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Jill Stanek: When Obama chose his church over his state
WorldNetDaily ^ | 1/17/07 | Jill Stanek

Posted on 01/17/2007 2:10:07 PM PST by wagglebee

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To: wagglebee
"Obama killed the bill altogether by burying it alive in a committee he chaired."

How apropos.

21 posted on 01/17/2007 2:29:35 PM PST by StAnDeliver
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To: Peach
FNC just reported that Barack Hussein Obama is a smoker!!!!

I have this funny feeling that being a smoker will give Obama more problems then the fact he did coke.

And smoking is the legal one of the two.

22 posted on 01/17/2007 2:31:56 PM PST by Domandred
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To: wagglebee
Not only is he a smoker, but he used cocaine.

That's scary. We just went thru 8 years of another president who did illegal drugs.

23 posted on 01/17/2007 2:33:11 PM PST by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: wagglebee
"Not only is he a smoker, but he used cocaine."

Yep. And thus endeth the lesson. And he's the only one that doesn't know that yet.

24 posted on 01/17/2007 2:37:15 PM PST by StAnDeliver
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To: JCEccles

There used to be a conservative website called Illinois Leader, and I believe it was Jill Stanek who wrote an article there a year or so ago about the situation at Christ Hospital. Her description of the death of one little boy -- born alive after an attempted abortion-- just tears your heart out.

The Obama connection aside -- this only goes to show that the UCC and the ELCA --because of what their administrators allow at Advocate facilities --are up to their necks in the abortion racket and, to the extent that they do not provide medical attention to some children who survive abortions -- they are up to their necks in infanticide.


25 posted on 01/17/2007 2:42:49 PM PST by Southside_Chicago_Republican (Illinois -- Land of Obama)
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To: wagglebee
"Because there are photos out there of Chelsea smoking. Smoking is one of those things that the left frowns on publicly but will do privately."

It's akin to the 'soft' racism of the left -- as opposed to their 'hard' racism through abortion and eugenics.

There's nothing quite so enlightening like waiting in line to pick up dry cleaning in Manhattan and watching the two homosexuals in front of you slander the (perfectionist, humble, and reasonably-priced) Asian launderer by making fun of him -- their index fingers extending eyes into a ridiculously dated stereotype -- when he dashes to the back to get their 'prom' dresses.

26 posted on 01/17/2007 2:45:16 PM PST by StAnDeliver
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To: Peach

I was listening to WLSAM this afternoon and they were having fits about Obama smoking.

Then a bunch of callers called and said they think Obama is the AntiChrist.

Freaks.


27 posted on 01/17/2007 3:47:08 PM PST by JRochelle
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To: wagglebee
Wow, with a church like that you don't need to worry about repentance.
28 posted on 01/17/2007 5:04:30 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: JRochelle

That's what will actually help Obama - for radical conservatives to start talking like that! Ridiculous and I'm glad you recognize it.


29 posted on 01/17/2007 7:04:21 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Kuksool
But these don't matter at all to Rick Warren. The Purpose Driven Pastor praised Obama's personal character on CNN. He said Obama would make a great President.

I'm seriously considering doing something to my copy of "Purpose Driven Life".

Like burning it.

30 posted on 01/17/2007 7:57:38 PM PST by KStorm (They're waiting for a show of weakness. And I'm not talkin' about terrorists.)
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To: wagglebee
Pinged from Terri Dailies

8mm


31 posted on 01/18/2007 3:11:49 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican

I just cringe. Please remember there are some of us Lutherans that are not part of the ELCA and still hold to sound biblical teaching.


32 posted on 01/18/2007 5:24:50 AM PST by Mom MD (The scorn of fools is music to the ears of the wise)
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To: wagglebee

And let's not forget that Rick Warren is in bed with this guy.


33 posted on 01/18/2007 5:33:58 AM PST by Gamecock (Ecclesia reformata, semper reformanda secundum verbum Dei)
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To: JCEccles
One Advocate property is Christ Hospital, where in 1999 I discovered babies were being aborted alive In Christ Hospital?

That is so profoundly wrong and disturbing, I struggle to even read it let alone contemplate it.

