Skip to comments.Why We Left the Episcopal Church
Posted on 01/08/2007 7:06:05 AM PST by shrinkermd
When even President Gerald Ford's funeral at Washington National Cathedral is not exempt from comment about the crisis in the Episcopal Church, we believe it is time to set the record straight as to why our church and so many others around the country have severed ties with the Episcopal Church.
...The core issue in why we left is not women's leadership. It is not "Episcopalians against equality," as the headline on a recent Post op-ed by Harold Meyerson put it. It is not a "leftward" drift in the church. It is not even primarily ethical -- though the ordination of a practicing homosexual as bishop was the flash point that showed how far the repudiation of Christian orthodoxy had gone.
The core issue for us is theological: the intellectual integrity of faith in the modern world. It is thus a matter of faithfulness to the lordship of Jesus, whom we worship and follow. The American Episcopal Church no longer believes the historic, orthodox Christian faith common to all believers. Some leaders expressly deny the central articles of the faith -- saying that traditional theism is "dead," the incarnation is "nonsense," the resurrection of Jesus is a fiction, the understanding of the cross is "a barbarous idea," the Bible is "pure propaganda" and so on. Others simply say the creed as poetry or with their fingers crossed.
It would be easy to parody the "Alice in Wonderland" surrealism of Episcopal leaders openly denying what their faith once believed, celebrating what Christians have gone to the stake to resist -- and still staying on as leaders. But this is a serious matter.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...
Just FYI for people who hadn't previously considered Anglican Churches -- they are a good alternative to the Episcopal Church and are typically quite conservative.
A repudiation of God and God's word is certainly consistent with gay bishops, woman priests and leftist politics.
Honestly, I'm surprised the WaPo published it.
The title convinced the editor.
Excellent post shrinkermd, thanks so much.
It ounds like the Episcopalians are sibmitting their church to the religion of secular humansism which dominates our government, schools and society topday.
The federal government is violating the first amendment by establishing the religion of secular humanism.
It is a creed. It is doctrinal. It has a hierarchy. It has clerics. It has money. It has dedicated adherents.
It is entirely faith-based.
We must invoke the anti-establishment clause and force the Feds to stop promoting the creed of secular humanism.
Woah! a shot right between the eyes! thanks for posting it shrink.
Not nearly as conservative as they once were. If I were you,and considering a move to the Anglican (in which I was originally baptised), I would take a good, close look at the doctrine and the expression thereof. The Anglican church in Canada supports homosexual members, as does the Lutheran, although I don't think it goes so far as to allow gay ministers, or homosexually-married minister, but I could be wrong. This is not a case of 'love the sinner, hate the sin.' I DO know that the Lutheran, in Canada, preaches total tolerance of homosexuality and considers the abhorence of sodomy in the Bible to be 'old fashioned' and no longer relevant... 'pick and choose' Christianity.
I'm a former Episcopalian and have considered trying to find a conservative Anglican church or maybe a conservative Lutheran one. Where are the resources on the net? I haven't been able to find one here in Oregon (maybe because the state is too liberal?)
lol!. . .probably 'multi-tasking' while reading the rest of it.
First let me say - I am not a Christian - I am a Jew.
But, next let me say, that events like this grieve me. I don't like to see Christians who repudiate, deny, or water down their faith. I don't like to see churches in trouble, like the Catholic Church with the recent scandals.
Our civilization - our Judeo/Christian civilization - needs Christians to be strong in their faith, strong in their belief and united in their defense of that faith. We need one another.
Together, Christians and Jews, albeit with many stumbles along the way - have created a worthy civilization, a means for people to govern themselves through representative republics (often mistakenly called democracies), through self-imposed justice rather than the king's justice, and with peaceful transition of power every few years.
These are fantastic accomplishments. And, it is all being tested and threatened by an alien religious ethic that believes in none of the above. Islam preaches precisely the opposite.
Just at a time when our faith and resolve are being tested by the "other" - our own house is not strong, even crumbling. The churches of Europe are empty, the mosques are full.
To defend our house, we need strong faith.
The Roman Catholic church still believes. We may have our share of non-believers who are hanging on and the infamous cafeteria catholics, but the majority from the Pope on down do believe in the creed.
Try the Orthodox Church. We haven't changed in 2000 years :)
Here is a list of "safe" Anglican churches in the US
Yes, Basheva a good post. Thank you.
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Any church that makes females pastors should be abandoned because said church has abandoned the bible.
Basheva, your rational thinking impresses me. As a Christian, I am with you!
In other words, the Episcopal Church has chosen to become its own arbitor and source of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. They will find the apple bitter. This from a once-Episcopal, later Lutheran, now 12-year Catholic parishoner who finally feels like I have come home.
Especially appreciated their distinction between the sola scriptura ("by the scriptures alone") doctrine of the Reformation church vs. sola cultura (by the culture alone) way of the modern church.
