Posted on 01/27/2007 8:42:25 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
(CBS) NEW YORK -- After all the hinting hemming and hawing about whether they are really in the race Hillary Clinton and Rudy Giuliani left no doubt in the minds of voters that they are serious about a presidential run in 2008.
"As a republican and I'm very, very optimistic that we're gonna turn this around and that we're gonna turn it around very, very quickly. Meaning this year, in time for 2008," said Giuliani-R , Former NYC Mayor at an engagement in New Hampshire.
And Senator Clinton confirmed her White House intentions in Iowa with her newly innovated slogan "I'm in it to win it."
"They're both in the race. Hillary has a much bigger organization set up. She's been raising money nationally longer," said political analyst Joseph Mercurio, about the man who was nicknamed America's Mayor after 9/11 and the senator who would be returning to the White House this time in the top job. "He's got a tremendous amount of name recognition nationally. He needs to set up a national organization before he's fully plunged into the race. But, undoubtedly he's running just as well as she is," he said.
So, what happens if it shakes out to be a Hillary versus Rudy battle for the white house in 08?
Mercurio says, "it would obviously good if one or the other of them won for New York City or the state how that plays in the rest of the country whether the New York image is a drag or not is a whole other conversation."
It's like saying: "You have freedom until you don't".
Did you see the post I put up above that someone sent to me tonight that he votes issues instead of candidates and doesn't care if he loses? Well I care if I lose because when I lose my votes Democrats win and when they win any issue on the social side I am for loses because they are DOA when Democrats control the Congress. How far do you think any social issue is going to get in today's Congress -- DOA!
I have more issues than national security but it is #1 today and for my Congressman or Senator I have a lot more. For President I support the Republican who has the best chance of winning and beating the Dem in November. If I agree with him 80% of the time, he is my candidate.
I would love to have a candidate that could win that would be the ultimate conservative on every issue but that is not going to happen and it is getting farther away thanks to the attitude I see on here of 'my way or no way' and then trash a person if you don't agree. Talking about running people out of the Republican Party because we don't meet your standards in who we support is ludicrous. Some of us have been voting since Nixon and working for Goldwater as teenagers shows how shortsighted some people are on here that think they can throw us out of the Party we helped grow.
Social conservatives like what I see on this thread are the reason we are having trouble because you wanted it all right away instead of increments and when you didn't get what they wanted, some threw temper tantrums and now blame Bush as I just read someone put up.
Why don't you all cool your jets for the evening and stop wanting to throw us off this board. This lifelong Republican is not going anywhere after spending years in the trenches electing good candidates who are conservative.
Brilliant.
Gore and Kerry as well. They're almost caricatures of themselves. It's almost as if the Dims didn't want to win.
I'm amazed at the extent of the self-delusion going on around here.
No vote of mine will ever be cast for Rudy McRomney. Get it? I will work against politicians who empower NARAL and Planned Barrenhood, destroy the traditional family, despise the Bill of Rights, undermine our national sovereignty, and lie to to the country, until my dying breath.
Let me say it again, just so there can be no mistake: If the Republican Party nominates Rudy Giuliani, the pact that has existed since Reagan will have been broken. Same goes for Romney and McCain. The Reagan GOP governing coalition will be finished, and so will the party of Lincoln.
The principles, and those who still hold them in their hearts and minds, will continue, only under some other banner.
And, if the country can survive it, after awhile, they will again defeat the Democrat Party AND the Democrat Party Lite that the GOP has become.
Sick.
I'll tell you what's sick. It's political people who only care about "winning," with no reference to whether it matters a lick when they do.
Clinton "won." Big flippin' deal.
My "wing" of the Republican Party wrote the Party Platform. You might want to go read it.
No, what's truly sick is that some people are so demented that their own political agenda is more important than their country.
That goes for both sick demented liberals and sick demented conservatives.
I hate both.
Your points are well taken. Honestly. However it is only on the Rudy threads that it becomes glaringly obvious the overall objections to his positions. You talk of being a good republican and beating the dims. Here in Florida Kathleen Harris had no GOP support but did well with what she had. The blame game is more than social conservatives. That seat was given to the dims and the Foley fiasco was the icing.
So, what's your solution? Support liberals, because they "can win," I take it.
"So, what's your solution? Support liberals, because they "can win," I take it."
No, that's not my solution at all.
My solution is to support the person I would want to be president in the primaries and work to get him nominated.
In the case of Rudy, if he turns out to be the nominee, I will work just as hard to get him elected because:
1. I love this country.
2. I despise the Psycho Whore.
3. I want Islamic Fascists DEAD.
4. I want strict constructionists on the SCOTUS.
5. I don't want another 9/11.
6. I used to be a lib but now I despise them.
I've been following your postings, you must have the patience of Job!
Why do so many have such a hard time understanding the wrongness of voting for someone who supports abortion?
Keep up the good work!
"The basic purpose of life is to prove ourselves, not to be with the majority when it is wrong."
- Ezra Taft Benson"The fight for freedom is God's fight. Freedom is an eternal law of God. Men cannot break it with impunity, but can only break themselves upon it. When a man stands for freedom, he stands for God. As long as he stands for freedom, he stands with God. And were he to stand alone, he would still stand with God. Any man will be eternally vindicated and rewarded for his stand for freedom."
- Ezra Taft Benson
Thanks.
So, um, sorry to repeat myself, but who are you actively working for?
Secretary Benson was a good and wise man.
Uhmm...no one. Yet.
Who are you working for?
I am working for the Republican Party, right down to my precinct. District meetings, County meetings, state caucuses, you name it.
I am supporting Rudy Giuliani with my very name because, for one, he has the most resolve and love for the rule of law than any other Washington-stained Republican currently seeking the office, and, unlike many RADONs who are obsessed with Giuliani threads on FR, I give the Mayor the intellectual alacrity to know that being Commander in Chief and Chief Executive of the USA isn't the equivalent of being mayor of our nation's largest city.
Not to mention his prosecutorial experience and, um, working for Ronald Reagan.
Unlike you, however (forgive me if I'm mistaken), I will vote for the Republican nominee, regardless. My own principles, even if compromised, are not going to be fulfilled by electing a Democrat.
Stop kidding yourself.
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