Navy orders stand down of entire submarine force

wavy.com ^ | 01/15/2006 | N/A

[rwa265]

Navy orders stand down of entire submarine force

In a news release, the commander of the U.S. Submarine Force announced today that it will conduct an Operational Stand Down in the wake of recent submarine incidents.

In a message to the submarine force, Vice Adm. Chuck Munns, U.S. Submarine Force commander, directed the immediate "stand down" to focus energy and intellect back onto the basics of submarine operations.

The stand down comes after two incidents involving Norfolk-based submarines.

[LonePalm]

Much depends on exactly how an "Operational Stand down" is conducted. If this is a safety and/or operational procedures stand down than I wouldn't make much of it.

Due to their notoriously poor maintenance, one of the Warnings and Indicators for the Soviets was a maintenance stand down which they would have to do prior to a general attack. For US forces this would generally not be necessary and time would be better spen resting personnel. Combat operations are very tiring.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)
LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

[ApplegateRanch]

a story about Vince Lombardi when he was coaching

What does a story about a band leader coaching piano players how to dive on a date have to do with anything? ;)

[Bottom_Gun]

It was nuts ten years ago. I imagine it's a lot worse these days.

It is killing them, my Friends in Groton on-board there, say the OP tempo is sapping everyone. Unfortunately it's making a lot of guys make the decision to get out, even if they get to shore duty.
I guess I was nuts in my day, I did back to back sea tours from a BN to a Fast boat and only went to shore duty because the detailer told me I had to. But then this was back in the 80's when we had "fun" *L*.

[rwa265]

Who's the jerk? The Navy for issuing the news release, WAVY-TV for broadcasting the information, or me for passing public information on to fellow freepers who are interested in submarines?

[rwa265]

Because I goofed up. Sorry.

[Doohickey]

Welcome to Free Republic. Now apologize for being a jackass. This is not classified information. In fact, it's mostly PR.

[SmithL]

Just like on the boats, it's real easy to tell who is qualified, and who isn't.
; )

[Tenniel]

But (and a lot of people are surprised to learn it) he did coach at an obscure school in upstate New York nicknamed "Hell on the Hudson."

[justshutupandtakeit]

How do the subs stay at sea almost all the time it there is no off crew?

[UpAllNight]

--Want I'm REALLY afraid of is that a "stand down" means thousands and thousands of EXTRA man-hours (or tens of thousands of extra man-days!!!!) of extra training and inspection - instead of a couple of hours of REST and THINKING of an overextended force with too few subs to do too many jobs that is actually what is needed.--

The article says that normal operations will continue until the investigation is complete.

[tomcorn]

How do you propose to do that?...When your entire submarine fleet stands down it becomes patently obvious. The stand down will not include three Missleboats on station.

The stand down will alleviate safety slack appearing in the fleet. Naval aviation has had such stand downs before when aviation accident rates increase due to maintenance or safety failures.

[Robert A Cook PE]

Riiiiiiiight.

[UpAllNight]

--I'd spent eight of my 13 years on sea duty, which was merely "above average" compared to others I know.--

I would say above average amount of SHORE duty!

[tomcorn]

Subs have blue and gold crews. Don;t know what the cycle rate but is think a typical cycle is 90 day patrol 30 days refit and resupply then the gold crew takes a 90 day patrol then 30 days refit and supply.

[tomcorn]

Dont believe Lombardi coached at Notre Dame. He coached at Fordham,West Point, and Green Bay.

[SauronOfMordor]

How do the subs stay at sea almost all the time it there is no off crew?

There are two crews (Blue and Gold). They swap when the sub comes into port

[Doohickey]

Heh. If submarine detailers didn't force us to do an instructor tour in Groton, nobody would go. I'm sure I won't be the only one on this thread that wanted another boat rather than rotate to NAVSUBSCOL.

[TheKidster]

Got it, thanks

[balch3]

thanks Clinton.

[Doohickey]

That's only true of hotels boomers. Real submarines have only one crew.