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A Dose of Worms, Please (multiple sclerosis head's up!)
ScienceNOW Daily News ^ | 17 January 2007 | Dan Ferber

Posted on 01/20/2007 9:56:21 PM PST by neverdem

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41 posted on 01/21/2007 11:42:43 AM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

Thanks Neverdem.

Actually she actually emailed me back already with other articles by this author. This new one isn't available on PubMed yet ... it's not even on the Annals of Neurology site yet ... where it's supposed to be published already. It should be there by the end of the week.

I'll summarize and post once I get the full article. The abstract doesn't say much more than the "for public consumption" ones did.


42 posted on 01/21/2007 11:51:13 AM PST by lkco
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To: neverdem

Oh, and please add me to the ping list.

Freepmail coming.


43 posted on 01/21/2007 11:53:27 AM PST by lkco
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To: 2ndClassCitizen
I had sarcoidosis when I was twenty five. It went away on its own. I did take 100 times the minimum daily requirement for vitamin c for several months (lots of water also).

You were lucky. The recent NIH Access study did not did not find any remissions longer than 2 years.

44 posted on 01/21/2007 12:29:58 PM PST by slowhandluke (It's hard work to be cynical enough in this age)
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To: 2ndClassCitizen

I am a huge fan of Vitamin C that one would think I sell the stuff or own stock in a company making it. It's worked miracles for my rheumatoid arthritis and other problems. I've been reading a lot about intravenous Vit C, too. Wish I knew of someone to administer it, if I ever need it.


45 posted on 01/21/2007 12:32:02 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Good luck sanitizing the world. That dang stuff drys out the skin on my hands. I use plain old soap and water whenever I can. I never put that antibacterial alcohol saturated lotion on.
46 posted on 01/21/2007 12:32:19 PM PST by tioga
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To: neverdem

Know someone that has MS with many exacerbations a year of varying degrees in intensity, since they've been on a low dose of cozaar (25 mg daily) not one exacerbation in over two years... lots of stress and mitigating circumstances to warrant an exacerbation but not one, a bit of weakness from time to time but nothing that required medical intervention. The doc said that it wouldn't hurt, so let's try it, and they did.


47 posted on 01/21/2007 12:38:12 PM PST by WellsFargo94 ("All that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing.")
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To: cgk

Oh yuck! A gut full of worms sounds nasty but it would be nice if these parasites can someday lead to a cure.


48 posted on 01/21/2007 1:07:04 PM PST by octobersky
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To: WellsFargo94
Know someone that has MS with many exacerbations a year of varying degrees in intensity, since they've been on a low dose of cozaar (25 mg daily) not one exacerbation in over two years... lots of stress and mitigating circumstances to warrant an exacerbation but not one, a bit of weakness from time to time but nothing that required medical intervention.

Was blood pressure checked when the person complained of feeling weakness? BTW, I couldn't find anything reported about cozaar and MS. Maybe something else has done it, e.g. meds, bee sting or parasites, etc.?

49 posted on 01/21/2007 1:50:40 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: lkco
I'll summarize and post once I get the full article. The abstract doesn't say much more than the "for public consumption" ones did.

IMHO, a well written abstract is enough to make the take home point and satisfy my curiosity. Otherwise, the stuff in a whole article gets dense on time consuming details, usually only good for arguing those particular details or having its references, although it's nice to have.

50 posted on 01/21/2007 1:51:33 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: octobersky

Well, we are already basically made of bacteria. A regular human has literally hundreds of trillions of bacteria in himself, many, many times more than regular human cells.


51 posted on 01/21/2007 5:49:33 PM PST by djf (Democracy - n, def: The group that gets PAID THE MOST ends up VOTING THE MOST See: TRAGEDY)
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To: 2ndClassCitizen
This reminds me of a kid I knew who was allergic to beestings. He wanted to get out of being drafted and sent to Vietnam. He got a bee just before going to the doctor and held it in his hand until it stung him. It really hurt, but he no longer had an allergy.


