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Russia, U.S. heading for clash over Kosovo
World Peace Herald/ Washington Times ^ | January 26, 2007 | By David R. Sands

Posted on 01/26/2007 9:03:07 AM PST by Bokababe

WASHINGTON -- Russia and the United States may be heading for another clash of wills as a United Nations mediator prepares to issue his recommendation today in Brussels over whether the province of Kosovo should break free from Serbia, a close ally of Moscow.

U.S. and NATO peacekeepers are on heightened alert in Kosovo as U.N. Special Envoy Martti Ahtisaari gives a closed-door briefing on Kosovo in Vienna, Austria, to the six-nation "Contact Group" trying to broker a diplomatic deal.

Serbia has vowed to keep control of the province, whose overwhelmingly ethnic Albanian majority is demanding independence. Kosovo has been in political limbo since 1999, when a U.S.-led bombing campaign drove out Serbian troops under President Slobodan Milosevic.

Western diplomats fear Kosovo's impatient Albanian leadership could resort to violence if their statehood hopes are blocked. About 16,000 NATO-led peacekeepers remain in the province eight years after the end of that war.....

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: clintonlegacy; kosovo; russia; usun; wrongplace; wrongside; wrongtime
First we lead a 78 day NATO bombing in favor of Kosovo Albanians and now we are going to butt heads with Russia over them? They are not worth it!
1 posted on 01/26/2007 9:03:09 AM PST by Bokababe
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To: Bokababe
The Kosovars are friendly towards muslim terrorists, while the Serbs are more friendly to us. Basically, we joined the wrong team in that war.

Kosovo can go piss up a rope for all I care.
2 posted on 01/26/2007 9:05:40 AM PST by JamesP81 (If you have to ask permission from Uncle Sam, then it's not a right)
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To: Bokababe

If you oppose Kosovo Independence, as I do, please sign the online petition opposing it here!: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/savekosovo-metohija/index.html


3 posted on 01/26/2007 9:05:42 AM PST by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Bokababe
Kosovo has been in political limbo since 1999, when a U.S.-led bombing campaign drove out Serbian troops under President Slobodan Milosevic.

Who ordered that attack and why was Kosovo such a threat to us? /s

4 posted on 01/26/2007 9:07:07 AM PST by Long Island Pete
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To: joan; Smartass; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; ma bell; ...

5 posted on 01/26/2007 9:07:10 AM PST by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Bokababe

How will we react in the future if an overwhelmingly Mexican population demands independence for AZ, CA, NM, and TX?


6 posted on 01/26/2007 9:10:39 AM PST by rogator
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To: Bokababe
You can bet that the Kosovo Albanians will resort to violence, its their way. Independence or no independence their still will be violence. Kosovo independence is very dangerous.
7 posted on 01/26/2007 9:12:28 AM PST by Wraith (To have peace prepare for War.)
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To: Bokababe


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/25/AR2007012501939_pf.html


8 posted on 01/26/2007 9:19:23 AM PST by Dragonfly
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To: Bokababe

We should have left once Bush took office.


9 posted on 01/26/2007 9:22:41 AM PST by Sword_Svalbardt (Sword Svalbardt)
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To: Bokababe
Kosovo has been in political limbo since 1999, when a U.S.-led bombing campaign drove out Serbian troops under President Slobodan Milosevic.

Boy Klinton really got us stuck in another VietNam.......

10 posted on 01/26/2007 9:22:50 AM PST by Ben Mugged (Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.)
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To: Long Island Pete

Clinton ordered it, Clinton & Blair rounded up a coalition of the unwilling, only to ultimately discover that there was no "genocide of Albanians" in Kosovo -- there was a Kosovo Albanian Seperatist group trying to steal land from Serbia and NATO was used as their military tool. The Serbs were never a threat to us or to Europe, they had been our ally through two World Wars.

This is what Clinton was screwing around with (besides Monica) while bin Laden was planning 9/11 !


