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Rudy on gun control: "You've got to REGULATE consistent with the Second Amendment"
FOX News ^ | Feb 6, 2007 | Hanity and Colmes

Posted on 02/07/2007 2:40:44 PM PST by Jim Robinson

HANNITY: Let me move on. And the issue of guns has come up a lot. When people talk about Mayor Giuliani, New York City had some of the toughest gun laws in the entire country. Do you support the right of people to carry handguns?

GIULIANI: I understand the Second Amendment. I support it. People have the right to bear arms. When I was mayor of New York, I took over at a very, very difficult time. We were averaging about 2,000 murders a year, 10,000...

HANNITY: You inherited those laws, the gun laws in New York?

GIULIANI: Yes, and I used them. I used them to help bring down homicide. We reduced homicide, I think, by 65-70 percent. And some of it was by taking guns out of the streets of New York City.

So if you're talking about a city like New York, a densely populated area like New York, I think it's appropriate. You might have different laws other places, and maybe a lot of this gets resolved based on different states, different communities making decisions. After all, we do have a federal system of government in which you have the ability to accomplish that.

HANNITY: So you would support the state's rights to choose on specific gun laws?

GIULIANI: Yes, I mean, a place like New York that is densely populated, or maybe a place that is experiencing a serious crime problem, like a few cities are now, kind of coming back, thank goodness not New York, but some other cities, maybe you have one solution there and in another place, more rural, more suburban, other issues, you have a different set of rules.

HANNITY: But generally speaking, do you think it's acceptable if citizens have the right to carry a handgun?

GIULIANI: It's not only -- I mean, it's part of the Constitution. People have the right to bear arms. Then the restrictions of it have to be reasonable and sensible. You can't just remove that right. You've got to regulate, consistent with the Second Amendment.

HANNITY: How do you feel about the Brady bill and assault ban?

GIULIANI: I was in favor of that as part of the crime bill. I was in favor of it because I thought that it was necessary both to get the crime bill passed and also necessary with the 2,000 murders or so that we were looking at, 1,800, 1,900, to 2,000 murders, that I could use that in a tactical way to reduce crime. And I did.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; bang; banglist; electionpresident; elections; giulian; giuliani; gop; guncontrol; leo; regulatethis; republicans; rkba; rudygiulian; rudyonguns; rudytranscript; voteduncanhunter
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He wants to REGULATE away your right to keep and bear arms.

He says he understands the constitution and the second amendment and knows that the right to bear arms is constitutional, and that he can't just TAKE AWAY our rights, so he feels he CAN and MUST REGULATE them away.

"The restrictions of it have to be reasonable and sensible." Reasonable and sensible restrictions? Restrictions are infringement!

What part of the people's right to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED does he NOT understand?

REGULATE AWAY THE RKBA? NOT ON MY WATCH!!

1 posted on 02/07/2007 2:40:53 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

BANG!


2 posted on 02/07/2007 2:42:34 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: Jim Robinson

Amen!


3 posted on 02/07/2007 2:43:05 PM PST by TommyDale (If we don't put a stop to this global warming, we will all be dead in 10,000 years!)
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To: Jet Jaguar
What part of the people's right to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED does he NOT understand?

Apparently he fails to understand only the part that is in English. More reason for us to insist on English as the official language of the U.S.

4 posted on 02/07/2007 2:45:13 PM PST by VRWCmember (Everyone is entitled to my opinion.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Dear Rudy:
I own several rifles, nine shotguns and many pistols. Which of these do you plan to allow me to keep ?
5 posted on 02/07/2007 2:45:39 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I'm not a one issue voter, but the second amendment is one of several good litmus tests.

Does the candidate fear armed citizens? If so, why?

Should citizens rights be limited by what criminals 'might' do?

Does the candidate recognize that he is a citizen just like the rest of us, or is he a 'special case' that needs more protection than the rest of us?


6 posted on 02/07/2007 2:45:48 PM PST by rbookward (When 900 years old you are, type as well you will not!)
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To: Jim Robinson
I listened to that H&C interview, and that was the most weaselly reply of the bunch. Total obfuscation.
7 posted on 02/07/2007 2:45:52 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: Jim Robinson

9mm bump


8 posted on 02/07/2007 2:46:14 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: Jim Robinson

He's "electable", that's all that matters around here.


