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Girl Kicked Off Plane After Tantrum
Associated Press ^ | Jan 23, 2007 | JimEllis

Posted on 01/23/2007 7:35:25 PM PST by don'tspeak4me

ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) -- Flight attendants often deal with obnoxious passengers who won't listen to instructions by kicking them off the plane. But a Massachusetts couple think AirTran Airways went overboard by treating their crying 3-year-old daughter in much the same way.

Julie and Gerry Kulesza and daughter Elly were removed from the flight when the girl refused to take her seat before takeoff, airline officials said Tuesday. But her parents said they just needed a little more time to calm her down.

The Kuleszas planned to fly home to Boston on Jan. 14 from Fort Myers after a four-day visit with the girl's paternal grandparents. She was removed because "she was climbing under the seat and hitting the parents and wouldn't get in her seat" during boarding, AirTran spokeswoman Judy Graham-Weaver said.

AirTran officials say they were only following Federal Aviation Administration rules that children age 2 and above must have their own seat and be wearing a seatbelt upon takeoff.

"The flight was already delayed 15 minutes and in fairness to the other 112 passengers on the plane, the crew made an operational decision to remove the family," Graham-Weaver said.

But Julie Kulesza said: "We weren't giving an opportunity to hold her, console her or anything."

"Elly was sitting in front of our seat crying," she said in a phone interview. "The attendant motioned to a seat and asked if we purchased it for her."

They had paid for the seat. Gerry Kulesza said another attendant then approached the family and told him: "You need to get her in control and in her seat."

The couple told the attendants they were trying. Julie Kulesza said she asked the attendants if Elly could sit on her lap, but they said no.

The family flew home the next day.

The Orlando-based carrier reimbursed the family $595.80, the cost of the three tickets, and offered them three roundtrip tickets anywhere the airline flies, Graham-Weaver said.

But that's too little, too late for the Kuleszas. The father said they would never fly AirTran again.


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1 posted on 01/23/2007 7:35:27 PM PST by don'tspeak4me
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To: don'tspeak4me

With all due respect to the family first of all

With flight attendant sit your a** down you better after Sept 11 you better sit your brat down


2 posted on 01/23/2007 7:37:02 PM PST by SevenofNine ("Step aside Jefe"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: don'tspeak4me
But Julie Kulesza said: "We weren't giving an opportunity to hold her, console her or anything."

The flight was delayed for 15 mins. What a crock. No wonder the kid behaved like that.

3 posted on 01/23/2007 7:37:12 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: don'tspeak4me
I did a quick search and didn't see this article posted.

I remember back in the day...my momma would have opened an industrial-sized can of whoop ass on me if I even hinted at acting this way.

4 posted on 01/23/2007 7:37:35 PM PST by don'tspeak4me
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To: don'tspeak4me

Sounds to me as if they should have toss the parents off the flight and told them never to return.


5 posted on 01/23/2007 7:37:42 PM PST by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: don'tspeak4me

Could be a good reason to fly AirTran. And a note to the parents: if you cannot control a child at that age, you are completely out of luck when the kid turns 13. And yes, we have raised two children.


6 posted on 01/23/2007 7:37:46 PM PST by trimom
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To: SevenofNine
With flight attendant sit your a** down you better after Sept 11 you better sit your brat down

Could you translate that, please?

7 posted on 01/23/2007 7:39:56 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: don'tspeak4me

I'm a parent of five kids, three of them still of tantrum age. My guess is, they deserved it.


8 posted on 01/23/2007 7:40:50 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (When toilet paper is a luxury, you have achieved communism.)
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To: don'tspeak4me

In the old days, you'd be so embarrassed you couldn't control your kids, you'd just quietly go away...not anymore.


9 posted on 01/23/2007 7:41:18 PM PST by Hildy (RUDY IN 2008)
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To: MIchaelTArchangel
Exactly. The airline should have beat them to the punch by inviting the family to never fly with them again.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

10 posted on 01/23/2007 7:42:27 PM PST by wku man (Claire Wolfe's "awkward time" is quickly coming to an end!)
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To: don'tspeak4me

Typical MA liberal permissive parents... "honey, you're making daddy sad when you kick the nice flight attendant, please don't make daddy sad, ok honey? if you don't stop pouring water on the people in front of you, you might get a time out, ok? this is your 1st warning and you only have seven left..."


11 posted on 01/23/2007 7:42:43 PM PST by crystalclear9823
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To: don'tspeak4me

Duct tape works wonders. (Never had to use any on my kids but mine were raised proper.)


12 posted on 01/23/2007 7:43:09 PM PST by roadcat
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To: don'tspeak4me

Seems appropriate to me. This wreaks of parents who are afraid to discipline their child.


13 posted on 01/23/2007 7:43:18 PM PST by CheyennePress
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To: don'tspeak4me

YEAAAH.