11 posted on 01/26/2007 9:24:28 AM PST by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: rogator
How will we react in the future if an overwhelmingly Mexican population demands independence for AZ, CA, NM, and TX?

The same way Lincoln did when the southern states attempted to secede over states rights.

12 posted on 01/26/2007 9:24:49 AM PST by Ben Mugged (Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.)
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To: Bokababe

What's the exit strategy?


13 posted on 01/26/2007 9:30:09 AM PST by sono (There are only two exit strategies - One is victory, the other defeat - Joe Lieberman)
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To: Bokababe; Quix

Not good.

We took the land away from the Serbian Christians, who were then driven out, and now the invaders want "independence".

No wonder Russia is a bit miffed.


14 posted on 01/26/2007 9:31:13 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Ben Mugged

Love your tagline ;)


15 posted on 01/26/2007 9:33:18 AM PST by Shaun_MD (Blessed be the Lord my strength, which teaches my fingers to fight, and my hands to war.)
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To: Bokababe

I have never understood why the U.S. had to intervene in a situation that could have been handled by Europeans. I assume it's because the Democrats believe this was a good, humanitarian war - despite the fact that we had no national interest at stake. It's the wars in the Middle East, where we do have a national interest, that are the bad wars.


16 posted on 01/26/2007 9:42:25 AM PST by popdonnelly (Our first obligation is to keep the power of the Presidency out of the hands of the Clintons.)
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To: Bokababe; All

The "west" is missing how deeply culture is given prominence, even political prominence, in Russia and in much eastern Europe, on a par with what the west views as "left" and "right" political positions.

Current Russian support for Serbia reflects the east's unashamed cultural affinities and their unashamed defense of their native cultures, more than a continuation of the former "communist" linkages between Russia and Easten Europe.

It is only natural that the west would misunderstand this, about Russia and Eastern Europe, as it continues the left-inspired march to destroy its own culture, while it raises a political class that applauds that suicidal effort as a positive development.

Our political class cannot see the importance of culture to Russia and much of eastern Europe, as it's own political lens dismisses its own culture (long-term long-in-development roots of historic-ethnic-language-religious-philosophical values) as largely irrelevant.


17 posted on 01/26/2007 9:43:52 AM PST by Wuli
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To: rogator
How will we react in the future if an overwhelmingly Mexican population demands independence for AZ, CA, NM, and TX?

Offer them NJ. Take it or leave it.

18 posted on 01/26/2007 9:44:22 AM PST by Ramcat (Thank You American Veterans)
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To: Long Island Pete
Who ordered that attack and why was Kosovo such a threat to us? /s

Uh, lemme see now. Was it the, um....... pervert in chief? LOL

We should have fought on the side of the Christians and not the Muslims.

19 posted on 01/26/2007 9:47:11 AM PST by NRA2BFree
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To: NRA2BFree

How did congress vote on this? I don't remember.


20 posted on 01/26/2007 9:49:37 AM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: NRA2BFree

Kosovo Muslim Albanian extremists protest against an imminent U.N. proposal in the capital Pristina, January 22, 2007 by showing a Kosovo map and highlighting areas on it in red where Christians have not been expelled nor murdered yet. U.N. envoy Martti Ahtisaari is due to outline his proposal on the fate of Serbia's U.N.-run province to the six major powers steering Balkan diplomacy on Friday on Vienna. (Hazir Reka/Reuters)

21 posted on 01/26/2007 9:50:26 AM PST by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Long Island Pete

QUAGMIRE!!


