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Giuliani a tough conservative sell
AP on Yahoo ^ | 1/25/07 | Liz Sidoti - ap

Posted on 01/25/2007 8:32:31 PM PST by NormsRevenge

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To: BigSkyFreeper
I just won't be able to bring myself to vote for a pro-abortion, anti-2nd Amendment 'Republican' under any circumstances.

It ain't gonna happen.

L

441 posted on 01/26/2007 1:37:52 AM PST by Lurker (Europeans killed 6 million Jews. As a reward they got 40 million Moslems. Karma's a bitch.)
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To: Reagan Man
If you don't like hearing about advancing conservatism and opposing liberalism, then you won't like my posts.

I don't much care for posters who mock the name of Reagan, who didn't care who supported him. He welcomed those on either side of the political spectrum.

442 posted on 01/26/2007 1:38:18 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: Lurker

Fine. Just don't bother inviting me to any pity party you plan on having in the future.


443 posted on 01/26/2007 1:39:27 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Looks like you've run out of any legitimate remarks and have lowered yourself into the gutter. Look pal, I honor Reagan's name. When you revert to attacking someones screen name, you've lost the debate. Except in this case, you never engaged in real debate. Just tired rhetoric from tired FReeper. LOL


444 posted on 01/26/2007 1:42:42 AM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't vote for liberals.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
Just don't bother inviting me to any pity party you plan on having in the future.

No problem.

But tell me something please. Why on Earth would someone on a conservative board advocate voting for a pro-abortion, pro gun control, big spending New York RINO?

Is 'electability' now the watchword?

What kind of judges do you think Rudy would nominate?

And finally; what good are Republican principles if the candidate doesn't embrace them?

L

445 posted on 01/26/2007 1:43:42 AM PST by Lurker (Europeans killed 6 million Jews. As a reward they got 40 million Moslems. Karma's a bitch.)
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To: Lurker
Why on Earth would someone on a conservative board advocate voting for a pro-abortion, pro gun control, big spending New York RINO?

I'm not advocating or supporting Guiliani.

What kind of judges do you think Rudy would nominate?

Same ones Bush nominated. He supported every one that got nominated.

And finally; what good are Republican principles if the candidate doesn't embrace them?

I thought conservative principles mattered to some of you purists.

446 posted on 01/26/2007 1:48:28 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: Reagan Man

Run along to bed, if I need you to knock around in a debate, I'll ping you. You're relieved of duty knave.


447 posted on 01/26/2007 1:49:41 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

I'm here, right now. So far, all you've done is knock yourself stupid. The rants of a juvenile. I don't call that debate, boy.


448 posted on 01/26/2007 1:55:25 AM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't vote for liberals.)
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To: Reagan Man
I understand that and listed three (abortion, gun-control, and gays). You've given a much fuller list. My idea I suppose went above to philosophy - well beyond the scope of a political knock-down drag-out, but its basis nonetheless (otherwise, what exactly are we "conserving"?)

Rudy is a liberal. He's also a nice guy, bright, charming, witty. Many are deceived and (think they) will be satisfied with a hollow victory with a "R" next to it.

Others are just confused, biding their time, looking for answers. That's fine.

Still others insinuate that all the non-Rudys out there McCain excepted are "pure" and their supporters "purists" - insatiable spoiled children. Earlier in the thread I gave a reason for, for example, an uncompromising position on abortion, a reason why it is not to be treated as "just another issue" of equal weight. For me, I would sooner vote for a Democrat that a Republican providing he ran on a pledge to illegalize abortion and enact strict enforcement and imprisonment for abortionists on his first day in office - and diversion of all Planned Parenthood funding to the nation's pregnancy centers instead. A national day of mourning for the 49,000,000 innocent lives taken - people we will never meet, people whose lives ended brutally at the altar of convenience - would be a most appropriate gesture - to be held every Jan 22.

