculous. You are ignoring the importance of ideology. The Shakers did not believe in sex -- even the procreative kind. That's why you don't find a lot of Shakers around. Not because North America ran out of resources for the Shakers.

Western Man has recently come to prize non-procreative sex: abortion, contraception, homosexuality, late marriage, etc. Whatever you may personally think of these activities does not alter the fact that they put one at a demographic disadvantage to a philoprogenic philosophy.

26 posted on 12/24/2006 6:25:59 AM PST by caspera
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To: Running On Empty

Marking


27 posted on 12/24/2006 6:27:55 AM PST by Running On Empty
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To: finnigan2

"About 15 to 20 years ago they introduced a government program to reward Quebec parents with a cash bonus of more than $1,000. for every child born in the Province. The incentive seems to have had no effect. Quebec's birthrate is still amongst the lowest in Canada - which is low enough as it is."

A $1,000 cash bonus is chump change compared to the costs of raising a child. And even if they were to multiply that bonus by a factor of 10, I doubt it would have the intended effect.

In this day of birth control and infanticide, the people who have children are those who want them for reasons that have little to do with economics. That may come from some immature sense of just wanting a baby, as we see with unwed pregnant teenagers, or it may come from a desire rooted in spirituality as we see amongst Christians.

The best thing that the state can do to increase birthrates is not to penalize those who are inclined to have them. And this is one area where I depart the conservative reservation, as I think our current tax structure is incredibly punitive towards those who do have children. And the "solutions" promoted by many conservatives would simply exacerbate that.


28 posted on 12/24/2006 6:32:00 AM PST by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: goldstategop; NCSteve
And the Russian army will be majority Muslim by 2015.

Nurp. Interesting scenarios vis-a-vis Russia's border with China suggestion themselves ...

The problem with Mark Steyn's columns on this subject, though, is that they're not funny.

29 posted on 12/24/2006 6:40:00 AM PST by Tax-chick ("Everything is either willed or permitted by God, and nothing can hurt me." Bl. Charles de Foucauld)
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To: caspera
I believe I said global . I'm well aware that individual countries, cultures, etc. will vary quite a lot.

See the graphs here, in particular the growth rate graphic. http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/world.html

30 posted on 12/24/2006 6:41:07 AM PST by Gunny Gene
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To: Van Jenerette
The "simple rule" for gays is not to reproduce, but to recruit.

Gay marriage is a means, not an end.

31 posted on 12/24/2006 6:44:31 AM PST by Popman ("What I was doing wasn't living, it was dying. I really think God had better plans for me.")
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To: Gunny Gene

Five of the six billion inhabitants of the earth seem willing to live in harmony. Then there's the billion Muslims.


32 posted on 12/24/2006 6:47:21 AM PST by BW2221
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To: goldstategop

Interesting. It's okay to attack the changing demographics regarding Islam but not when the hispanic culture begins to take over. (I don't mean you)


33 posted on 12/24/2006 6:49:02 AM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: Tax-chick
Russia would be the penultimate Islamic power with The Bomb - after Pakistan and Iran.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

34 posted on 12/24/2006 6:50:01 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: BW2221

Are they? ( the 5 billion ). Perhaps, for the time being.


35 posted on 12/24/2006 6:58:07 AM PST by Gunny Gene
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To: goldstategop

bttt


36 posted on 12/24/2006 6:59:50 AM PST by aculeus
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To: raybbr
I am no fan of illegal immigration and am a frequent critic of Bush on immigration and border security. In fact, I consider him a disgrace in these areas.

But, stop and think how much worse the problem would be if 12 - 20 million illegal aliens were Muslim. Can you think of anything worse for the U.S. than 12 - 20 million additional Muslims?

For all their faults (and they are many), at least the Mexican illegals are not bent on converting us to Islam and imposing Islamic law on us in the future. While I'm not big on either one, Cinquo de Mayo sounds like a lot more fun than Ramadan.
37 posted on 12/24/2006 7:02:00 AM PST by BW2221
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To: caspera

Western Man has recently come to prize non-procreative sex: abortion, contraception, homosexuality, late marriage, etc. Whatever you may personally think of these activities does not alter the fact that they put one at a demographic disadvantage to a philoprogenic philosophy.
________________________________________________________

An obvious result of Intelligent Design.


38 posted on 12/24/2006 7:02:36 AM PST by sodpoodle (if you can't handle the truth, try satire.)
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To: Gunny Gene
... the growth rate slowing and actually reversing in most of the world is de-facto evidence that the current global population is at or nearing it's maximum sustainable level...

A curious thesis given the demographics of third world countries, regions and continents - SA, Africa - where populations continue to increase as a function of poverty.

Only in the most economically independent cultures is population on the decline. The exception, of course, is China, where infanticide is government policy. 200 million young men without brides will soon bring that jaded experiment to a screeching halt; unless, of course, India cares to export its unwanted female population to the testosterone hordes of Mongols in the north.

39 posted on 12/24/2006 7:06:45 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (Here come I, gravitas in tow.)
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To: Gunny Gene; Lurker
It's interesting that the "number of man" (666) thing is actually written as six hundred three score and six in the King James, which if parsed out is 600 20 20 20 6, or 6,002,020,206 (6 billion plus ). We passed this number about 6 years ago. A little fun with numerology, which was a popular pastime centuries ago. Especially concerning riddles. Think somebody back then may have been a mathematician?

Yes. The Apostle John, for one.

