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Saying 'no' to the surge [Progressives pre-surge reaction to the surge]
Capital Times ^ | 1-10-07

Posted on 01/10/2007 3:58:48 PM PST by SJackson

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., are trying to figure out how to respond to the expected presidential proposal tonight to surge the United States deeper into the quagmire that is Iraq.

But there is no equivocation from the man who, by virtue of his long service in the Senate and his mastery of that chamber's politics and procedures, is respected by savvy Democrats and Republicans as the essential member of the new Congress.

Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., has introduced legislation to "prohibit the use of funds for an escalation of United States forces in Iraq above the numbers existing as of Jan. 9, 2007."

Editorial: Saying 'no' to the surge
Sen. Edward Kennedy gestures as he answers a question at the National Press Club on Tuesday.

Kennedy voted against authorizing President Bush to invade Iraq and he has been a consistent critic of the war. But this targeted piece of legislation specifically addresses the "surge" being proposed by the president.

"It seems to me that we are at a time of a major escalation into a civil war, that's what the proposal of a surge is really about," Kennedy told the New York Times. "This president is going to escalate the American presence and escalate the whole Iraqi war. This is a major mistake and a major blunder."

Even more important, Kennedy's bill reasserts the role of Congress in a time of war. The Constitution allows the president to serve as commander in chief and affords him reasonable war-making powers. But it reserves for Congress the power of the purse, and the founders were clear in their belief that the House and Senate should use that power to constrain a president who is waging war without reason or sound strategies.

The Congress has frequently used the power of the purse to control presidential war-making. Kennedy points to examples from the Vietnam era, but there are also examples from just the past quarter century of Congress embracing troop caps in Lebanon, in NATO countries and in Colombia.

Indeed, as the Center for American Progress notes in a detailed new report, "Congressional Limitations and Requirements for Military Deployments and Funding," Congress has a rich record of stepping in to prevent presidents from expanding U.S. involvement in foreign conflicts.

Kennedy recognizes that record, and he embraces its central theme: The constitutionally mandated system of checks and balances requires Congress to be in the thick of decision-making on wars and their escalation.

Kennedy's specific message is summed up in the title of the speech the senator gave Tuesday at the National Press Club: "Escalation Is Not the Answer: Time for Congress to Insist on Real Change in Iraq."

As he told the New York Times, "If there's one thing that the election was about last fall (it) was sending a very clear message to Congress and to the president that the American people want accountability. They want a change in direction on Iraq, they want accountability, and they want people to stand up and be counted."

Will other members of the Senate stand up and be counted? And will members of the House do the same?

Pelosi is clearly toying with strategies to challenge the proposed escalation of the war. She has said that Congress must be part of the discussion about the president's "surge" proposal, while Reid has remained far too vague on this front.

Ultimately, it is Kennedy who has offered a clear challenge to the administration. And he should be joined by his fellow senators, especially war critics such as Wisconsin Democrat Russ Feingold.

"I think it's to try to hold policymakers accountable," Kennedy explained in his discussion with the New York Times regarding the Democrats' role in Congress and his legislation. "The president is the commander in chief. This is George Bush's war. But we have some responsibility in holding him accountable and holding accountable the people that want to continue the war in the way that it is being undertaken at the present time. The American people have expressed a different view and we need accountability."



TOPICS: Editorial; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: enemywithin
I don't know where the term "surge" came from, but I hope it wasn't the administration.

Tonight, I hope to hear clearly defined objective, and if increased troop levels are needed to accomplish them, estimates as to what is required.

Surge implies a fleeting effort, which will simply drive our enemies underground till the surge is over. They need to be underground with their virgins, or wherever they go with their virgins.

1 posted on 01/10/2007 3:58:50 PM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson
But there is no equivocation from the man who, by virtue of his long service in the Senate and his mastery of that chamber's politics and procedures, is respected by savvy Democrats and Republicans as the essential member of the new Congress.

You mean Drunken Ted, the Manslaughterer?

2 posted on 01/10/2007 4:00:51 PM PST by My2Cents ("Friends stab you from the front." -- Oscar Wilde)
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To: SJackson

Yeah. And 20k (the expected number) is nothing.


