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Giuliani a tough conservative sell
AP on Yahoo ^ | 1/25/07 | Liz Sidoti - ap

Posted on 01/25/2007 8:32:31 PM PST by NormsRevenge

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To: upsdriver
What's your prediction...WHO will be the candidates?
301 posted on 01/25/2007 11:20:21 PM PST by nopardons
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To: TitansAFC
I guess it depends on the issue. But MOST of them are State issues. You assume that Rudy would share that view - I do not.

You assume what I would assume(s). I have said that I have not, nor will not at this early stage, decide who I support. I think that most social issues are the pervue of the states. What that means to me is that a presidential candidate is NOT the person to look to to enact social issues.

McCain is the man who pushed through campaign finance - not Rudy.

My view is that the second amendment IS safe. I think the Supreme Court we have now would uphold the right to bear arms - meaning I think Kennedy gets that. I have yet to hear what Rudy is saying now about guns? Have you? I happen to agree with you that the second amendment is VERY important. Right after free speech it's the next most important amendment(s).

I understand that Giuliani has stated that Scalia is the judge he admires. That works for me.

I am looking forward to more candidates joining the field. Personally, I am hoping that the 2008 race can be a campaign of ideas...with a full field of GOP candidates.

302 posted on 01/25/2007 11:20:24 PM PST by Sunsong
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To: TitansAFC

Your citation of his NARAL speech is from 2001, when he was serving as Mayor of NYC. Certainly, as a former Reagan aide, he might have a clue as to how to govern from the White House, as opposed to Gracie Mansion (or whatever they call it)?

He's a political animal, certainly. That, I will grant you.

But, frankly, he's a winner among that vast segment of the American electorate that doesn't monitor FR daily yet still cares about the nation, at least between episodes of "American Idol". In short, those who vote in Presidential election years.


303 posted on 01/25/2007 11:22:15 PM PST by IslandJeff (that for every right there is a duty, for every benefit an obligation)
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To: MaxMax
Please explain, IN DETAIL, the history of the "HAIRY LEG SHOW in America, from colonial times through today, as well as the history of this charity show, the one in Chicago, and any other ones you are able to find.
304 posted on 01/25/2007 11:22:31 PM PST by nopardons
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To: PhiKapMom

I voted a straight Republican ticket statewide and knew I was basically going to lose my vote but never thought it would be as bad as it turned out. It was a disaster here statewide.

I did the same thing here in PA with the same results. Of course you don't expect much in this state. I've been interested in your comments on OK politics as I'll be moving there in about a month.


305 posted on 01/25/2007 11:24:26 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (“No, I have not supported that," Guiliani when asked about a ban on partial birth abortion)
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To: nopardons; NormsRevenge
>>>>Yes, he did and he has also spent much of '06 traveling around with Hillary, beaming at her, helping her to see HILLARY CARE PART TWO.

I've explained this to you before, but you keep repeating the same lies, over and over. Newt and Hillary joined forces on an issue they agreed on. It had to do with changing the current system that handles private medical records of American's, from a cumbersome, unsafe paper file system, to a more secure electronic record keeping system. The issue was even mentioned by Bush in the SOTUS the other night.

This is not a big deal. You nopardons are bound and determined to fabricate lies from the horsecrap you keep speading on post after post, night after night.

306 posted on 01/25/2007 11:24:46 PM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't vote for liberals.)
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To: IslandJeff

I intend to find one. There are several running so far. I like Hunter the best right now, but we are still along way off from the elections. I think there will be more announcing as time goes on. The reason I have been intense on the Rudy thing is because that's the hot subject right now. I looked in on a Duncan Hunter thread earlier tonite but that was a bunch of Rudy supporters on it bashing Hunter. What to do, what to do?


307 posted on 01/25/2007 11:24:50 PM PST by upsdriver
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To: Spiff
SPOT ON.

A Rudy victory is a hollow victory. A Rudy victory, in fact, isn't much of a victory at all. As someone else observed, this happened in California with Gov. Schwarzenegger.

Goodness, you'd think many of the Rudy folks here are viewing the American electorate as a macrocosm of liberal California. You would think they were ashamed of conservatism, ashamed of Ronald Reagan.

308 posted on 01/25/2007 11:24:58 PM PST by Lexinom
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To: upsdriver

Wouldn't blast anyone for an honest disagreement. But what has been happening on these threads is a contingent of Rudy haters coming on them immediately and posting the same thing on every thread and they don't even read the article before starting in. A lot of us had the same battles in 2000 with the Keyes people who hate Gov Bush. Same story different name but same people.

I won't blast anyone for a Republican they support and you can have reasoned discussions and agree to disagree.

George Allen was my first choice! I will support whoever wins in the general election -- just want someone in the general who will win enough states I don't have to stay up all night waiting to hear if our candidate won. To do that we have to run a candidate that can reach out to various groups that have been dissed by social conservatives who now are saying once again they won't vote unless they get their way. It is their right to not vote but it means we have to work to put coalitions together to win. We cannot depend on them again after what happened in 2006.


