Posted on 01/20/2007 6:20:34 AM PST by Ladycalif
This Doc was a Army Doc and they tried to get him to change his story...He stuck with it and as a matter of what that is about what the proscutator tried...If you have them convicted and believe the drug dealer then nothing about what any stories that are different or what I have to say about will matter....I just think this thing looks like swiss cheeze...Lots of holes....
Then why do you keep responding to me if nothing you say can change my mind?..... curious.
"Are you kidding me?
No. The bullet hit him in the ass. Explain how one can tell what the arm and hand position was in from that!
" Any Forensic scientist can tell the angle at which a bullet entered a body, the path it took and it's exit."
Sure. The bullet hit him in the left ass and was pulled out of his right groin. Note he was running. He was not running perpendicular to the shot, which would be ridiculous anyway. He was running away.
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Read Loya's story. They fought hand to hand.
"The Department of Homeland Security and the Department of Justice refuse to release information directly relating to the investigations of both BP agents, That's damned near a quote from Michael McCaul. He worked as a Federal Prosecutor."
So what? The defense and the judge had access to any relevant info.
So, where's all the agents Loya's claiming that say the supervisor's full of it? Did the feds schedule the trial for when they were going to be on vacaiton. Did they mysteriously disappear?
Sutton says..."There was no credible evidence that the agents were in a life-threatening situation or that Aldrete, the Mexican alien, had a weapon that would justify the use of deadly force."
Then he says....The truth of this case is that Agents Compean and Ramos shot 15 times at an unarmed man who was running away from them and who posed no threat
Yet the Army Doctor testified that.., "The smuggler was not shot from behind". "He was in a running position, (bladed position) and pointing back with his left arm and hand when the bullet hit his left side of his left buttock and traveled to his right groin
Sooo, the drug dealer was running and pointing backwards! What on earth could he be pointing back with? Why would he point backwards while running away?
It seems quite obvious that he was pointing backwards because he had a gun in his hand and was just about to shoot it.
I see a lot of errors and inconsistencies in the prosecutors statements, and I've only been working on it an hour or so.
A claim was also made by the agents that there was a struggle involving cuts.
The details. With Ramos and Compean in hot pursuit of this drug smuggler, Davila was forced to ditch his van loaded with 743 lbs of marijuana. In attempting to escape, Davila assaulted and cut BP agent Jose Alonso Compean and left him on the ground bleeding. While Compean was chasing Davila on foot, Ramos had been trying to outflank Davila to cut off his escape into Mexico.
BP supervisor, Jonathan Richards, who had arrived on the scene, was very angry that the smuggler had gotten away. Richards ordered everyone to report to the station. He also told them to load the 743 lbs of marijuana onto their vehicles and take it to the station.
Richards never went across the canal to investigate the assault or to check on agent Compean. Ramos and another agent, named Yrigoyen later testified they told Richards that Compean had been assaulted. At the station, another agent, Mendez, stated that Compean had cuts on his face and hand. He said this in the presence of Supervisor Richards. This is significant because Richards denied having any knowledge of Compean’s injuries.
The BP supervisor lied on the witness stand, testifying that no one told him Compean had been assaulted, which is his excuse for never notifying the F.B.I. of this fact. The truth is that he offered Compean medical attention and had asked Compean several times if he was OK. The physical evidence was apparent as Compean was cut and covered with dirt. Richard's failure to notify the F.B.I. of the assault is the reason why the case was never investigated.
Because of the supervisor’s actions, none of the agent's filled out firearms discharge reports. This administrative policy violation calls for a five day suspension without pay. After checking again on Compean’s condition and asking him if he wanted to file assault charges, according to testimony, Richards then made a statement saying, “If we call the F.B.I. we are going to be here all night doing paperwork. We will never know who the person was that assaulted you although we've got the van and the marijuana." After than, everyone went back to work.
You need to ask yourself why you want these BP agents to BE guilty. What personal agenda are you pushing?
It does? How do you get hand position from being shot in the ass?
"The smuggler was not shot from behind". "He was in a running position, (bladed position) and pointing back with his left arm and hand when the bullet hit his left side of his left buttock and traveled to his right groin
The prosecutor's story is so full of holes it looks like swiss cheese. These men were railroaded as a warning to other BP agents...don't stem the flow.
You need a hobby.
" What personal agenda are you pushing?"
I appreciate the truth.
"Davila assaulted and cut BP agent Jose Alonso Compean and left him on the ground bleeding"
The supervisor denies it and the other agents are mysteriously missing from the whole story. Maybe they were taken by the mothership? That's probably why they weren't at the trial.
Loya's account of what the doc said is contradictory. Fiirst he was not shot from behind, then he was. I doubt very much he said that at trial. The cuts appear to be selective and spiced with imagination.
In order for them to convict and the only way they could convict was with the drug dealer...So I guess the drug dealer in your mind is the good guy and the agents are just crimminals..I want the truth also but the it sure seems to be missing with this case....
I meant for my above statement to go to depot...You just posted while I was posting....sorry...
The only three individuals that were there at the actual time this all happened was the drug dealer and the two agents...Other agents and the supervisor arrived later....
The supervisor denies it and the other agents are mysteriously missing from the whole story.
And oj simpson denies murdering his wife so what? Agent Yrigoyen, testified that he told Richards about the assault. If he was lying, why wasn't he prosecuted for perjury?
Who is BP agent Oscar Juarez?
Oscar Juarez was one of the agents given immunity from prosecution because he admitted lying three times on three prior statements during questioning.
Now, what could he be lying about I wonder....
read my last post to you...hahahaha, he was given immunity!!!!!!!
Yes, I did read that. Davila is a scumbag. There is no doubt about that. I'm not a legal expert, but like most folks, I have learned a few things through the years. I think the reason that the jury was not allowed to hear about Davila's past crimes, was because it would prejudice the jury. Sure, we can all say we don't care about that now that we know he was a drug smuggler and an illegal alien. But folks need to remember that at the time this incident occurred, the agents did not know who this person was. This is an important part of the story that seems to go unnoticed, or overlooked. I think part of the reason for that has been the constant stream of misleading headlines and how they refer to Davila.
From everything I've read about the events of that day, Compean and Ramos did NOT know anything about Davila nor the marijuana at the time they shot him. They didn't know for a fact that he was an illegal alien let alone a drug smuggler. And yet they still shot at him and then tried to destroy evidence and conceal what had happened. It seems painfully obvious to me that they knew right away that they had done something very bad, and illegal, and they were in deep trouble unless they could succeed in covering up what they had done.
Oh well, I'm sure we'll learn more facts about this case as time goes by.
He was not there when the actual shooting took place..He arrived shortly after...He like the supervisor testified against them also..I think he did not have a choice..It boils down to this...It is the drug dealer vs the agents...Without the immunity of the drug dealer not once but twice there was no case....
No. The good guys are those insisting that the law be followed. The agents broke the law and used the dealer's testimony and shot up butt as evidence.
"In order for them to convict and the only way they could convict was with the drug dealer."
Yes, the needed his ass as physical evidence and testimony that he was there. However, that wasn't the only testimony. There is also the supervisor, and I'm sure others.
Yes, I know all that. The other agents seem to be missing from Loya's story. The only mention of them is to implicate there were a bunch and they contradicted the supervisor at trial. Of course they didn't, otherwise the jury never would have convicted.
boy do you have an agenda.
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