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Collateral Damage In The Immigration War
GOPUSA ^ | January 19, 2007 | Linda Chavez

Posted on 01/19/2007 2:31:09 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Imagine you've just given a year and a half of your life to serving your country in Iraq and come home to find that your pregnant wife and your toddler daughter have been forced to leave the United States and now the government won't let them back in.

You sit at home waiting, but no one can give you answers when or if they will be allowed to return. You wait five months, long enough for your new baby to be born in a foreign country. But still, no one can give you answers.

That is what Aaron Thorsted of Salt Lake City, Utah, goes through every day. His story aired on KSL-TV there this week.

Why is the government preventing Johana Thorsted and their children from returning to the U.S.? Is she on some terror watch list? Does she have ties to radical organizations? Has she committed some heinous act that makes her a danger to our country?

No. Like thousands of others who have grown up here and know no other life but ours, Johana's parents forced her to come to the U.S. from Guatemala illegally when she was a child. Aaron Thorsted knew her status when he asked her to marry him. He told KSL that Johana worried that he would reject her when he found out. But love doesn't require a "green card," and so Aaron promised her they would fix her problem. When Aaron was sent to Iraq, however, the process slowed down, since immigration officials are wary of Americans who want to sponsor spouses who aren't actually living under the same roof.

Johana returned to Guatemala in what should have been the final step in adjusting her status. The couple expected she would have approval by the time Aaron came home from his tour in Iraq. But they are still waiting. And in December, their second child was born. This complicates matters because the child is not automatically an American citizen and now, too, must get permission to come to the U.S.

The Thorsteds' disrupted lives are the consequence of Congress' failure to resolve the dilemma of what to do with 12.5 million illegal aliens living here. But their personal drama is not the only consequence. Another story illustrates a different problem, one that has the potential to affect all of us.

In a front-page article, The Wall Street Journal reported this week on what happened after immigration officials raided a Georgia chicken processing plant last fall, hauling off 120 workers, with hundreds of other illegal aliens voluntarily leaving the area. The plant did what many anti-immigration groups say is the solution to becoming dependent on immigrant and illegal alien labor: It raised wages by more than a dollar an hour.

But the company still couldn't attract enough employees, so it also sent buses to pick up American workers from nearby towns and set up dormitories for those who wanted to stay on site. The company nonetheless could only hire a fraction of the workers it needed, and new workers were far from ideal.

The company says that the workforce has turned over three times since the raid. Worse, production has plummeted. The immigrant workers produced an average of 80 pallets of poultry a day per six-person assembly line; the new workers produced only 45 pallets with 15 persons on the line.

The company is still short-handed by 300 people, so it is recruiting Laotian Hmong immigrants from Minnesota and Wisconsin and busing in felons on parole. In any case, with more expensive, less productive workers, the company will have to pass on its costs to consumers -- or go out of business.

Magnify this problem by the thousands and you can see the impact on the U.S. economy.

Immigration restrictionists may think it is fine and dandy to keep Aaron Thorsted's wife and children out of the country because Johana's parents broke the law. And they say they're willing to pay more for food so long as it deprives illegal aliens of jobs. But are they willing to pay companies' actual costs, which in the Georgia case more than quadrupled? And would they rather these jobs simply disappear altogether, striking devastating blows to many local economies?

I doubt most Americans think this is a good bargain. But Congress has yet to wake up to the realities.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; atzlan; business; cheaplabor; citizenship; deportations; economy; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; immigration; industry; invasion; lindachavez; raids
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So Linda is saying either you hire good workers who don't care about the country (illegals) or you hire Americans who simply don't care, period (reprobates)? Would that actually happen everywhere?
1 posted on 01/19/2007 2:31:11 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: 3D-JOY; abner; Abundy; AGreatPer; alisasny; ALlRightAllTheTime; AlwaysFree; AnnaSASsyFR; ...

PING!


2 posted on 01/19/2007 2:31:50 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (“Don’t overestimate the decency of the human race.” —H. L. Mencken)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Lets find a sympathetic exception to make a rule with!?!?


3 posted on 01/19/2007 2:32:59 PM PST by Paloma_55 (I may be a hateful bigot, but I still love you)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Magnify this problem by the thousands and you can see the impact on the U.S. economy.