The other issues you mentioned are also quite important: Without our guns, who's to stop the governemnt from taking our children, our possessions, our homes? Who is to defend his fervent belief that no child be schooled on the Lord's Day, for example, when Congress forces public schools open on Sundays since, after all, their "science" has proven there's no basis for Sabbath observance since there's no God. (Actually, without the transcendent axioms on which science rest, which can ONLY make sense in a Universe harmonized and orchestrated by an omniscient God, science could not exist, but that's another discussion.) IOW the freedom of religion our Constitution guarantees is protected by our arms.

So these are two very important issues. Gay marriage is important as well because its inception would represent a further erosion of our collective perception of absolute truth.

These are all reasons why I'm opposing Rudy as President. BTW I think he would be an asset in the correct post - just not any post where he can touch any moral issue with a ten-foot pole.

449 posted on 01/26/2007 1:56:35 AM PST by Lexinom
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To: BigSkyFreeper
I'm not advocating or supporting Guiliani.

Sorry, my mistake.

I thought conservative principles mattered to some of you purists.

They do to me.

L

450 posted on 01/26/2007 1:59:16 AM PST by Lurker (Europeans killed 6 million Jews. As a reward they got 40 million Moslems. Karma's a bitch.)
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To: Reagan Man

You haven't laid one good punch on me boy.


451 posted on 01/26/2007 2:02:52 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: Lexinom

We're in basic agreement about Rudy. I won't vote for any candidate that is not pro-life. But you won't find me ever voting for a Democrat either. 2008 is going to be a tough year for the GOP. With the wrong candidate at the top of the ticket, Republicans are guaranteed to lose. 2006 should've been a wake up call to ALL Republicans. Clearly some GOP folks are still sound asleep.


452 posted on 01/26/2007 2:03:14 AM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't vote for liberals.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
>>>>You haven't laid one good punch on me boy.

That is not entirely true, bucko. Frankly you've been doing a good job of beating yourself up in recent posts. Don't let me stop ya.

453 posted on 01/26/2007 2:09:43 AM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't vote for liberals.)
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To: Reagan Man

Like I said, you're all about cut and paste. No original thought of your own. You're spoonfed everything you think and believe.


454 posted on 01/26/2007 2:11:39 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

There you go again. You just can't stick to the topic. You'd rather jab at people with dumba$$ remarks, then debate issues. That's because you're not a serious person. Just another mindless bot.


455 posted on 01/26/2007 2:15:58 AM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't vote for liberals.)
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To: Victoria Delsoul

Good heavens, did no one think to ping you to this thread ? ;-)


456 posted on 01/26/2007 2:19:04 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: Reagan Man

Give me something worthy of debate then maybe you won't be so downtrodden.


457 posted on 01/26/2007 2:32:38 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: NormsRevenge
Conservatives are between a rock and a hard place and it's because the one thing we NEVER do is groom a strong canditate ahead of time.

I don't like htis any better than any other conservative but here's what I think we have to do. Quit the infighting and support a Rudy/Romney ticket. At least Rudy has proved that he's a leader. Romeny will appeal to "moderates" of both persuasions, and would help make an eventual transition to a conservative candidate easier.

Then while we endure a RINO Rudy presidency, maybe even a Romney administration, we get together and find a strong conservative candidate to run in the next available cycle.

Of course this all assumes things remain pretty much status quo globally and economically in the US.

FWIW In typing this I just noticed a Rudy/Romney ticket is RR, not that they come close to The Man. I've been watching RR clips on YouTube overnight, especially the tributes and the ones with his "Tear down this wall" speech.

Good Lord I miss The Gipper...

prisoner6

458 posted on 01/26/2007 2:36:48 AM PST by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts hold the country together as the loose screws of the Left fall out.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Is it REALLY too much to ask for the republicans to nominate a solid conservative? Must they continually provide choices that we have to vote for as the lesser of two evils?


459 posted on 01/26/2007 2:40:47 AM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: NormsRevenge

I'd pick Rudy over Hillary anytime.


460 posted on 01/26/2007 2:47:40 AM PST by 2dogjoe (Have a Blessed Day)
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