22 posted on 01/26/2007 9:51:40 AM PST by Carl LaFong (Sugar from the Yucatan !)
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To: JamesP81
Kosovo should not be independent. Twenty years from now we will regret allowing this to happen.
23 posted on 01/26/2007 9:55:37 AM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: Bokababe
Kosovo Muslim Albanian extremists protest against an imminent U.N. proposal in the capital Pristina, January 22, 2007 by showing a Kosovo map and highlighting areas on it in red where Christians have not been expelled nor murdered yet. U.N. envoy Martti Ahtisaari is due to outline his proposal on the fate of Serbia's U.N.-run province to the six major powers steering Balkan diplomacy on Friday on Vienna. (Hazir Reka/Reuters)

Muslims are pure evil, just like DemonRATS are. I think Pastor Hagee was right when he said the gates of Hell opened and those demons spilled out all over the earth. Just like that, they're everywhere.

I saw a documentary about the children of Kosovo and it was so sad. They all had to leave because Muslims were raping and killing them. So many of them had lost their parents and families. It focused around one girl who had younger siblings to take care of, and they had to walk over 2 miles a day just to get water to drink. They had very little to eat. I never realized just how bad things really were in Kosovo until I watched that documentary. I felt so bad for them. How could Clinton fight with Muslims and not Christians? I'm telling you, there's a special place in hell reserved for that man.

24 posted on 01/26/2007 10:01:44 AM PST by NRA2BFree
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To: NRA2BFree

Many ancient Serbian Orthodox churches and monasteries have been destroyed.


25 posted on 01/26/2007 10:14:23 AM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: Bokababe
Meet Mr. Massacre (Kosovo)
26 posted on 01/26/2007 10:22:00 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Islam offers three choices: fight, submit, or die.)
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia

I do believe a lot sooner than that. Kosovo is already a heroin cartel run by the UCK...


27 posted on 01/26/2007 10:26:25 AM PST by Wraith (To have peace prepare for War.)
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To: redgolum

I think you are quite right.


28 posted on 01/26/2007 10:40:58 AM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Bokababe


We helped Kosovo and what did they give us? Terrorist attacks. :(


29 posted on 01/26/2007 10:48:35 AM PST by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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To: Carry_Okie

Great reminder, Carry. It also may tell us why Bush the son doesn't want to change course in Kosovo, because it might eventually out Walker and Daddy Bush's part in our South American adventures! Lets' not forget that George Bush Sr. used to be CIA Director.


30 posted on 01/26/2007 11:06:54 AM PST by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: sono
"What's the exit strategy?

The US, UN & NATO pack up, go home and let Serbia back in to defend its people and its territory. Or even, temporarily, help them to do it since we made the mess and should at least make a short-term effort to help clean it up.

31 posted on 01/26/2007 11:10:27 AM PST by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia
Many ancient Serbian Orthodox churches and monasteries have been destroyed.

But they were not part of the Religion of Peace.

32 posted on 01/26/2007 11:24:24 AM PST by A. Pole (Deng Xiaoping: "It doesn't matter whether the cat is black or white, as long as it catches mice.")
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To: Long Island Pete

You really want to know? You won't believe the answer and the real reasons for the Kosovo bombing.


33 posted on 01/26/2007 11:24:40 AM PST by Hostage
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To: Bokababe

You have the technicalities of the decisions but not the core reasons.


34 posted on 01/26/2007 11:25:36 AM PST by Hostage
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To: Hostage
You have the technicalities of the decisions but not the core reasons.

Clinton, Soros, coal, silver, and drug running? Then there's abetting autonomous Islamic jurisdictions in Europe.

Fun for everybody.

35 posted on 01/26/2007 1:05:26 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Islam offers three choices: fight, submit, or die.)
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To: Carry_Okie
No, none of that, it was Hillary and Albright. The behind the scenes account of these two and their hands in Kosovo have been described in detail years ago here on FR. Too bad we have to revisit the mess they created because her Highness is getting ready to crown herself.

Recall that in 1998 Hillary was in her full power as President of the President traveling in Africa with full regalia, an entourage so large and so expensive that even her sycophant's in the press could barely contain their disgust at the waste and extravagance. There was Hillary in Morocco in flowing garb and head wrap with Chelsea by her side while her man-boy subordinate was indulging young interns less than half his age in the Oval Office.