Sickening isn't it? I grew up about one mile down the road from Christ Hospital which was called Christ Community Hospital, back in the day, in Oak Lawn, IL.

34 posted on 01/18/2007 5:55:49 AM PST by One_American
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To: wagglebee
Obama has been a member of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago since 1988

I once went to a UCC service.

* My wife and I were the only ones with Bibles;

* The female preacher read a selection of scripture, omitting portions of verses, and thereby formulating a message that was clearly contrary to what the passage actually taught;

* Another female "minister" representing the national UCC headquarters, spoke about how it was important for members to give more money so the national organization would be better equipped to LOBBY for their POLITICAL agenda;

* After all this, the male preacher commenced the service, opening with a prayer to their "father/mother god";

In the words of that famous maritime philosopher, Popeye, "Thats' alls I can stand; I can't stands no more!" We walked out.

The UCC is not a Christian organization.

Far from it! It is a social/political/religious group that allows wacko leftists to feel like they are spiritual without being challenged to conform to God's will.

It allows them to present their leftist views, seemingly from within the confines of "religious America". Sort of like operating behind enemy lines.

It allows them to collect vast sums of money, skirting the tax system, and using it to promote their far left political agenda cloaked as religion.

I concede they are religious - everyone is - but they do not worship the God of the Bible.

35 posted on 01/18/2007 7:29:39 AM PST by pjr12345
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To: pjr12345

My sense from the few UCC members who I have known is that it is very similar to a "new age" group and bears little resemblance to the services that Catholics or traditional Protestants are accustomed to.

Now, I personally have no problem with a bunch of people who want to get together and discuss spiritual issues, JUST DON'T CALL IT A CHURCH. As far as these wingnut prayers go, the only prayer our Lord gave us start, "Our FATHER" if He had wanted to make God a "gender neutral" term, He would have done so.

Unfortunately, I think this "just feel good about yourself, God loves you and you don't need to change" nonsense is beginning to destroy Christianity. The secularists have already succeeded in making much of society non-religious, now they have set their sights on organized religion. The Episcopalians have seen their denomination destroyed, Lutherans, Methodists and Presbyterians are getting close, Catholics are doing okay in some geographic areas and not as well in others, the Southern Baptists are doing fine but many of the other Baptist denominations are in real trouble.


36 posted on 01/18/2007 7:45:44 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Beckwith

What does it mean to disavow pursuit of "middleclassness"? It sounds as though they want the Blacks to stay on welfare. Or do they mean that the Blacks should surpass the Middleclass?


37 posted on 01/18/2007 7:52:16 AM PST by Eva
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To: wagglebee
Good morning.
"...it is very similar to a "new age" group..."

I think there is less "new age" there and more sneaky old style communism.

Michael Frazier
38 posted on 01/18/2007 8:12:14 AM PST by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: brazzaville
I think there is less "new age" there and more sneaky old style communism.

I don't think there is a whole lot of difference between the two.

39 posted on 01/18/2007 8:21:09 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

I don't even mind if they call their group a church. I just wish they'd be honest and remove the Christian association.

As far as the destruction of Christianity goes, as a nondenominational Christian, I think the reason for the current decline lies in the inevitable destructiveness that comes with institutionalizing around man-made doctrines and organizational constructs. I don't expect that many on this forum will agree with that, and that's fine. However, I think that we can all agree that many denominational churches are experiencing deterioration and the World is oozing in.

The good news is that, while religious institutions may tumble, the Church of Christ (sans "United") exists forever. Christ's Church is spiritual, and consists of all those He has added to it, from the beginning of time, by way of their faith in the promise and hope available only through God's only begotten Son, Jesus. Since the Church is not earthly by any means, it cannot be destroyed by those rebellious souls living here.

Remember also that New Testament Christianity had no viable presence from about 800 A.D through 1300 A.D. When the seeds of the renaissance were sown through the reformation movement it began to reemerge. And even then, it wasn't until the 1800s that New Testament Christianity really began recommencing.

Uh oh... now I've done it... let me don my helmet, secure my flak jacket, and brace myself for the onslaught!


40 posted on 01/18/2007 8:27:17 AM PST by pjr12345
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