This Roman Catholic and many others that I know, stand with you and our Jewish brothers and sisters! I agree with you that together, we have created a worthy and I must add, free civilization. We are all being tested and are living in trying times. The Jewish people are included in my daily prayers. We must stand together!
It seems to me that one by one "christian" churches are swayed by the rising tide of secularism, and the result is the death of pure christian values. It also seems to me that the pattern eastablished in the bible to maintain christain doctrine against paganism (or in our case, secularism) was to establish prophets and apostles with revelation to teach what it was that God wanted to tell his people- where are they now that we need them the most? Why are the heavens shut?
But the material collapse will eventually follow the moral debacle. The congregations of these places will continue to dwindle until they are forced to sell the buildings. The buildings will become "community centers" as they have in Europe and the people who have run them into the ground will live off the capital until they die.
As a cradle Episcopalian and now Catholic convert, I came to see that the Episcopal church did not have the "antibodies" to fight off the modernism that has engulfed it. Although the Catholic Church has been disrupted by modernism, it has the "antibodies" to fight it off and eventually prosper.
"Denominations with official and long-standing PRO-CHOICE positions include the Presbyterian Church (USA), the Episcopal Church, the United Methodist Church, the United Church of Christ, the Unitarian Universalist Association of Congregations, and Reform and Conservative Judaism.
These organizations have a diversity of views about ABORTION and recognize it as a morally complex decision that must be made by the person most affected--the woman."
(*IMO acceptance of ABORTION in so many denominations is the worst thing of all. I left the Presbyterian Church USA because of it.)
The new pastor at my mother's UCC refers to Jesus as "her."
Well, folks - blush, blush.....thanks for appreciating my comments.
Which brings me to more comments. I assume that most of you have heard of the Cross that sits on Mt. Soledad in La Jolla - San Diego, California.
A decades long battle by an athiest (recently deceased) has been waged to remove that Cross from public property. Though the athiest has died, the battle rages on.
We mounted a huge campaign to get this on the ballot and it was overwhelmingly approved by the people of this city to keep the Cross where it is. Still a judge overturned the results of the vote. Duncan Hunter (presidential candidate) and Brian Bilbray and other Republican represntatives from this area persuaded Pres. Bush to take this land as a National Monument to keep the Cross where it is - as a war memorial - which it also is.
But the other forces have not given up and the battle STILL continues - probably all the way to the Supreme Court.
What I really want to say is that you should know the huge effort in this fight to keep the Cross - was run by a Jew. No, not me - but another Jew - I had lunch with him. I, as a Jew, voted to keep this Cross on the mountain.
I am not sure where the law is about the Cross on public property - I assume the Supreme Court will someday rule on that - but I do know that if we tear down that Cross, we will next tear down the Star of David, and then the Churches and Synagoges and we'll all go down the tubes together.
But, that's not the end of it. When all our religious symbols are gone it will leave a vacuum. Nature hates a vacuum. And there is Islam waiting to fill it - as it has already done in Europe.
And when those symbols and our Houses of Worship are gone, so too will our other American institutions: self-government.
That Cross on Mt. Soledad is the symbol of the health of my beloved country. Our beloved country.
A very well worded and thought out post, Basheva.
Your last line brought tears to my eyes. It seems...how rare it is to hear that.
I'm just a glutton for a flame, but I'll say it anyway. Look at the destruction homosexuals and their weak-minded enablers do.
As a seeker raised in the Episcopalian and Presbyterian churches of yore, decades ago I found the most zealous adherents to Christ in the Evangelical Presbyterian church and especially Dr D. James Kennedy who seemed to be up to speed on what to advise Christians to do about secular humanist issues. Other Bible believing denominations seem to forget that it is not just for Sunday!!
Take a look at the web page in my tagline. Click on "N.A. Provinces" and you'll see a list of Continuing Anglican provinces, with links to parish listings. There are a few churches in Oregon, mostly in the Portland/Vancouver area. I know the REC has a couple there.
There is a big difference between the Anglican-named churches in the U.S. (where the original church is called "Episcopal"), which are quite conservative, and Anglican-named churches elsewhere.
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I think Peach may have been referring to The Continuing Anglican Churches which are still traditional and conservative. They retain Anglican liturgy and traditional belief but are not in the Anglican Communion, ie the Archbishop of Canterbury. They separated back in the 70's over the ordination of women and problems they saw in the new prayerbook.
Thank God for John Yates and TFC!
Although the Catholic Church has been disrupted by modernism, it has the "antibodies" to fight it off and eventually prosper.
I consider myself an antibody, and eventually became convinced that the ECUSA was terminal. The RCC has a tough fight on her hands, but I think my efforts have the best chance of bearing fruit there. I'm in an Anglican Use Parish, by the way.
Oh, and I'm not at all proud of what the EC has come to. I blame myself. Now I'm just trying to do what I can to repair the damage.
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It is clear they don't know the Jesus revealed in scripture.
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