Look to mars for the truth on global warming (mini ice-ace predicted)

Financial Post ^ | Jan 26, 2007 | Lawrence Soloman

[caveat emptor]

Look to Mars for the truth on global warming

...."It is no secret that increased solar irradiance warms Earth's oceans, which then triggers the emission of large amounts of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. So the common view that man's industrial activity is a deciding factor in global warming has emerged from a misinterpretation of cause and effect relations."

Dr. Abdussamatov goes further, debunking the very notion of a greenhouse effect. "Ascribing 'greenhouse' effect properties to the Earth's atmosphere is not scientifically substantiated," he maintains. "Heated greenhouse gases, which become lighter as a result of expansion, ascend to the atmosphere only to give the absorbed heat away.".....

[caveat emptor]

Saint Petersburg's Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory is one of the world's best equipped observatories and has been since its founding in 1839. Dr. Abdussamatov is head of Pulkovo's space research laboratory, and is one of the world's chief critics of the theory that man-made carbon dioxide emissions create a greenhouse effect, leading to global warming.

The real news from Saint Petersburg -- demonstrated by cooling that is occurring on the upper layers of the world's oceans -- is that Earth has hit its temperature ceiling. Solar irradiance has begun to fall, ushering in a protracted cooling period beginning in 2012 to 2015. The depth of the decline in solar irradiance reaching Earth will occur around 2040, and "will inevitably lead to a deep freeze around 2055-60" lasting some 50 years, after which temperatures will go up again.

Because of the scientific significance of this period of global cooling that we're about to enter, the Russian and Ukrainian space agencies, under Dr. Abdussamatov's leadership, have launched a joint project to determine the time and extent of the global cooling at mid-century. The project, dubbed Astrometry and given priority space-experiment status on the Russian portion of the International Space Station, will marshal the resources of spacecraft manufacturer Energia, several Russian research and production centers, and the main observatory of Ukraine's Academy of Sciences. By late next year, scientific equipment will have been installed in a space-station module and by early 2009, Dr. Abdussamatov's space team will be conducting a regular survey of the sun.

This is a welcome relief from the usual global warming BS. This guy makes some actual predictions (in contrast to "scenarios", hysteria, and smears), and has plans to test them. It remains to be seen if the Russians will be able to do some objective science. Read the whole thing . There is a Mars connection.

[neverdem]

bfl

[gcruse]

""It is no secret that increased solar irradiance warms Earth's oceans, which then triggers the emission of large amounts of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.'

Warmer seawater equals more CO2 in the atmosphere? Evaporation isn't a CO2 transporter, so what's up with that?

[lostlakehiker]

The usual global warming BS isn't all BS. We ARE putting a lot of CO2 into the atmosphere. It isn't a coincidence that we burn coal and oil, and carbon + oxygen yields CO2, and ta-dah, more CO2 in the air.

The sun isn't getting that much hotter on the time scale of a century or so. And we do have ways to measure it. Increased solar output doesn't begin to explain the climate change we're seeing.

[mc6809e]

Warmer seawater equals more CO2 in the atmosphere? Evaporation isn't a CO2 transporter, so what's up with that? The amount of gas dissolved in the water descreases with increases in temperature.

[Grizzled Bear]

Increased solar output doesn't begin to explain the climate change we're seeing.
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And therefore every planet in our solar system has experienced an increase in temperature.

lostlakehiker will now explain how...

Dude; your on. Preach it Bro...

[raftguide]

"emission of large amounts of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere."

If I shine equal amounts of sunlight through a large, clear container of O2, and another of pure CO2, will the temperatures registered on the distal side be the same for both containers or will the CO2 container register a higher temp?

[gcruse]

Ah, okay. Thanks.

[gcruse]

I don't even know what distal means.

[raftguide]

The other side, opposite from where the sun is shining in. In other words, after the sun exits the gas, will the temps be the same or different. Will the type of gas--O2 or CO2-- make any difference. There seems to be an assumption that CO2 warms the atmosphere, I'm just wondering what an experiment would prove?

[Toddsterpatriot]

CO2 absorbs infrared wavelengths.

[Bittersweetmd]

ping

[neverdem]

Warmer seawater equals more CO2 in the atmosphere? Evaporation isn't a CO2 transporter, so what's up with that?

Inorganic carbon and alkalinity CO2 in atmosphere

Presently 350 ppm and increasing

greenhouse gas along with methane

increasing with fossil fuel combustion

Solubility in water

disproportionately represented in water because of high solubility

less soluble at higher temperatures

[raftguide]

OK. Thanks! Answers my question.

[cpdiii]

Warmer seawater equals more CO2 in the atmosphere? Evaporation isn't a CO2 transporter, so what's up with that?

Colder water can contain more CO2 than warm water. Put a can of Coke in hot water and then open it up, you will then understand.

[Pikachu_Dad]

The sun isn't getting that much hotter on the time scale of a century or so. And we do have ways to measure it. Increased solar output doesn't begin to explain the climate change we're seeing.

Actually, increased solar output does explain the climate change. Go look at the data.

[ApplegateRanch]

The amount of gas dissolved in the water descreases with increases in temperature.

True.

Maybe he means warmer water gives more marine life, [and increased cold blooded metabolic rates] giving a net increase in CO^2 released to the atmosphere?

OTOH, wouldn't one expect that increase to include marine plant life as well, sucking up a lot of the 'extra' CO^2?

[caveat emptor]

The sun isn't getting that much hotter on the time scale of a century or so...... Increased solar output doesn't begin to explain the climate change we're seeing.

You could be right. But you should read the article. That's what Abdussamatov's investigating.

[Laserman]

"The usual global warming BS isn't all BS. We ARE putting a lot of CO2 into the atmosphere. It isn't a coincidence that we burn coal and oil, and carbon + oxygen yields CO2, and ta-dah, more CO2 in the air.

The sun isn't getting that much hotter on the time scale of a century or so. And we do have ways to measure it. Increased solar output doesn't begin to explain the climate change we're seeing."

I read extensively on this subject and the only thing you said I agree with is that man has added CO2 to the atmosphere.

The sun IS getting hotter and it does explain the increasing temperatures on Earth, just as it does the increasing temperatures on other planets. The important solar output is not just in the optical bands, but also in atomic particles and other carriers of energy.

AS the Russian points out, the case for CO2, or other gases acting as a "greenhouse" blanket to the Earth's atmosphere is not established. During past Ice Ages the CO2 levels were even higher than we have now. Hmmmm.... And during warm periods CO2 levels were lower. Hmmm.....

The two things I can state with certainty are that first the models being used to predict "global warming" are simplistic compared to the reality of the global ecosystem, and second that researchers are more concerned about getting their next grant check than about being accurate. Their principles are being "bought" by a politically motivated support structure.

[Buckhead]

Have a look at this: The Acquittal of CO2. http://www.rocketscientistsjournal.com/2006/10/co2_acquittal.html

Does the math to show the direct relationship between ocean temperatures and CO2 levels in paleoclimate data and to explain the mechanism that causes this to occur. Shows the solubility of CO2 in water according to temperature tracks observed CO2 levels. It further remarks on the well known fact that in paleoclimate data temperature increases *preceded* increases in CO2 by 800-1200 years. Repeatedly. CO2 is a result, not a cause of global warming.

See also http://ff.org/centers/csspp/pdf/20061121_gore.pdf, which reviews the same point and cites multiple corroborating sources of data for CO2 lagging temperature in paleoclimate records.