Cuyahoga Co. To Allow Organ Harvest Before Brain Death (Ohio)

News Net 5 (Cleveland) ^ | February 10, 2007 | not specified

[meyer]

Bill Mason, the crooked prosecutor that sold Parma down the river in federal court for a promotion to the county? That Bill Mason?

The way I see it, once the government really gets control of health insurance, it will be to their fiscal advantage to harvest organs from more people so as to reduce health care costs.

[darkangel82]

Sounds rather Nazi, doesn't it?

[meyer]

Sounds rather Nazi, doesn't it?

I expect nothing less from that National Socialist party (AKA the democRATS) of Cuyahoga County. These are the same people that keep re-electing Kucinich.

[right-wingin_It]

...I agree with the "slippery slope" comment: what is next? Using bits of the arms and legs of parapalegics because they don't need them anymore?

Speaking about using the bits of arms and legs..Why not? Thats what they do here in the U.S. with aboted babies, circumventing the law agains the sale of fetal tissue, through a loophole that involves licence fees etc.

[darkangel82]

Yep. No different from when I lived there in the 80s and 90s.

[Ethrane]

This is a very poorly worded article, and entirely too brief to explain what is occurring....

If the 'heart stops working' the brain is sure to follow (in about 45 seconds after cardiac arrest), that is pretty quick. And, if the heart 'stops working', then the only way to ensure organ viability would be to artificially restore the circulation, say with some sort of cardiopulmonary bypass or ventricular assist device. I wonder if this is the 'complicated procedure' they are referring to?

I'm not so sure this is as ominous as many are making it out to be...but without more information, it's hard to say.

[freekitty]

You got that right.

[Theodore R.]

It seems like healthy people everywhere are all for euthanasia.

[ErnBatavia]

Well said....bullseye.

[gondramB]

Doctors have a financial incentive for transplants.
Hospitals have a financial incentive for transplants.

The rest of us want readily available medical care without super-inflated costs.

Solution: Allow the estates of voluntary organ donors to be paid. Then you'd have all the legitimate organ donors you'd need and with the artificial scarcity removed the costs would drop. There would be no need to kill patients for their organs - there would be plenty of donors.

Oddly, doctors and hospitals oppose any payments to families.

Strange, isn't it?

[Ethrane]

Strange, isn't it?

Not really...

At least not half as strange as your comments.

Beside the fact that you insinuate that the medical profession is wholly unethical, who else in the US works for no financial incentive...

Should transplant teams, physicians and hospital facilities be expected to operate at a moments notice for nothing?

[Dr.Zoidberg]

And doctor attempts to take organs from a family member or loved one before they are well and truly dead (And without their express permission), they will be prime candidates for donation themselves.

You want to carve someone up before they are dead, think of the immediate and personal consequences that could befall you.

Some of us won't sit still for this kind of evil.

[gondramB]

>>Not really...

At least not half as strange as your comments.

Beside the fact that you insinuate that the medical profession is wholly unethical, who else in the US works for no financial incentive...

Should transplant teams, physicians and hospital facilities be expected to operate at a moments notice for nothing?<<

I don't think our points are that different. Financial incentive is the great motivator of capitalist societies. I certainly don't think doctors or hospitals should work for free - nor do I want the government regulating prices for doctors or hospitals.

I do think it is strange that the AMA understands financial incentive so well for those doing the transplant but opposes even small payments to the donor's family. This creates artificial scarcity.

And yes, I know the AMA voted to support a study to see whether payments would ease the shortage. If they actually change their position and their lobbying pressure on the various bills to change the 1984 law, I promise to admit I was wrong about them.

[thiscouldbemoreconfusing]

Cuyahoga County prosecutors for the past decade have clashed with the LifeBanc over removing organs after cardiac death. At one point they threatened homicide charges. Now that makes sense to me. But Prosecutor Bill Mason has written a legal opinion endorsing a revised procedure that does not include use of a blood thinning drug that prosecutors believed would hasten death. This makes no sense to me.

[Constitution1st]

I can take them to the grave with me, which is where they will go and where they belong, in my opinion.

[Constitution1st]

Ooops! I think you meant the "greater good". America would do things for the common good, but not the greater good, which is what communists do things for.

[Friend_from_the_Frozen_North]

What about people who are suicidal? If they're standing there on the parapet of a building or the rail of a bridge and are thinking of killing themselves anyway.

And of course, there's the legislator that wants to fine people in New York for walking across the street while using an iPod or some other electronic device - why not harvest their organs?

With tongue firmly planted in cheek... (SARCASM!!!)

[Old_Mil]

Grrrr...

We just had a battle in our state medical society over this. A transplant team wanted to change the procedure to certify death to make it easier to get at organs. These transplant surgeons are too pushy for a patient's own good. Seeing their behavior has made me revoke my organ donor status and I recommend you do the same.

[WKB]

What about people who are suicidal?



Just hope they don't harm any vital organs.