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Rapist preys on men in suburban Houston
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| 12/26/06
| JOHN PORRETTO
Posted on 12/26/2006 12:56:01 PM PST by presidio9
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To: Jaysun; sheana; BunnySlippers
Jaysun, you're correct insofar as non-consensual sex is what makes it rape as a
matter of law in defining the criminal act.
However, there is a clear distinction between how the law defines rape and the motivation of the rapist in committing the act. You are arguing the former aspect of rape and others are arguing the latter; both are valid.
I think what others are pointing out is the rapist seeks above all to dominate and humiliate the victim, and uses sex as a means to increase the humiliation of the victim far in excess of what simple assault inflicts. But sex is not the primary motivator for rapists, otherwise they would simply engage in a consensual arrangement involving rape fantasy.
To: SampleMan
This is taking place in TEXAS. A lot of people carry in Texas. It won't be long at all before the perp attacks the wrong guy and has his head blown off.
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posted on
12/26/2006 2:35:33 PM PST
by
Fairview
To: Unmarked Package
However, there is a clear distinction between how the law defines rape and the motivation of the rapist in committing the act. You are arguing the former aspect of rape and others are arguing the latter; both are valid.
No. To call the motivation of the rapist anything else but sexual is absurd. Why else would sex even come in to play?
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posted on
12/26/2006 2:36:16 PM PST
by
Jaysun
(I've never paid for sex in my life. And that's really pissed off a lot of prostitutes.)
To: Jaysun
You've taken a few hits here but I actually agree with you.
By repeating the well-worn, "rape isn't about sex" I think we overlook some key things.
1) "date rape" which can involve anything from a man going just a bit too far or "not stopping" when already engaged in intercourse. Often, these suspects don't fit the typical profile and don't engage in any violence or other act of humiliation of the victim. In many cases these days, women are plied with drink or slipped drugs in order to lower or eliminate their resistance.
That is CLEARLY as case of rape being about sex. IN that instance, the rape is the method by which sex is obtained but it isn't the goal. There are probably some 'date rapists' who have only done it once or think that because the girl is extremely drunk and they're drunk that it's OK.
Technically speaking, since we consider a certain age of minor to always be a rape victim (even if the offender doesn't know the age,) you could say that's about sex and not domination also.
It also depends on the MO of the rapist. In many cases, it probably is a perversion though certainly there are criminals out there who do it more as a delivery method for humiliation and degradation but rape IS inextricably linked with sex, particularly penetration. That's why grabbing parts is a different crime than penetration.
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posted on
12/26/2006 2:36:22 PM PST
by
Skywalk
(Transdimensional Jihad!)
To: Jaysun
"Bizarre. Queers are notoriously promiscuous. He could find willing perverts without a problem. Why rape?" Indeed. It reeks of --> HOAX <-- because it doesn't fit existing profiles (e.g. the rapist doesn't kill his male victims, attacks them in their homes where they have the highest chance of being armed in Texas, etc.).
...and there appears to be no DNA...certainly no DNA matches (even rape with a condom being worn leaves DNA, by the way)... which if this turns out to be real would mean that the perp has no prior convictions...
...which is again outside the profile of someone so aggressive as to be doing daylight home invasion rapes of men.
So I'd rate "HOAX" as the number 1 possibility, but if true rather than a hoax, a foreign perp would almost be required to fit the "no DNA match" profile. Since Baytown is on the Houston Ship Channel, I'd suspect a foreign commerce sailor.
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posted on
12/26/2006 2:36:43 PM PST
by
Southack
(Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
To: Jaysun
He's got aids and wants to pass it on.
He's really angry about the way he got it and now
is p'od and wants to take it out on everyone.
Just my opinion.
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posted on
12/26/2006 2:38:38 PM PST
by
squibs
To: presidio9
>>>"no one had been seriously hurt">>>>
Yeah! Easy for this reporter to say!
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posted on
12/26/2006 2:41:49 PM PST
by
Ditter
To: Skywalk
Thank you Skywalk, but you make the same mistake as the others. The question is this: what makes it rape? I say sexual intercourse. Others argue that this is just a legal definition. Okay, then WTF is their definition of rape?
It involves sex or it isn't rape. That isn't just a legal matter, but one of common sense. The same as homosexuality, it involves sex or it isn't homosexuality. What is so "warm and fuzzy" about that?
We've been inundated with liberal PC talk and some buy into it - I do not.
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posted on
12/26/2006 2:43:07 PM PST
by
Jaysun
(I've never paid for sex in my life. And that's really pissed off a lot of prostitutes.)
To: Jaysun
Why rape? Ask a woman and she will tell you that "Rape is not about sex, it is about power." This particular twist gets off on having and exercising power over another man. I disagree about the "serial killer" being substantially different from a serial rapist. I would think that this guy will become more dangerous as the thrill fades and would at some point start killing to keep his buzz going.