3 posted on 01/10/2007 4:03:24 PM PST by OldGuard1
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To: SJackson
The key difference is that there are demands on the Iraqi government. They must deliver or else.

Pelosi and the rest, want it to fail or they will suffer politically.

4 posted on 01/10/2007 4:06:25 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182
The key difference is that there are demands on the Iraqi government. They must deliver or else. Pelosi and the rest, want it to fail or they will suffer politically.

There are, and it will be an Iraqi failure, though a costly one for us. And plenty of Americans want them to fail.

5 posted on 01/10/2007 4:07:53 PM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: SJackson

I stopped reading after the first sentence. The bias was so strong, it was starting to drip onto the floor!!!


6 posted on 01/10/2007 4:12:42 PM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: SJackson

Looks like it's a post-surge reaction now.


7 posted on 01/10/2007 4:16:51 PM PST by ShandaLear (Perfect People Need Support, too.)
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To: SJackson

Time to hold Teddy accountable for the murder of Mary Jo.

Other than that, he can STFU.


8 posted on 01/10/2007 4:22:04 PM PST by Argus
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To: SJackson
The Congress has frequently used the power of the purse to control presidential war-making.

Maybe so, but it can't happen right away. The new troops will be in place by the time a new chunk of money is needed. By then, the democrats will be in a bind. They say they "support" our combat troops. I don't think that they can easily cut them off.

9 posted on 01/10/2007 4:28:45 PM PST by ExtremeUnction
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To: My2Cents; Argus
One of my alltime favorite quotes, which I occasionally use as a tagline.

If she had lived, Mary Jo Kopechne would be 62 years old. Through his tireless work as a legislator, Edward Kennedy would have brought comfort to her in her old age.
Charles Pierce, Boston Globe

Of course she didn't live to enjoy her old age, but so what.

10 posted on 01/10/2007 4:30:55 PM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: SJackson

11 posted on 01/10/2007 4:31:35 PM PST by etradervic (Merry Christmas)
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To: ExtremeUnction
Maybe so, but it can't happen right away.

Thus far the Democratic House seems more interested in resetting the clocks so the 100 hours takes 2 months, Mondays off for football and no smoking in the cloak room. I suspect a funding cut is far beyond anything Pelosi is able to tackle.

12 posted on 01/10/2007 4:32:51 PM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: SJackson
The biggest problem for our war aims in Iraq is that after the election, the enemy knows all they have to do is hold on and they will win. In the form of those who took the trouble to show up, a plurality of US electorate surrendered and the Democrats are playing it for all it is worth.
13 posted on 01/10/2007 4:46:11 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: SJackson

14 posted on 01/10/2007 4:55:55 PM PST by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
The biggest problem for our war aims in Iraq is that after the election, the enemy knows all they have to do is hold on and they will win.

The enemy know if they hold on they'll be fighting Iraqi forces, ultimately wheter they win depends on Iraq, but you're right, timetables, and a "surge" implies a timetable since "surges" end, are counterproductive. But if we said we'd stay till the job was done, say a decade, no one would believe us. After all, we wouldn't stay a decade in Korea would we?

15 posted on 01/10/2007 4:57:39 PM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: SJackson

One thing is that O'Reilly is really hammering the media for out and out sabotage of the Iraq effort. Maybe I am wrong, but I never have seen MSM more brazen in their bias, or hostile than in the lead up to the election. It is worse than Vietnam era bias and it shows no sign of lessening.


16 posted on 01/10/2007 5:07:56 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: SJackson

In my party's finest tradition,
I have this to say,
"Nyet, nyet, nyet."

17 posted on 01/10/2007 8:25:42 PM PST by syriacus (IF Truman cut + ran after 3,000 deaths, THEN South Korea would not be free)
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To: SJackson
Surge implies a fleeting effort,

When you think "surge," think, "tsunami."

18 posted on 01/10/2007 8:31:40 PM PST by syriacus (IF Truman cut + ran after 3,000 deaths, THEN South Korea would not be free)
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"Scotch rocks."

Ted Kennedy is just an overweight drunk who has never held a job, or had to.

19 posted on 01/11/2007 8:42:06 AM PST by SunkenCiv ()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()
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