9 posted on 02/07/2007 2:46:20 PM PST by MichiganConservative (If you don't like rape, then don't rape anyone. Don't force your morals on others!)
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To: Jim Robinson

You make me proud Jim!

BTW, that was taken at the "Support the Troops" rally in Crawford Texas. I was very hot that day.

10 posted on 02/07/2007 2:46:45 PM PST by lormand (Michael Wiener - the tough talking populist moron, who thinks he is a Conservative)
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To: Jim Robinson
HANNITY: You inherited those laws, the gun laws in New York?

What I found most pathetic about this interview was that Hannity was supposed to be asking the questions, but in many of them he ended up answering them for Rudy Giuliani in the course of asking them. This occurred quite a few times over the course of the interview.

11 posted on 02/07/2007 2:46:54 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Jim Robinson

I heard it and wondered when somebody would get the transcript and post it.

Disgusting isn't it?


12 posted on 02/07/2007 2:47:37 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Jim Robinson

Not on mine, either.

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http://www.truthusa.com/2ndAmendment.html


13 posted on 02/07/2007 2:47:58 PM PST by Cindy
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Yes, I mean, a place like New York that is densely populated, or maybe a place that is experiencing a serious crime problem,

He just doesn't get it. The best way to solve a "crime problem" is to leave the crooks wondering who is armed and who is not. It does wonders to reduce rapes, assaults, and break-ins.

14 posted on 02/07/2007 2:48:51 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (When toilet paper is a luxury, you have achieved communism.)
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To: MichiganConservative
I remembered today how he backed Mario Cuomo against Pataki in NY a while back.

He blatantly backed one of the most liberal individuals in American politics.

15 posted on 02/07/2007 2:49:16 PM PST by lormand (Michael Wiener - the tough talking populist moron, who thinks he is a Conservative)
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To: Jim Robinson
Rudy is an ex-prosecutor. A tough as nails, no-quarter-given prosecutor.

If only Giuliani supporters would keep that fact in mind when they listen to him talk about gun control. He will NOT be a laissez-faire chief law enforcement officer when it comes to gun control. He will be aggressive and hands-on. Big city prosecutors despise guns and distrust ordinary citizens who have them.

When Giuliani says he won't take guns away, he'll just regulate them, it is akin to a criminal informing you he won't kill you, he'll just beat you so severely you'll wish you were dead.

16 posted on 02/07/2007 2:49:48 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: Alberta's Child
What I found most pathetic about this interview was that Hannity...

Hannity is a sycophant who will kiss-ass to any person with name recognition that will stop to tell him off. However, his interview with Mary Carey still makes me laugh.


17 posted on 02/07/2007 2:50:32 PM PST by MichiganConservative (If you don't like rape, then don't rape anyone. Don't force your morals on others!)
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To: MichiganConservative
Paraphasing Ann Coulter:

Don't vote for the Republican candidate in the primary just because he is electable. Electable got us Gerald Ford! Electable got us Bob Dole! Vote for the right-wing kook. That's RONALD REAGAN!!

And I might add, electable got us Arnie. It's not working for California and it won't work for America!

18 posted on 02/07/2007 2:50:53 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
Hopefully the mods won't mind but I believe the quotes here are very relevant to the topic at hand. ;)

The cards below are for the single-issue voters* to use against the argument that rudy isn't a gun grabber:



*Single issue voter: In this case, people who believe in that pesky little thing called the bill of rights and refuse to compromise their principles for personalities.
19 posted on 02/07/2007 2:50:55 PM PST by flashbunny (<---------- Hate RINOs? Click my name for 2008 GOP RINO collector cards.)
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To: lormand

Woo hoo!! LOL


20 posted on 02/07/2007 2:51:24 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

Hmm - "shall not be infringed" sounds reasonable and sensible enough to me. Rudy seems to have a little reading comprehension problem with respect to the Constitution. A lot of legislators seem to have a similar problem - to them the purpose of government is to regulate the citizen and law is simply a means of effecting this process. It's a matter of perspective - to a stable boy the world is a stable full of crap. The problem is that the legislator wants us all to live in his.


21 posted on 02/07/2007 2:51:54 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Jim Robinson
Too late... see link....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1780023/posts

February 12 deadline to turn in or remove shotguns and others from Cook County, Ill

Best regards,

22 posted on 02/07/2007 2:52:28 PM PST by Copernicus (A Constitutional Republic revolves around Sovereign Citizens, not citizens around government.)
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To: doorgunner69

I was OK with his abortion reply, and war on terror stuff. His gun stance is unacceptable and his border control stance only slightly less so.