OK, so let me get this straight: This idiot is so afraid of the small CHANCE of getting wounded in Vietnam (and the even smaller change of getting killed) that he deliberately got a bee sting which was CERTAIN to make him ill, if not dead by the allergy. I'm almost glad he was not drafted - he's the one who gets others killed in combat and training.
52 posted on 01/21/2007 6:14:43 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: 2ndClassCitizen

There's a lot out there, but here are a few.

From the National Institute of Health:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12480795&dopt=Citation

From The University of Maryland Medical Center:

http://www.umm.edu/altmed/ConsSupplements/Omega3FattyAcidscs.html


53 posted on 01/21/2007 7:31:12 PM PST by ConservativeMind
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To: neverdem
No elevated blood pressure, no recent stings. The cozaar has nothing to do with this persons blood pressure, it was tried solely as an MS tx, and they aren't on any other tx for MS. In fact the monthly solu-medrol drips have been stopped because of the positive results.

www.genomed.com

Although for MS the Genomed study is very limited, however this person has had very positive results. The use of cozaar for tx of kidney disease has been published. Think of aspirin for the use of headaches before they realized all of the other health benefits that it offers.

54 posted on 01/22/2007 8:31:25 AM PST by WellsFargo94 ("All that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing.")
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

I know, a lot of the things people did were really sad. There was another one I knew who did not take a bath for months in order to grow a fungus on his skin. That did not work either.

Two others faked drug addictions. I am sure that there were a lot of other stupid one's. The things those people did were really bad. I met one of them years later. He only regretted that he messed up his record. I would not want to be associated with any of these people today unless they had some type of a real change.


55 posted on 01/22/2007 9:43:10 AM PST by 2ndClassCitizen
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To: slowhandluke

It's been 30 years.

My sarcoidosis was diagnosed by taking one of my lymph nodes out. The eye doctor was the first one to suspect. My eyes turned totally red and I was sensitive to light. I remember staying inside with the shades drawn and sunglasses on. When I went outside it was night and I had to wear sunglasses and avoid looking anywhere near streetlights.


56 posted on 01/22/2007 9:46:27 AM PST by 2ndClassCitizen
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Good luck to you. A sunny disposition helps a lot too.


57 posted on 01/22/2007 9:47:25 AM PST by 2ndClassCitizen
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To: WellsFargo94
No elevated blood pressure, no recent stings. The cozaar has nothing to do with this persons blood pressure, it was tried solely as an MS tx, and they aren't on any other tx for MS. In fact the monthly solu-medrol drips have been stopped because of the positive results.

Cozaar is an angiotensin receptor blocker(ARB) normally used for treating high blood pressure, aka hypertension. But if anyone has their blood pressure lowered too much they will complain that they feel weak, faint, dizzy, passed out, etc. Blood pressure is a balancing act. You have trouble either way, whether it's too high or too low.

I had a patient who forgot to take their medicine for high blood pressure one day. So the next day, he doubled the dose and passed out, most likely because his blood pressure was too low. If your friend taking Cozaar with MS originally had a normal blood pressure, episodes of fealing weak are not surprising, although it could be due to the multiple sclerosis itself.

58 posted on 01/22/2007 1:05:34 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: 2ndClassCitizen
It's been 30 years.

For me, it's been 23 years since the big trouble hit, and 15 since the sarcoid diagnosis. I never saw anything that said vitamin C would help, though I did try it along the way for symptomatic relief, though not at the doses you mention. It didn't seem to help much.

I have found that the antibiotic protocol I'm on is getting rid of the sarcoid. A lot of the other getting-old-fast stuff is going away too, like cholesterol and triglycerides and insulin trouble and high PSA tests.

The next question would be if you have any other auto-immune trouble like arthritis, or diabetes, asthma or psoriasis. The current research suggests that these are all tied to the same set of infections.

59 posted on 01/22/2007 3:17:31 PM PST by slowhandluke (It's hard work to be cynical enough in this age)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

As long as they have cafeterias and recess, we'll never have to worry about them staying too clean.


60 posted on 01/22/2007 9:36:28 PM PST by secret garden (Dubiety reigns here)
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