Guess I'll just pay more for chicken.

4 posted on 01/19/2007 2:33:06 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter - I still like ya, but please read the 10th and get back to me regarding Congr pardons)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This is called propaganda.


5 posted on 01/19/2007 2:34:25 PM PST by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
The plant did what many anti-immigration groups say is the solution to becoming dependent on immigrant and illegal alien labor: It raised wages by more than a dollar an hour.

How about a couple of bucks an hour? Law of supply and demand.

6 posted on 01/19/2007 2:36:09 PM PST by glorgau
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

KSL sucks! The guy knew what the situation was before he even stepped into the military. Now he gets to suffer, I may be a hateful conservative, but I'm an objective hateful conservative. Get the illegals out. No more baby rats on my dime.

SS


7 posted on 01/19/2007 2:38:12 PM PST by Sword_Svalbardt (Sword Svalbardt)
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To: Sword_Svalbardt

Linda is always chewing at the edge of the issue.


8 posted on 01/19/2007 2:39:48 PM PST by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

What ever happened to upholding the law ?? That would have solved the problem of illegals a long time ago -- thank you Washington, DC.


9 posted on 01/19/2007 2:42:49 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Was this written by this Linda Chavez?

From: http://www.sptimes.com/News/011001/Worldandnation/Illegal_hiring_goes_o.shtml

Linda Chavez withdrew as President-elect George W. Bush's nominee for secretary of labor on Tuesday. She was under fire for providing housing and cash to an illegal immigrant who did chores in Chavez's home, although she denies she was paying for housework.

According to reports, Marta Mercado, an illegal immigrant from Guatemala, lived with Chavez from 1991 to 1993. Chavez also referred the immigrant to a neighbor who gave her a regular babysitting job.

It appears that Linda is afraid of losing more of the cheap labor to clean her home.

10 posted on 01/19/2007 2:44:32 PM PST by RJL
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"....you've just given a year and a half of your life to serving your country in Iraq and come home to find that your pregnant wife..."

faux pas, Linda?


11 posted on 01/19/2007 2:44:45 PM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Sword_Svalbardt
The Thorsteds' disrupted lives are the consequence of Congress' failure to resolve the dilemma of what to do with 12.5 million illegal aliens living here.

No, it representa a failure of Mr. Thorsted to legalize his wife after marrying her. While I sympathize with his plight, I also had a daughter born in Japan and had to kill a day going to the Embassy in Tokyo to show her birth certificate, my wife's marriage certificate and pay the fees for her birth certificate and passport. In retrospect, it was a rather cheap price for U.S. citizenship.

It also represents a failure of the bureaucracy (and enabling legislation from congress) to distinguish between genuinely needy cases like the Thorsteds and your run-of-the-mill line jumper who has no loyalty to this country (as demonstrated by Mr. Thorsted's military service) and no ties to any American citizen except to use them as an ATM.

12 posted on 01/19/2007 2:46:37 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: glorgau
How about a couple of bucks an hour? Law of supply and demand.

Yea, notice how she conveniently leaves out the amount they had been paying.

It's also not surprising that since they had been employing an illegal work force willing to work for very little, that there wasn't a large pool of legal workers sitting around, waiting to get a job.

A large plant paying low wages for unskilled labor isn't going to attract a lot of new workers to the area.

I don't know that there's an easy solution, but continuing to reward hiring illegal workers isn't the right solution.

13 posted on 01/19/2007 2:49:28 PM PST by untrained skeptic
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

*cough*


14 posted on 01/19/2007 2:49:53 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("Godlike to the godless, Barack Obama" - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: dirtboy
No More Illegals...
15 posted on 01/19/2007 2:50:51 PM PST by x1stcav (I always thought he was a Murthaf*cker.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Linda Chavez is an idiot, who harbored an illegal alien herself.


16 posted on 01/19/2007 2:51:59 PM PST by Thorin ("I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

What's so hard about getting married BEFORE you have the baby?

Linda has no answer.