23 posted on 02/07/2007 2:52:58 PM PST by RockinRight (What I want in '08: Gingrich's politics, Reagan's appeal, and Tancredo's immigration stance.)
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To: rbookward
In ancient Greece and Rome any good ruler would spurn security of any type. Caesar refused to have a bodyguard because only a tyrant would fear his subjects.
I still feel no elected official should ever be let out of rifle range.
24 posted on 02/07/2007 2:53:11 PM PST by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, ATF and DEA)
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To: Jim Robinson
Guiliani was laughable. He lied about what the 2nd Amendment said in the hopes that most people don't know it.

He claimed that the 2nd Amendment says that people have the right to bear arms. No, it doesn't. It says that Congress shall not infringe upon that right. "Reasonable restrictions" is an oxymoron when it comes to guns. The 2nd Amendment bans all restrictions.

People have got to remember that the Bill of Rights is misnamed. It is the Bill of Prohibitions on Congressional Infringement. We already have every right the Constitution doesn't deny us, thanks to the 10th Amendment and other clauses.
25 posted on 02/07/2007 2:53:14 PM PST by TeenagedConservative
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To: Jim Robinson

Rudy's stance on the Second Amendment is the primary reason I will never cast my vote for him. Gun control (AWB, ammo taxes, "arsenal licenses," .50 cal ban, "Sniper Weapon (scoped rifle) Ban, et ecetera ad nauseum)is more likely to get passed in a Rudy presidency than a Hillary one because I think the Senate and House Dims will show more restraint on gun control legislation for Hilliary than Rudy.

Dims know that if Rudy is steady signing gun bans and such, the Republican base will be eroded for many years, possibly decades. On the other hand, even the dims understand that if a dim-Senate and a dim-House pass the AWB and other gun laws and these laws are signed by Hilliary, the dims will likely lose the House, Senate, and Presidency next election cycle.


26 posted on 02/07/2007 2:53:54 PM PST by Cruz
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To: Jim Robinson

So, here I am back at Duncan Hunter?


27 posted on 02/07/2007 2:53:57 PM PST by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody want a peanut.....)
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To: Jim Robinson
REGULATE AWAY THE RKBA? NOT ON MY WATCH!!

If the Dems were to pass legislation that put severe restrictions on handgun ownership and/or concealed carry, could we trust Rudy to veto it?

I sincerely doubt it. He has expressed glowing support for such laws in the past.

28 posted on 02/07/2007 2:54:07 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: Jim Robinson

Gee, Chrissy Matthews of Hardball likes him. Makes me want to go out and vote for him. NOT! (From an appearance on Imus)

"Matthews, the fast-talking and brash host of the popular MSNBC show "Hardball,” was praising former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani’s 2008 candidacy when he went on a rant about "city guys” like Giuliani versus the "southerners,” such as President George W. Bush, who run for national office"


29 posted on 02/07/2007 2:54:10 PM PST by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: Jim Robinson

If it had been anyone else posting this, Jim, they'd be clobbered by the Gulianiacs. Thanks for posting this. (Bookmarked)


30 posted on 02/07/2007 2:54:21 PM PST by OB1kNOb (This is no time for bleeding hearts, pacifists, and appeasers to prevail in free world opinion.)
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Reasonable and sensible restrictions? Restrictions are infringement!

So you think seven year olds, the mentally ill, the severely retarded, and convicted felons ought to be able legally own and carry a firearm? Do you believe a business has the right to prohit anyone carrying a firearm from entering their premises? How about a church or government office?

31 posted on 02/07/2007 2:54:36 PM PST by Dave S
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To: Jim Robinson

Molon Labe, Rudy.


32 posted on 02/07/2007 2:54:50 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (Carry Daily. Apply Sparingly.)
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To: doorgunner69
I listened to that H&C interview, and that was the most weaselly reply of the bunch. Total obfuscation.

Obfuscation.

A five dollar word for lying. And he was doing a lot of it.
33 posted on 02/07/2007 2:54:55 PM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedanism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: MichiganConservative; Alberta's Child
Hannity is a sycophant who will kiss-ass to any person with name recognition that will stop to tell him off. However, his interview with Mary Carey still makes me laugh.

