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Yes, Rudy Giuliani Is a Conservative -- And an electable one, at that.
City Journal ^ | Winter, 07 | Steven Malanga

Posted on 01/24/2007 5:53:08 PM PST by Sunsong

Not since Teddy Roosevelt took on Tammany Hall a century ago has a New York politician closely linked to urban reform looked like presidential timber. But today ex–New York mayor Rudy Giuliani sits at or near the top of virtually every poll of potential 2008 presidential candidates. Already, Giuliani’s popularity has set off a “stop Rudy” movement among cultural conservatives, who object to his three marriages and his support for abortion rights, gay unions, and curbs on gun ownership. Some social conservatives even dismiss his achievement in reviving New York before 9/11. An August story on the website Right Wing News, for instance, claims that Giuliani governed Gotham from “left of center.” Similarly, conservatives have been feeding the press a misleading collection of quotations by and about Giuliani, on tax policy and school choice issues, assembled to make him look like a liberal.

But in a GOP presidential field in which cultural and religious conservatives may find something to object to in every candidate who could really get nominated (and, more important, elected), Giuliani may be the most conservative candidate on a wide range of issues. Far from being a liberal, he ran New York with a conservative’s priorities: government exists above all to keep people safe in their homes and in the streets, he said, not to redistribute income, run a welfare state, or perform social engineering. The private economy, not government, creates opportunity, he argued; government should just deliver basic services well and then get out of the private sector’s way. He denied that cities and their citizens were victims of vast forces outside their control, and he urged New Yorkers to take personal responsibility for their lives....

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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

What? This isn't Scrappleface?!?!

Oh my, what is the world coming to...

;-)


121 posted on 01/24/2007 6:53:13 PM PST by EternalVigilance (For babies, the threat from terrorists pales next to the threat from Planned Barrenhood knives)
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To: Graybeard58
See post 77.

Unless it's a recent ability the AM confirms I was right to not believe the mods statement of a couple years ago.

122 posted on 01/24/2007 6:53:43 PM PST by ASA Vet (The WOT should have been over on 9/12/01.)
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To: JennysCool
So, i gather you're one of those "disgruntled voters" who lost it for us

Yeah, it's NEVER the fault of pubbies who were so busy porking up bills with earmarks that they failed to give voters a reason to re-elect them.

123 posted on 01/24/2007 6:54:00 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter - I still like ya, but please read the 10th and get back to me regarding Congr pardons)
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To: JennysCool
So, i gather you're one of those "disgruntled voters" who lost it for us.

The RINO nutjobs in the senate lost it.

Rush Limbaugh says "moderates" are liberals. I agree with Limbaugh...

124 posted on 01/24/2007 6:55:17 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: dirtboy

Well, enjoy your "improved" Congress.


125 posted on 01/24/2007 6:55:23 PM PST by JennysCool (Blink 182 isn't just a band, it's Nancy Pelosi's per-minute average.)
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To: ASA Vet

I rarely add keywords even when I post the article. A member asked me once to add the word BANGLIST to articles about guns, so I do that.


126 posted on 01/24/2007 6:55:54 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

Well, enjoy your "improved" Congress.


127 posted on 01/24/2007 6:56:00 PM PST by JennysCool (Blink 182 isn't just a band, it's Nancy Pelosi's per-minute average.)
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To: babygene

I'm talking about the tendency to engage in hyperbolic descriptions of those we support and those we oppose. Not just mere puffery or vitriol but full bore doo-doo slinging and tubthumping sanctification. I love it.

The closer or farther away from victory a potential candidate is the wilder the hyperbole associated with him...eg.


" Rudy Giuliani is the moral equivalent of a Nellie Furtado and Beyonce' Knowles"


128 posted on 01/24/2007 6:56:23 PM PST by tomcorn
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To: JennysCool
Well, enjoy your "improved" Congress.

My Republican Representative won his reelection... how about yours?

Limbaugh says "moderates" are liberals. I agree. I do not vote for liberals...