17 posted on 01/19/2007 2:53:40 PM PST by Kitten Festival
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To: untrained skeptic

well, we could cut the easy entitlements programs that allow American citizens and aliens "legally" and "illegally" present in America to live off the taxpayers......it would shake up the economy for awhile, but it would in short order restore the work ethic in America.


18 posted on 01/19/2007 2:55:11 PM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Kitten Festival

***Contorted Prezel Logic Alert***


19 posted on 01/19/2007 2:56:45 PM PST by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Johana's parents forced her to come to the U.S. from Guatemala illegally when she was a child. She can correct that with great ease by moving back to Guatemala.
20 posted on 01/19/2007 2:56:55 PM PST by Kitten Festival
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

Yeah, it must have been an unusually long pregnancy.


21 posted on 01/19/2007 2:59:26 PM PST by Kitten Festival
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Yet another Illegal Alien Sob Story (IASS)


22 posted on 01/19/2007 3:02:51 PM PST by Regulator
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The immigrant workers produced an average of 80 pallets of poultry a day per six-person assembly line; the new workers produced only 45 pallets with 15 persons on the line.



New workers never produce as much as seasoned workers. Let me know how they are doing in six months.


23 posted on 01/19/2007 3:03:20 PM PST by freedomfiter2 ("Modern, bureaucratic, unionized education is a form of intellectual child abuse." Newt Gingrich)
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To: Sword_Svalbardt
KSL sucks! The guy knew what the situation was before he even stepped into the military. Now he gets to suffer, I may be a hateful conservative, but I'm an objective hateful conservative. Get the illegals out. No more baby rats on my dime.

This man goes to Iraq and is ready to take a bullet for you and me. The government should be asking him only one question. When would it be convenient for your wife and child to take the oath of citizenship. Thank for your service to our great nation SS

24 posted on 01/19/2007 3:04:57 PM PST by cpdiii (Oil Field Trash and proud of it, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist, Iconoclast)
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To: Kitten Festival
moving back to Guatemala

Oh Horrors No, a fate worse than death

Oddly, all they ever do is talk about how wonderful those countries are, how great the culture, how superior the people

But when you say, "gosh! guess you might want to live there, huh?" the smile comes off their faces really fast.

25 posted on 01/19/2007 3:05:12 PM PST by Regulator
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

If they don't quit scraping the bottom of that sympathy barrel they'll dig a hole to China.


26 posted on 01/19/2007 3:10:06 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

Aaron Thorsted knew her status when he asked her to marry him.


27 posted on 01/19/2007 3:10:26 PM PST by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody want a peanut.....)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Let's just let them all in, all the sad stories. Then we can have the same lives they have. That makes sense to me.


28 posted on 01/19/2007 3:12:42 PM PST by FastCoyote
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Life sucks.... then ya die.

Get over it.


29 posted on 01/19/2007 3:14:45 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: cpdiii
"This man goes to Iraq and is ready to take a bullet for you and me. The government should be asking him only one question."

So at no time when they were dating or anytime else did this guy get in touch with an immigration attorney and at least make an EFFORT to have her do up a bit of paperwork to emigrate here?

At least he could have made it LOOK like there was some half-assed effort to do things legally!
30 posted on 01/19/2007 3:17:02 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: samadams2000
Linda is always "chewing" at the edge of the issue.

Should that not be

GNAWING!


31 posted on 01/19/2007 3:27:05 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: cpdiii

Politics is about setting double standards - are you? I'm not. He knew the deal before this whole journey started.


32 posted on 01/19/2007 3:30:02 PM PST by Sword_Svalbardt (Sword Svalbardt)
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To: Vigilanteman

Then, in your admittance, know the deal. Take the steps to CYA.


33 posted on 01/19/2007 3:31:41 PM PST by Sword_Svalbardt (Sword Svalbardt)
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To: samadams2000

Never on target.


34 posted on 01/19/2007 3:32:39 PM PST by Sword_Svalbardt (Sword Svalbardt)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

probably their illegal gardener.


35 posted on 01/19/2007 3:50:06 PM PST by Rakkasan1 ((Illegal immigrants are just undocumented friends you haven't met yet!))
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To: taxed2death

He may go to Iraq to take a bullet, but that woman sure wouldn't. She hasn't done a blessit thing for us, including making an effort to get legal. Make her stay in Guatemala and get in line like the rest of them.