Lets hope he hits on someone with a CCW soon and his string runs out.
Regards,
GtG
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posted on
12/26/2006 2:48:37 PM PST
by
Gandalf_The_Gray
(I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
To: Gandalf_The_Gray
I disagree about the "serial killer" being substantially different from a serial rapist.You are correct, The pathology for both is very similar.
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posted on
12/26/2006 2:49:50 PM PST
by
Wormwood
(I'm with you in Rockland)
To: presidio9
"But it's only going to take one victim who resists enough or in the wrong way until the gun is going to go off, the knife is going to be used, and we're going to have a victim with serious injuries or who's dead," Clifford said. Translation: "Pesky victims who refuse to submit are the real cause of violent crime."
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posted on
12/26/2006 2:50:55 PM PST
by
E. Pluribus Unum
(Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
To: Jaysun
You are saying it's about sex. It's not. It's about domination and humiliation. Complete control. Profaning the most intimate/sacred thing about a person. Total destruction.
Homosexuality is about sex. Deviant sex.
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posted on
12/26/2006 2:54:22 PM PST
by
Jaded
("I have a mustard- seed; and I am not afraid to use it."- Joseph Ratzinger)
To: Jaysun
It's fun swimming against the PC conventional wisdom, eh Jaysun? The fact is, you're right and the others are too. Rape is about the use of sex to achieve an aggressive aim which is the sexual subjugation of the victim. Sexualized aggression is the full term for acts like rape. The feminists distort it out of their own neurotic needs, and the PC brigade sucks it up without thinking it through. At the same time the feminazis will say that any sex no matter how 'consensual' is still really rape--you can't argue with that kind of stupid.
But it would also be inaccurate to say rape is purely sexual in motivation, because many rapists find themselves impotent in the commission of the act--which may infuriate them so much that these are the ones who kill their victims.
To: Jaded
You are saying it's about sex. It's not. It's about domination and humiliation. Complete control. Profaning the most intimate/sacred thing about a person. Total destruction.
Says who, what?
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posted on
12/26/2006 3:34:18 PM PST
by
Jaysun
(I've never paid for sex in my life. And that's really pissed off a lot of prostitutes.)
To: hinckley buzzard
Good enough. You're a good man, Charlie Brown.
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posted on
12/26/2006 3:35:48 PM PST
by
Jaysun
(I've never paid for sex in my life. And that's really pissed off a lot of prostitutes.)
To: hinckley buzzard
"The fact is, you're right and the others are too. Rape is about the use of sex to achieve an aggressive aim which is the sexual subjugation of the victim."
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Wrongo, hinckley buzzard, rape is mostly driven by a deviated biological need for sex. Sometimes "violence" is a component and sometimes it ain't. To say that rape is not about sex is bunk; and a pernicious insult to the meanings of the words of our language.
To: the final gentleman
Wrongo, hinckley buzzard, rape is mostly driven by a deviated biological need for sex. Sometimes "violence" is a component and sometimes it ain't. To say that rape is not about sex is bunk; and a pernicious insult to the meanings of the words of our language.
Oh you fool, you damned old fool. Everyone (except for me, and perhaps you) understands what rape means. Sex has nothing to do with it. That's merely a legal term, you see. Rape is all about the shittyness of males. Don't forget that, or suffer the wrath of the more informed.
No, really, thanks. You're a champ. But to be called out for common sense doesn't make you great - it makes everyone else less so.
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posted on
12/26/2006 4:11:17 PM PST
by
Jaysun
(I've never paid for sex in my life. And that's really pissed off a lot of prostitutes.)
To: BunnySlippers
"If you've some idea or evidence otherwise please let me know."
"Just about everyone on this thread knows what rape is ... except you. Just because you have homegrown theories that make you feel warm and fuzzy doesn't make them true."
Thank you for responding to this freeper, I dare not for what I have to say would get me banned. Two of my relatives were victims of rape, one had not even hit puberty, the other was quite elderly. There is no way I can see either of those rapes being about sex, if someone can see either of those examples (let alone ANY rape) as being about sex, I believe that individual is on the road to perversion along with all rapists.
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posted on
12/26/2006 4:22:50 PM PST
by
MadLibDisease
(Want a nanny state? You are no conservative.)
To: presidio9
Victims have described the Baytown attacker as a clean-shaven black man, 18 to 21 years old, 5-foot-10 to 6 feet tall and about 200 pounds, with a shaved head. Police have released a sketch...Another article includes the sketch:
So does he have a "shaved head" or not?
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posted on
12/26/2006 7:35:08 PM PST
by
jiggyboy
(Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
To: presidio9; Dog Gone; Eaker
No one has been seriously hurt. He must have a wee willy or johnson jr.
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posted on
12/26/2006 9:28:01 PM PST
by
razorback-bert
(Posted by Time's Man of the Year)
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