Revelation 13:18 (KJV) actually states:

The Apostle John was referring to a specific Man, "the Number a A Man", not "the Number of Man". The following is from Dr. Noam D. Elkies, Professor of Mathematics at Harvard University:

The Apostle John specifically said, in Revelation 1:1, that he was warning the Faithful of his day and time about a great Tribulation which must "SHORTLY" take place, not some imaginary "Left Behind" Apocalyptic balderdash 2,000 years hence.

And, indeed, the Bible is yet again proven to be the very Word of God in the near-term fulfillment of John's very Prophecies, in that very generation:

Most of Revelation concerns Prophecy which, in the Author's own words, must SHORTLY take place, in that day and age -- and were, indeed, 100% fulfilled, in that day and age.

The Book was certainly NEVER intended by Apostle Saint John as a justification for hyper-apocalyptic chicken-Christians living 2,000 years later to invent Malthusian faux-overpopulation excuses to let the Moslems inherit the Earth.


Good to see you 'round, L.

Best Regards, and Merry Christmas. OP

40 posted on 12/24/2006 7:10:26 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: goldstategop
See Buchanan's book for a heads-up written some years ago. The Death of the West
41 posted on 12/24/2006 7:14:38 AM PST by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: BW2221
I don't mean people like you and me. We get it. But, elites in this country don't. Nor do liberals. And, even some republicans.

Many Americans are called racists for even suggesting that hispanics assimilate and become Americans. There now appears to be double standards for everyone.

"Illegals are okay as long as they read the Bible." is the justification for this invasion of foreigners. It's tiring and frustrating. If they were true Christians they wouldn't steal from their neighbor and covet his home and land.

Using religion to justify any illegal behavior is wrong. In both cases.

42 posted on 12/24/2006 7:14:57 AM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: Amos the Prophet

The exception, of course, is China, where infanticide is government policy. 200 million young men without brides will soon bring that jaded experiment to a screeching halt;
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Those 200 million young men will be marching to the USA to claim all those female children adopted by the Hollywood elites.

War has always been about the testosterone (stupid)!


43 posted on 12/24/2006 7:15:33 AM PST by sodpoodle (if you can't handle the truth, try satire.)
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To: BW2221

You might also, occasionally think about the fact that illegal immigration would not even be on the radar screen if Algore and John Kerry had been elected.


44 posted on 12/24/2006 7:20:57 AM PST by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: caspera; Gunny Gene
Yes, it turns out that contraception, sterilization and abortion can destroy families, nations and civilizations. Who'da thunkit?

Related news flash: it also turns out that children flourish best in a family that has (a) a mother and (b) a father who are (c) married to each other.

Here's just one indicator: in 1965, when Daniel Patrick Moynihan published "The Negro Family: The Case for National Action," his research found that the major cause of Black poverty, welfare dependency, low academic achievement, high crime, etc. was out-of-wedlock childbirth, resulting in father-absent families. He said the Negro family was "in an unprecedented crisis" of "social pathology" largely because 25% of births were out of wedlock. (This was compared with 3% white illegitimacy.)

Today 25% of White births are out of wedlock--- compared to 15% of Asian-American births, 45% of Hispanic births, and almost 70% of black births.

If it was an "unprecedented crisis" of "social pathology" 40 years ago, what is it now?

Twenty-somethings and thirty-something, quit messin' around. Get married. And then --- hey! You know what to do.
45 posted on 12/24/2006 7:23:27 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (I'm keepin' the MASS in Christmas. ;o))
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
The Book was certainly NEVER intended by Apostle Saint John as a justification for hyper-apocalyptic chicken-Christians living 2,000 years later to invent Malthusian faux-overpopulation excuses to let the Moslems inherit the Earth.

I'm mildly familiar with a number of competing views, etc. regarding Revelation ( and other books of the Bible, and those of competing religions for that matter, including the Gnostic texts ). Which is why I included the "fun with numerology" statement. I apologize if my attempt at humor was ill-conceived. :) Thanks for the detail, and Merry Christmas :) .

46 posted on 12/24/2006 7:25:24 AM PST by Gunny Gene
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To: ClaireSolt

Actually, under the Clinton administration, the Department of Justice deported more illegals and had far more prosecutions of companies employing illegals than the Bush administration. I hardly believe immigration enforcement is a top priority for an AG named Alberto Gonzales.

On the issue of immigration and border security, Bush's philosophy is virtually no different than Gore's or Kerry's. Bush and Tony Snow have both said that the incoming Congress will make it much easier to pass a comprehensive immigration package.

Explain to a Reagan Democrat why it makes sense to be fighting in Iraq when we have done virtually nothing since 9-11 to secure our borders.

This is an area in which Bush has been a total failure.


47 posted on 12/24/2006 7:29:04 AM PST by BW2221
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To: Gunny Gene

The discussion of Revelations and other religious prophecies is micro demographics....macro demographics includes religious movements, but is not limited to them.

I believe there are many other components that will map out human destiny....all of which are probably predictible, but inevitable.

As a species, we are subject to intelligent design and its Creator.


48 posted on 12/24/2006 7:31:13 AM PST by sodpoodle (if you can't handle the truth, try satire.)
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To: Gunny Gene
Okey doke.

Merry Christmas to you and yours, as well.

best, OP

49 posted on 12/24/2006 7:33:48 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: goldstategop

Children of Men is not playing here in the Northeast. Interesting since Rotten tomatoes gave it a 92% positive review.

I never sit through a theatre show, perhaps twice a year.

Three got to sees this season
Nativity
Pursuit of Happyness
and Children of Men.

So nice to see conservative films making it to screen.


50 posted on 12/24/2006 7:35:19 AM PST by Chickensoup (If you don't go to the holy war, the holy war will come to you.)
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