36 posted on 01/19/2007 3:50:42 PM PST by Kitten Festival
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To: EagleUSA

First of all this has to be a total propaganda LIE for a story! What a CROCK!!

Why? Because any kid born in the USA to an illegal is considered (unfortunately) a citizen.


37 posted on 01/19/2007 3:51:56 PM PST by stopem (God Bless the U.S.A the Troops who protect her, and their Commander In Chief !)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Leeendah, doesn't understand the term ILLEGAL! As for her data, I say a resounding "BRAVO SIERRA"!!!
38 posted on 01/19/2007 3:53:44 PM PST by Msgt USMC (Lead, follow, or get the heck outta the way!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Marriage should have fixed the individual problem, perhaps with the proviso that the couple are still together a year later. Married and pregnant should have fixed it. The rest of it is well, tough toenails. Send them back.


39 posted on 01/19/2007 3:55:12 PM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
Nope in the U.S. a "faux pas" would be a very audable fart at the dinning table! In France it is accepable as long as you wave the miniture white flag located to the left of your service plate.

Linda is out right lying to advance her cause.

Poor guy. Gone for a year and a half and comes home to find his wife has another baby? No dates are given so the reader can make their own assumptions ... well you know ... mamacita got bored during his deployment.
40 posted on 01/19/2007 4:02:10 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Red_Devil 232

I tried to find his DEROS date, but couldn't....I stumbled across this, which shows he was in Iraq during Jul '05....(Gpa's obit, scroll to Thorston)

http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ut/weber/obits/se/2005/jul/se28jul2005.txt


41 posted on 01/19/2007 4:13:21 PM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

OHHH SPARE ME!!!!!


42 posted on 01/19/2007 4:14:50 PM PST by shekkian
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Hey Linda, how about you are an American citizen, go to Iraq, come home on leave and on Thanksgiving get killed by an illegal drunk driver.
I have much more sympathy for him.


43 posted on 01/19/2007 4:15:35 PM PST by sheana
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Cry me a river. Linda uses the code words "anti-immigration" to describe anyone that is sick and tired of the millions that just ignore our borders and come here illegally.

It's worse than tactics used by the left and she should be ashamed of herself.


44 posted on 01/19/2007 4:16:25 PM PST by Fledermaus (We don't have the fortitude to stand up for ourselves any longer. American Idol is on again!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Dear Linda,

I know that sending illegals back to where they came from will affect how clean your home is, how clean and ironed your laundry is and how often your lawn gets mowed.

I'll just say, TOO F***ING BAD!

Your sob story just doesn't do it for me. Simply a case that will be fixed, and certianly not the norm.

JROCHELLE
45 posted on 01/19/2007 4:16:47 PM PST by JRochelle
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
...Congress' failure to resolve the dilemma of what to do with 12.5 million illegal aliens living here.

Wait a minute...the MSM has been telling us it is only 6-8 million./s Congress has done nothing about the illegal immigration problem in the US.

46 posted on 01/19/2007 4:21:42 PM PST by Conservative4Ever
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

bump


47 posted on 01/19/2007 4:39:43 PM PST by VOA
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

Wow good work! I read the Obit. Hard to believe he was in country (Iraq) without a home leave for a year and a half. I just played the scenario out as "MS Linda" presented to us. Rules are rules.


48 posted on 01/19/2007 4:53:26 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: cpdiii

Agreed. He's a citizen in good standing and ought to be able to marry whoever he choses anywhere in the world and bring them to America based on his good name and service.

Gummint is out of line on this one.


49 posted on 01/19/2007 4:58:34 PM PST by djf (Democracy - n, def: The group that gets PAID THE MOST ends up VOTING THE MOST See: TRAGEDY)
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To: Eagles6
This is called propaganda.

Either that or the INS/ICE is trying to weasel out of its job by enforcing laws only in the most unpopular contexts. While I'd rather see us control the borders, abolishing the INS/ICE and officially declaring a free-for-all would probably be better than the status quo.

50 posted on 01/19/2007 5:37:26 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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