She wasn't kicked off for a mere "tantrum", but because she wouldn't take her seat.

Good for the airline.


14 posted on 01/23/2007 7:43:29 PM PST by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: don'tspeak4me

I think the parents are idiots.

They bought a seat for their daughter. It appears they had two seats together and one separate. Why did they put their daughter in the separate seat. Why wasn't the daughter with one parent and the other parent in the single seat.

Did I read it wrong?


15 posted on 01/23/2007 7:44:25 PM PST by art_rocks
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To: don'tspeak4me

These parents are pathetic! I'd be ashamed if my child acted like that. ASHAMED AND HUMILIATED.


16 posted on 01/23/2007 7:45:11 PM PST by Humidston
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To: don'tspeak4me
The father said they would never fly AirTran again.

Good. I don't ever have to worry about putting up with the little brat.

17 posted on 01/23/2007 7:45:41 PM PST by Hambone02 (USAF AMMO IYAAYAS)
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To: LadyDoc

One more good reason for keeping the nanny government from being able to tell us that we can't spank our kids.


18 posted on 01/23/2007 7:46:59 PM PST by bannie
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To: metmom

all of his are like that...figure his wording and it's fun to read...jaw drop grinning occures too.


19 posted on 01/23/2007 7:48:10 PM PST by advertising guy (If computer skills named us, I'd be back-space delete.)
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To: don'tspeak4me
The father said they would never fly AirTran again.

Then I surely will!

I'm continually amazed by the lack of parental control nowadays. I have a good friend, he and his wife are great people. But they have a 3 year old son who completely rules them. I mean they are totally slaves to his every whim. My friend is a big guy with a short fuse who doesn't take crap from anyone - except this kid. He will literally ask/tell the child to do (or not do) the smallest thing and the kid will look right at him and defy him, as my friend just slumps his shoulders and caves. It's really sad.
20 posted on 01/23/2007 7:48:46 PM PST by over3Owithabrain
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To: don'tspeak4me

If it was my little darlin' I'd have made her walk home.


21 posted on 01/23/2007 7:49:40 PM PST by kylaka
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To: Hildy

It seems there are some out of control parents out there that expect world to revolve around them and their out of control kids.


22 posted on 01/23/2007 7:51:32 PM PST by Kimmers (It's not what you take when you leave this world behind, it's what you leave behind when you go)
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To: roadcat

The sad part is that the twit parents are from Massholeachusetts so they probably don't even think their little brat was acting up.


23 posted on 01/23/2007 7:52:10 PM PST by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: art_rocks

That was my first take... but it's not clear aftr two re-readings.

Either way, if the child would not stay in the seat, wherever it was, the flight needed to takeoff and therefore the child and family removed.

I won't judge either the child or the family because there is not enough information.


24 posted on 01/23/2007 7:52:33 PM PST by From many - one.
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To: SevenofNine
With flight attendant sit your a** down you better after Sept 11 you better sit your brat down

Say wha-huh?

25 posted on 01/23/2007 7:54:40 PM PST by TomServo ("Uh, Donner, party of three please.")
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To: metmom

I agree. Sometimes children do get scared and take a long time to get calmed down. However an airline waiting to take off is not the place to find out just how long this might take. Depart the plane, calm your child in a nice quiet place. Then call friends and family to let them know you are taking a later flight.


26 posted on 01/23/2007 7:55:09 PM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: don'tspeak4me

I grew up in the 50s and 60s. A very different time I guess. Because, simply, it only took a look from my Dad or Mom to shut you up and straighten up immediately. My Dad only had to spank me one time as I ever remember. I was about 9 or 10. I still remember it and never forgot that I DID NOT want to travel that path again. He did not beat me or was he brutal. But, the lesson learned then is a lesson I carry with me today. My parents, grandparents, etc. practiced corporal punishment. However, no one in my family has committed mass murder or mayhem because of the ass whoopings.


27 posted on 01/23/2007 7:56:31 PM PST by RetiredArmy (Marxis-Dimocrats stand for everything I hate and wish to see destroyed, including them!)
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To: bannie

Maybe our nanny government would be better served by allowing STRANGERS to spank the little brats when their idiot parents get so "confused" that they can't discipline their own spawn.


28 posted on 01/23/2007 7:56:58 PM PST by Humidston
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To: art_rocks

I read it the same way, they were seated behind the child instead of sitting with their child.

Idiot parents alert. AirTran should put them on a No-Fly list.


29 posted on 01/23/2007 7:58:05 PM PST by Valpal1 (Social vs fiscal conservtism? Sorry, I'm not voting my wallet over the broken bodies of the innocent)
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To: roadcat
Duct tape works wonders. (Never had to use any on my kids but mine were raised proper.)