I bet Howard Stern probably had a more interesting interview with Mary Carey.

34 posted on 02/07/2007 2:55:47 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: Jim Robinson

if it was between Rudy and Shrillary, I think,,, I think,,, I think,,,I think,,, I guess,,,, life just isn't fair!


35 posted on 02/07/2007 2:56:10 PM PST by freemike
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To: TeenagedConservative

Great points!


36 posted on 02/07/2007 2:56:11 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

Full agreement here.


37 posted on 02/07/2007 2:56:16 PM PST by B Knotts (Newt '08!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Rudy is a poseur, plain and simple.


38 posted on 02/07/2007 2:56:25 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Jim Robinson

The NSSF blasted Rudy yesterday and I'm sure the NRA is not far behind. Once the "purist single issue" voters merge in opposition I think Mr. mayor not win the nomination. Duncan Hunter 2008!


39 posted on 02/07/2007 2:56:27 PM PST by beltfed308 (Democrats :Tough on Taxpayers, Soft on Terrorism)
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To: Jim Robinson

But, but, you'll end up with Hillary.


40 posted on 02/07/2007 2:56:31 PM PST by Rb ver. 2.0 (A Muslim soldier can never be loyal to a non-Muslim commander.)
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To: Cruz

Where are all of the Rudybots? Hahahah


41 posted on 02/07/2007 2:57:08 PM PST by Coldwater Creek (The TERRORIST are the ones who won the midterm elections!)
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To: freemike

It's like choosing between being buried up to your chin in cow dung, or strapped to a hill of fire ants.

I'll leave it to the reader to decide which is which.


42 posted on 02/07/2007 2:57:22 PM PST by flashbunny (<---------- Hate RINOs? Click my name for 2008 GOP RINO collector cards.)
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To: Copernicus
February 12 deadline to turn in or remove shotguns and others from Cook County, Ill
43 posted on 02/07/2007 2:57:39 PM PST by spunkets
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To: Dave S

An armed society is a polite society.


44 posted on 02/07/2007 2:57:39 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

Rudy seems to be trying to open the door for the left's arguments on the Second Amendment.

In my opinion he is wrong.

The second amendment is NOT there to establish the government's power to "regulate" -- it is there to make clear that the government does NOT have that power.


45 posted on 02/07/2007 2:57:56 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: Jim Robinson
"HANNITY: How do you feel about the Brady bill and assault ban?

GIULIANI: I was in favor of that as part of the crime bill. I was in favor of it because I thought that it was necessary both to get the crime bill passed and also necessary with the 2,000 murders or so that we were looking at, 1,800, 1,900, to 2,000 murders, that I could use that in a tactical way to reduce crime. And I did."

Umm, didn't Rudy inherit a city with some of the strictest gun laws in the nation? Weren't "assault rifles" (gross misnomer) and most other firearms banned in the city? So how would any of the Brady laws reduce the annual killings in NYC.

And if he thinks "well-regulated" in the 2nd Amendment meant "legislated against" to the Founding Fathers, he must think, as McCain did, that the right of the "people" to a free press and free speech refers to the government's ability to legislate against airing our views right before an election.

Pretty lame, Rudy. Pretty lame.
46 posted on 02/07/2007 2:58:12 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: flashbunny
Great collector cards! Where can I get the complete set?

(Laughing until tears come to my eyes!)

Best regards,

47 posted on 02/07/2007 2:58:14 PM PST by Copernicus (A Constitutional Republic revolves around Sovereign Citizens, not citizens around government.)
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To: Jim Robinson

He better not take away my right to protect my family.


48 posted on 02/07/2007 2:58:24 PM PST by shoebooty
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To: ElkGroveDan

Yep.

I grew up in Seattle, where crime is rampant.

When I moved to Wyoming there was hardly any crime and still with an influx of folks moving here, we still have VERY few home break ins.

Thats because nearly everyone is armed to the teeth. Noone wants to enter a house and get shot!

Funny how that works isnt it?


49 posted on 02/07/2007 2:58:34 PM PST by OMalley (Hi Mom:) Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: Jim Robinson

Yes...we all remember the flame-fests here over the recall...and the pragmatists won out...to what end?

Schwarzenegger has turned out to be more liberal than Gray Davis.

When we abandon our principles for power, we ultimately end up with neither.


50 posted on 02/07/2007 2:58:40 PM PST by B Knotts (Newt '08!)
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