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To: neverdem
Let's make this even simpler. Let's just draw the line at bestiality just because we can. We know that there is value in setting limits, and we recognize that any line we draw is by necessity arbitrary. So let's just accept the arbitrariness of that decision and draw the line without apologizing for it.

We're going to say that having sex with animals is wrong. Not ... "because" ... of anything. But just because it is. We could just as easily pass a law saying it's illegal to wear red. Except that humanity in general does not agree that wearing red is an abomination, while it DOES agree that that describes bestiality.

Enough is enough.

2 posted on 01/24/2007 6:59:21 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: IronJack
There is a big difference between loving your pet (that includes Horses, goats ect) and being in love with your pet.

Having sex with your pet? Now that's just gross, and probably confusing as hell to the animal.

call me a prude if you want, but this should be banned.

5 posted on 01/24/2007 7:05:03 PM PST by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: IronJack
Enough is enough.

That won't be enough for the 9th Circus.

10 posted on 01/24/2007 7:34:00 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: IronJack

It is completely inexcusable for an attorney to somehow believe what this guy is spewing. His argument is based on two very flawed assumptions:

1. Morality is decided by the majority of people and anyone who rejects that assertion is a ‘relativist’.
2. The people have the right to legislate issues outside the realm of morality.

First, a definition; I don’t want to talk about one thing and you think another. What is morality? Morality is a set of codes used by society to secure the individual rights of the people. If a particular issue does not adversely affect the individual rights of a person, it is not a moral issue.

On my number one. I’m an atheist but I’m also a moral objectivist. In this way I’m somewhat like many of you in that as Christians, many of you also believe morality is objective (although of course we differ on the source). The means that we all believe that in this country of 300 million people, if 299 million of them believe something is right that doesn’t necessarily make it so. We all know this is wrong. For number two, the Constitution clearly forbids it. Everything in the Bill of Rights is there to protect peoples individual rights against the government. As sick and disgusting as bestiality is, animals have no rights therefore there CAN NOT be any violation of them.

What is morally wrong is to base any law, any legislation on a morality that isn’t based on the protection of individual rights. The purpose of government isn’t to enforce some, or even a majority of a peoples ideas on morality; it’s to create a system that allows people to freely act insofar as they respect the rights of other individuals. Anything greater then that is simple tyranny.


14 posted on 01/25/2007 10:13:36 AM PST by Raymann
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