Gilliani is Best GOP Hope in Florida (Beats HRC In Head to Head Matchup for Sunshine State)

Angus Reid Global Monitor ^ | 2.12.07 | Quinnipiac University Polling Institute

[beltfed308]

Rudy Giuliani (R) 47% - 44% Hillary Rodham Clinton (R) John McCain (R) 43% - 47%

Looks like hillary is a conservative republican now too.

[dirtboy]

And those PBA bans passing, or not passing, had a huge impact on whether/how many abortions take place.

That's a new one. Have to add that to the Rudy booster talking point compendium that I'm compiling.

So having shot down the bogus claim that the president can't do anything to stop abortions, you turn around and belittle the fact that fully-formed children are no longer ripped apart.

More depravity from the Rudy boosters.

[Dr. Frank fan]

There is already an active movement among many of us prepared to back a Third Party candidate if Rudy wins the nod.

Translation: there is an active movement among many of you to help Hillary Clinton become President if Rudy wins the nod.

[eyedigress]

Boortz?

[dirtboy]

That's not good enough for some Freepers. They want PURITY.

Rudy standard talking point #5. His opponents demand purity (this one is a close relative to Rudy talking point #4, that opponents are single-issue voters).

If only Rudy had one or two variances from core conservative values. Sorry, but he has at least six, and the list keeps growing. He's pro-choice. Pro-gun-control. Pro-amnesty. Pro-gay rights. Pro-CFR. And new to the list, pro-global warming.

[pgyanke]

Easy solution to the problem you propose... support the most-conservative candidate for the GOP! Liberals will crawl over broken glass to vote for the candidate with the (D) by their name. Moving left won't peal off liberals from the (D), it will alienate conservatives and ensure a GOP loss.

The best way to win the fight for the "moderate" swing voter is to have the best and strongest message. If that message is socialism, then we've lost anyway. Having both primary candidates for president espousing socialism to get the middle... means there is no victory to be had.

Why is this so hard for our GOP "leadership" to understand?

[meg88]

I'd go for that too :)

[dirtboy]

Translation: there is an active movement among many of you to help Hillary Clinton become President if Rudy wins the nod.

Rudy talking point #11. Being opposed to Rudy means opponents want Hillary to win.

The myopia of the GOP leadership to historical patterns of GOP wins and losses is stunning. If the GOP runs center-right, they win. If they drift leftwards, they lose. Rudy is not a drift leftward, he is a hard turn to port.

[George W. Bush]

Another day, another meaningless name recognition poll.

The silly season started at least six months early this cycle in both parties. People are going to get very tired of it. I know I already am.

[Dr. Frank fan]

Dude... that's what we're doing. And, by the way, we're getting called traitorous names for doing so...

That's because many people here are not merely "working against him in the primaries", but threatening/promising that they would vote against him in the general election if he won the nomination.

This is either (1) completely stupid, or (2) a total bluff, a metaphorical "suicide threat", an attempt at a circular, bootstrapped argument against Giuliani in the primaries ("you better not vote for him now because, um, if you do I'll throw the election to Hillary"), invented by people who have no real argument against him.

In either case the people saying this deserve to have their arguments shot down and scorn heaped upon them. Whether the shoe fits you is for you to say.

[Constitution Day]

That is driving me CRAZY!

I have seen:

Guilani
Guiliani
Gilliani

I'm starting to think that this man has a problem like Col. Muammar Kaddafi/Qaddafi/Qadhafi/Khadafy.

[TitansAFC]

Newt would be my first choice. And he would beat Hitlery. He might not beat a charming John Edwards type, but he would beat Hillary.

In this same poll, among actual Republicans (and those most likely to vote in the primary) it's Rudy 33%-Newt 22%.

Nobody saw the whole Riordan thing, either.

[Dr. Frank fan]

So having shot down the bogus claim that the president can't do anything to stop abortions, you turn around and belittle the fact that fully-formed children are no longer ripped apart.

I'm just asking for a source to back up your implicit assertion.

# of PBAs/yr occurring before the PBA ban = ?

# of PBAs/yr occurring after the PBA ban = ?

You have no such data. Right?

[George W. Bush]

My ding-dong isn't as big as I wish it were, but I'm not going to cut it off.

If you'll post your email address here, I can email you some info on how to fix that problem. And some info on great ways to make money in Nigeria.

[ConservativeStatement]

By HRC, do you mean Her Royal Crudeness?

[Dr. Frank fan]

Sorry, but he has at least six, and the list keeps growing. He's pro-choice. Pro-gun-control. Pro-amnesty. Pro-gay rights. Pro-CFR. And new to the list, pro-global warming.

Therefore, it's better if Hillary Clinton serves as U.S. President from 2009-2016.

?

[william clark]

And if, as I suspect, Richardson eventually emerges as the Dem nominee, Rudy will be buried by the Hispanic turnout.

[dirtboy]

You have no such data. Right?

Stock talking point - demand numbers that aren't available. The ban is recent enough that we don't have numbers for post ban PBAs.

The key point is that a barbaric and horrific practice has been halted.

[redgolum]

If this is all just about beating Hillary here is one way to do it.

Have Rudy keep all of his current views, and come out against the War on Terror. That would push a lot of the supposed mushy middle to him.

[Dr. Frank fan]

Being opposed to Rudy means opponents want Hillary to win.

No. It means (if they oppose him in the general election) they will help her win, de facto. Of course they may not "want" this predictable outcome of their actions, which just means they are in denial.