I've always been of the opinion that all you need to properly care for small children are bubble wrap, velcro, and duct tape. For some reason I've never been asked to babysit by any of my friends.

Mark

30 posted on 01/23/2007 7:58:08 PM PST by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: over3Owithabrain
"I'm continually amazed by the lack of parental control nowadays. I have a good friend, he and his wife are great people. But they have a 3 year old son who completely rules them. I mean they are totally slaves to his every whim. My friend is a big guy with a short fuse who doesn't take crap from anyone - except this kid. He will literally ask/tell the child to do (or not do) the smallest thing and the kid will look right at him and defy him, as my friend just slumps his shoulders and caves. It's really sad."

Parents like this make me want to puke...and then they make me want to open a can of whoop ass on them!

31 posted on 01/23/2007 8:00:19 PM PST by don'tspeak4me
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To: don'tspeak4me
I live in a military town. I was comparing children discipline stories with a friend of mine, a retired Navy Captain. His story was the best I have heard.

Years ago he was crossing the Bay Bridge in Maryland, a very long and high bridge. His kids were acting up, so he told his children that the next kid who said a word would be spanked. Needless to say, within seconds one of his kids had to test him. So he stopped the car on the bridge, took the offending child out of the car and spanked him. Within seconds he had stopped traffic and people were honking their horns. When he was through with the spanking, he looked up and realized that almost every person that he could see was giving him signs of approval, e.g waving, giving a thunbs up, etc... . Additionally, miles later when he stopped for gas he heard the person infront of him in line paying for gas tell attendant of the event and give his approval of what had happened.

32 posted on 01/23/2007 8:00:20 PM PST by fini
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To: crystalclear9823

LOLOL! When I hear that "OK?", I just want to screech!!! They just needed time to calm the kid down?? Sheesh!

Those parents need a copy of the new book on child behavior. I think it is entitled -- "NO"!

I wonder what happened on the flight the family took.


33 posted on 01/23/2007 8:00:35 PM PST by Exit148 (Founder of the Loose Change Club. Every nickle and dime counts!!)
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To: don'tspeak4me
But Julie Kulesza said: "We weren't giving an opportunity to hold her, console her or anything."

Good, I hate when folks give opportunities to hold kids.

Dirty little buggers.

34 posted on 01/23/2007 8:00:58 PM PST by humblegunner (If you're gonna die, die with your boots on.)
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To: don'tspeak4me

To the airline: Goodonya!

To the parents: Boo hoo sux to you!

I've had far, far too many flites ruined by obnoxious brats whose parents will not keep them under control. If this kid behaves like a brat in public, that is the fault of the parents.

What happened here is Natural Consequences: raise a brat, get kicked off the plane. And Natural Justice for all those others on the plane, air crew and passengers alike.

We need to see more of this: in cafes, in supermarkets, on buses, in trains, on planes -- anywhere that a shrieking howling brat can make anyone else's lives miserable.

(Yes, I'm a parent and my kids do not misbehave like this because they are not permitted to.)


35 posted on 01/23/2007 8:01:28 PM PST by DieHard the Hunter (I am the Chieftain of my Clan. I bow to nobody. Get out of my way.)
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To: don'tspeak4me
The Orlando-based carrier reimbursed the family $595.80, the cost of the three tickets, and offered them three roundtrip tickets anywhere the airline flies, Graham-Weaver said.

Extraordinarily generous on the part of Air-Tran. My kids are all responsible and delightful young ladies, 17, 20 and 21. Yes, they had their tantrum time. And, yes, they learned a "Spock pinch" was a signal to knock it off . . . immediately. Even a mild whimper of protest brought added punishment later. I once overheard the middle girl explain this to the oldest.

37 posted on 01/23/2007 8:01:52 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: metmom
The flight was delayed for 15 mins. What a crock. No wonder the kid behaved like that.
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Wow; only delayed for 15 minutes? Funny thing about flying military - About 15 years ago my average "delay" was about six hours. That's only in the terminal. I've also waited during two hour "delays" on the aircraft. Also traveling on these flights were families with children ranging in age from infant to teens. Military parents seemed to be capable of preventing this sort of behavior.

Before you assume I am talking about the parents being "Tough" let me enlighten you. These parents are seasoned travelers. They brought things to distract the kids, especially the younger ones. The kids had small toys that kept them entertained without annoying the other passengers. There were lots of books too.

The coolest thing I saw was the little ones "helping" mom and dad with the luggage. Alright; they were holding on to the strap but the parents kept them involved and the small ones felt like they were part of the family and not part of the luggage.

Most of these military families understood the challenges from years of doing it on their own before they had children. Couples with kids who are new to the military usually have some of the older ones take them under their wing and give them some helpful advice. Contrary to a certain campaign challenged senator, they ain't undereducated or stuck. They know what they're doing. More; they want to do what they're doing.
38 posted on 01/23/2007 8:05:45 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: don'tspeak4me

Too fickin' bad boo hoo. She sounds like a brat who prolly sleeps with her folks and rules the roost......