309 posted on 01/25/2007 11:25:31 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Broken Glass Republican - Vote Rudy/Steele - Take Back the House and Senate in '08)
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To: IslandJeff
---"But, frankly, he's a winner among that vast segment of the American electorate that doesn't monitor FR daily yet still cares about the nation, at least between episodes of "American Idol". In short, those who vote in Presidential election years."---

LOL I like that. ;-)

But I disagree. I actually think he gets flanked from the right and loses, because he's going to be stuck selling a war to a bunch of folks who don't want it. meanwhile, Hitlery or whomever will tell them whatever they want to hear, and promise them lots of free stuff.

So I actually disagree that Rudy would win.

UNFORTUNATELY, I do believe McVain would win. Ugh.
310 posted on 01/25/2007 11:25:50 PM PST by TitansAFC (Pacifism is not peace; pacifists are not peacemakers.)
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To: MHGinTN

No............Rudy is the ONLY one she can NOT defeat with her war room tactics! Everything is known about him and he is still liked; unlike McCain.


311 posted on 01/25/2007 11:25:51 PM PST by nopardons
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To: freedomfiter2

They would and the HAVE!


312 posted on 01/25/2007 11:27:31 PM PST by nopardons
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To: PhiKapMom

just want someone in the general who will win enough states I don't have to stay up all night waiting to hear if our candidate won.

Not to mention weeks, waiting for the Dems to exhaust their legal challenges.


313 posted on 01/25/2007 11:29:11 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (“No, I have not supported that," Guiliani when asked about a ban on partial birth abortion)
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To: IslandJeff

That's why I'm donating generously to Hunter's campaign and have volunteered to help him in any way I can. Given the number of God-hating gay-loving pro-aborts in Washington, I wouldn't be surprised if I am the ONLY WA FReeper supporting Duncan Hunter. (frustrating).


314 posted on 01/25/2007 11:29:39 PM PST by Lexinom
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To: Sunsong
>>>>I understand that Giuliani has stated that Scalia is the judge he admires. That works for me.

Rudy likes Ruth Bader Ginsberg too.

COLMES: Now, Roe vs. Wade -- You are pro-choice. How important is it to you as a pro-choice Republican to have a pro-choice on the court as someone...

GIULIANI: That is not the critical factor. And what's important to me is to have a very intelligent, very honest, very good lawyer on the court. And he fits that category, in the same way Justice Ginsburg fit that category.

Fox News Link

In this answer, Rudy offers his criteria for a good SCOTUS justice. 1. "very intelligent" 2."very honest" 3. "very good lawyer". It's Rudy`s opinion that both CJ Roberts and J Ginsburg fit into that category. Frankly, I convinced Rudy would be more satisfied with a Lawrence Tribe or a George Mitchell on the SC, then a Constitutional conservative like Antonin Scalia or Clarence Thomas.

315 posted on 01/25/2007 11:30:17 PM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't vote for liberals.)
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To: nopardons

They would and the HAVE!

They would and they have what?


316 posted on 01/25/2007 11:30:57 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (“No, I have not supported that," Guiliani when asked about a ban on partial birth abortion)
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To: freedomfiter2

In politics it doesn't work. There are not short term loses that do not have consequences. That is being politically naive. Look at what has happened thanks to that thinking in 2006.

You cannot compare politics to a business when talking about winning and losing. The consequences we are getting from the thinking of teaching a lesson could have grave consequences to this Nation. We are at WAR and the terrorist want to kill us and change our way of life. This is not Ford or GM we are talking about -- it is the future of this Nation as we know it.

Hillary in the WH will hurt our military and we cannot afford to let that happen. You want to go back to the days when the Joint Chiefs were told to wear suits in the WH because she didn't like military uniforms? I certainly do not and will support the candidate who I think has the best chance of defeating the DemocRAT. Right now that candidate looks like it is Rudy.


317 posted on 01/25/2007 11:31:16 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Broken Glass Republican - Vote Rudy/Steele - Take Back the House and Senate in '08)
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To: upsdriver
that was a bunch of Rudy supporters on it bashing Hunter

You won't find me among them, Sir. There's a bit of defensiveness going on right now.
318 posted on 01/25/2007 11:31:23 PM PST by IslandJeff (that for every right there is a duty, for every benefit an obligation)
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To: nopardons

No.


319 posted on 01/25/2007 11:32:15 PM PST by MaxMax (God Bless America)
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To: UncleDick
Rudy = CUTTING TAXED, CUTTING THE SIZE OF GOVERNMENT, NOT ONLY GETTING RID OF A DEFICIT, BUT LEAVING THE CITY WITH A SURPLUS, THE WOT, MASSIVELY LOWERING THE WELFARE ROLLS, and on and one; yet you claim that he and Hillary are the "same"?

Instead of blindly posting, try to first learn the facts!

320 posted on 01/25/2007 11:32:37 PM PST by nopardons
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