Then there was Hillary's hand-picked midget underling known as the US Secretary of State who had taken over the Balkan problem from Holbrooke and wanted to repeat for her Highness, and at the direction of her Highness, the success of Richard Holbrooke's partition of Yugoslavia, for what? To show a 'Strong Woman' would do better.

It was Hillary in Africa that ordered Albright to get Milosevich's signature on the Rambouillet accord agreement. That agreement meant losing Kosovo. Now understand that Kosovo is as sacred to Yugoslavia as Gettysburg is to the USA. No way were Serbs going to allow anyone to dictate to them to give up essentially the most important piece of their cultural heritage. No matter what you think of Milosevich (as Krauthammer characterized him "a bad guy in a very rough neighborhood filled with very bad guys"), he at least would not back down from Albright's ultimatum.

Now do you see the pattern? Remember Waco? Remember all the child abuse propaganda reported that was never proved? Remember the brutally harsh military tactics used in an enforcement action that required only that local sheriffs or Federal Marshals to hang out at a local grocery store to pick up Koresh on gun charges?

So in Kosovo the pattern repeated. Albright phoned Hillary in Africa saying "that man will not do what I tell him to do!". Telling that to her Highness is for her the most enraging thing that could be told to her as her entire life is about getting her heel on men, especially because in her view they are all the same as the man-boy that she married and that she used in her climb to power.

When Albright told Hillary the above, Hillary immediately telephoned her subordinate in the Oval Office and ordered him to bomb the Serbs back to the stone age "Bomb Them!". To form a pretext for her hideousness, Kaplan at CNN concocted the Balkan ethnic cleansing holocaust hyperbole.

And Milosevich was never found guilty because he was not guilty. Oh, he was bad alright but he never rose to the diabolical crimes of Hitler.

Hillary Clinton is as dangerous as megalomaniacs come. She must not be allowed anywhere near the Oval Office.
36 posted on 01/26/2007 3:18:16 PM PST by Hostage
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To: Hostage
No, none of that, it was Hillary and Albright.

What you cite here are symptoms, not causes.

Just whose interests do they serve? Power-mad politicians and idiot stooges like the Hildabeast and Albright don't do what they do for mere idealogy; they do it for power. Acquiring and holding power takes, as you would say, "cashola." That means somebody who's got it has to have reason to "donate." One of the reasons Soros is so committed to getting rid of GWB is that he was making buckets of money off the Democrats. He's got plans too, which is why he's the biggest landowner in South America. He and his buddies are maneuvering into controlling America's food market.

The power to regulate is the power to sell favors; it's the power to pick winners and losers in the marketplace. Socialism destroys wealth, and everybody knows it; so Democrats have to regulate in order to have something to sell. The only people committed to them are either dependents or those who have the cashola to call the shots.

The resource racketeering game has two sides: constraining domestic production and acquiring foreign assets on the cheap. Soros' favorite gambit is to do the latter after crashing the currency, but he's not above other means.

In the case of Kosovo, Soros was looking to corner the silver and coal production there and a war was very handy toward letting him pick up those assets for a song. As to the dope business, well, let's just say that it's a dandy reserve currency sink and it's better us than the Euro.

Now do you see the pattern?

Sigh. I already had seen the pattern, one that you apparently didn't investigate. Kosovo was typical Clintoid smash-mouth politics. Blowing the Chinese embassy was a real gem.

Kaplan at CNN concocted the Balkan ethnic cleansing holocaust hyperbole.

Oh he amplified it, but it was only after cousin Bill Walker had staged the material. Check out the link and the rest of the thread and remember Mark's first law of politics:

Nothing big and bad goes on for very long unless both sides are dirty.
37 posted on 01/26/2007 5:59:16 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Islam offers three choices: fight, submit, or die.)
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