39 posted on 01/23/2007 8:06:02 PM PST by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: don'tspeak4me

SAUNDERS: There ought not to be a law on spanking
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1771139/posts


40 posted on 01/23/2007 8:06:09 PM PST by quietolong
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To: don'tspeak4me

The last time I went to RENO, on the way home a couple got on the plane with five kids. Of course they didn't have seats for two. The little animals raised hell all the way. I haven't been on a plane since, I just take an extra day or two and drive.


41 posted on 01/23/2007 8:07:41 PM PST by org.whodat (Never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption.)
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To: art_rocks

Why did they put their daughter in the separate seat.
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If you wouldn't want to spend the flight next to the screaming brat why do you think the parents would?


42 posted on 01/23/2007 8:08:18 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: don'tspeak4me; SevenofNine; metmom; LadyDoc; From many - one.; lastchance
The family flew home the next day.

This version of the story leaves out a pertinent fact. While it's perfectly reasonable for an airline to require a family with an out-of-control tantrumming preschooler to get off the plane so it can be in compliance with federal safety regulations for take-off, the airline also refused to let the family fly again for 24 hours, incurring a hotel bill, lost work time for the father, and other inconveniences. They invoked the same policy that is used on belligerent adults who get kicked off a flight without getting arrested and charged.

Kids this age sometimes get out of control. Sometimes it's due to bad parenting, but by no means always. A 3 year old is capable of wriggling out of a seat belt or opening the buckle if really determined, so it may really have been impossible for the parents to get the girl seated without inflicting real injury on her and/or letting her inflict serious injury on them, and simultaneously stay buckled in their own seats. Notwithstanding the folks here who suggest they should have given the girl a good whupping, the fact is that in this day and age, the parents are likely to find themselves arrested and charged with child abuse if they use that form of discipline. The airline should have offered the family the opportunity to fly on the next flight available (preferably soon after the flight in question, since tantrums of this magnitude are generally followed by complete exhaustion and sound sleep).

43 posted on 01/23/2007 8:09:05 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: metmom
The flight was delayed for 15 mins. What a crock. No wonder the kid behaved like that.

Maybe the kid's behavior was the reason the flight had been delayed.

44 posted on 01/23/2007 8:10:17 PM PST by elli1
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"Why wasn't the daughter with one parent..."

That is a good question, and one that I wondered about as well. Recently, I took a trip to Hawaii. Upon my return flight, there was a couple with a young boy, whom was obviously scared. While passengers were finding their seats, the family stood and held the boy, calmly talking to him. Every once and a while he'd try to sit the boy in his seat, which was located between both parents. The boy would cry, and the father would patiently pick the boy up and carry him again until the child felt secure. Finally, when the seatbelt sign flickered on, the father placed the boy in his seat. The boy whimpered for just a moment, then settled down. He was fine the entire flight.

That child should have been seated with one of the parents. Perhaps this child would have misbehaved anyway. Regardless, a 3 yr. old child should always be with a parent.



45 posted on 01/23/2007 8:10:17 PM PST by This Just In
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To: don'tspeak4me
But Julie Kulesza said: "We weren't giving an opportunity to hold her, console her or anything."

Liar, Liar pants on fire!

Parents with small children get to board first on every airline I have ever flown.

46 posted on 01/23/2007 8:11:01 PM PST by Pontiac (Patriotism is the natural consequence of having a free mind in a free society.)
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To: Exit148
LOLOL! When I hear that "OK?", I just want to screech!!!

Man, I am with you on that...this drives me crazy too! You see this on the show COPS all the time. They catch someone and they say "We're arresting you for having 3 pounds of cocaine - Ok ?" What would the cop do if the drughead said loudly "NO IT'S NOT OK..NOW GO AWAY"

I just shake my head....

47 posted on 01/23/2007 8:11:35 PM PST by Mopp4
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To: don'tspeak4me

That's the reason I never fly without my noise cancelling headphones.


48 posted on 01/23/2007 8:11:46 PM PST by Buck W. (If you push something hard enough, it will fall over.)
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To: don'tspeak4me

If you fly with chidlren have as many things as possible to keep them busy and/or distrct them. I never travel with my child (Who is 5) w/o portable DVD player, coloring books, crayons, books, IPod, or whatever. Also my child knows how he is expected to behave in such situations.


49 posted on 01/23/2007 8:12:43 PM PST by shoebooty
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To: GovernmentShrinker

I agree with your position if your information is correct.

Do we know that there was another flight available that day and that the airline did not pick up the hotel bill??


50 posted on 01/23/2007 8:14:03 PM PST by From many - one.
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