129 posted on 01/24/2007 6:59:58 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: JennysCool
Stop being so Silly. You can't support that Urban legend in a million years.

But if the GOP keeps pushing a left wing agenda, it will become a true statement. Your support of a Left-Wing Republican is sure not helping matters. Unless your core beliefs are as Liberal as Rudy's.

130 posted on 01/24/2007 7:00:06 PM PST by Afronaut (Supporting Republican Liberals is the Undeniable End to Freedom)
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To: tomcorn
One thing this thread, and every other Rudy thread, illustrates is how deeply divided we are on the man.
131 posted on 01/24/2007 7:01:24 PM PST by BW2221
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To: JennysCool
Well, enjoy your "improved" Congress.

Hint: Learn from your mistakes and you won't repeat them.

132 posted on 01/24/2007 7:01:42 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter - I still like ya, but please read the 10th and get back to me regarding Congr pardons)
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To: Afronaut

Well, enjoy your "improved" Congress.


133 posted on 01/24/2007 7:01:57 PM PST by JennysCool (Blink 182 isn't just a band, it's Nancy Pelosi's per-minute average.)
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To: Right_Wing_Madman

Thanks for your post! And for reading the article :-)


134 posted on 01/24/2007 7:02:06 PM PST by Sunsong
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To: bilhosty
"We have to win this one and right now we have to presenta different face."

The last time the Republicans presented that "different face" you're talking about was back in the '70's with Gerald Ford, and look what it got the country - Jimmy Carter. Just goes to show you that any old Democrat short of a weird little troll like Kucinich could win the presidency.

135 posted on 01/24/2007 7:02:38 PM PST by penowa (NO more Bushes; NO more Clintons EVER!)
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To: babygene

Then you were not paying attention in 2000. I joined a Bush Group for President in January 1999. Does that give you a clue? 1999 -- election in 2000; 2007 -- election in 2008! In fact, I wrote then Governor Bush a letter in 1998 urging him to run for President and in 1998 election his bumperstrips did not say Governor on them.


136 posted on 01/24/2007 7:03:51 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Broken Glass Republican - Vote Rudy/Allen - Take Back the House and Senate in '08)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

Just out of curiosity what are the deal killers in the Conservative Bonafides list...

If someone is everything conservative but prochoice are they a "faux- conservative" ?

If someone is everything conservative but wants to ban hand guns does that nix them?

Is there some generally agree upon formula of Gotta haves to be a " real conservative"?

Is their an quantifiable formula for a RINO? or is is just an epithet to be hurled when you dislike some one's opinion?


137 posted on 01/24/2007 7:06:14 PM PST by tomcorn
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To: Dreagon

"It's amazing how people are trying to sell us on this guy."

Well, the media likes him. Obviously, they have our best interest at heart, right?


138 posted on 01/24/2007 7:07:56 PM PST by EnochPowellWasRight
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To: cripplecreek; PhiKapMom
"I will say that he becomes a lot more tolerable if we can get a conservative house and senate."

I would hope so. I'm willing to give Rudy a chance. Anyone who can face down the mob is the guy I want facing Al Queda, Iran, North Korea, Democrats and other enemies of America.

However, I have concerns about a couple of issues...

For myself, he can't be the perfect candidate but I'm waiting to be convinced that he's the right guy for our time.

139 posted on 01/24/2007 7:09:13 PM PST by OKSooner
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To: BW2221; Howlin; onyx

No different than 2000! I was one of the few Bush supporters at the beginning. You obviously were not here when Alan Keyes went after Bush on the radio in OK and Ole Okie and I went ballistic and Keyes folks went after us. Keyes called then Gov Bush -- Bush-lite and said in November he was going to tell all of us "I Told You So" when Bush-lite lost. May be on to something the next time I see Bush-lite mentioned.

It was very nasty on here and this is a cake walk compared to those days not to mention the Davis Recall threads where a bunch of us almost got banned one night.

Howlin/onyx -- remember those days?


140 posted on 01/24/2007 7:10:04 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Broken Glass Republican - Vote Rudy/Allen - Take Back the House and Senate in '08)
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